Purina files lawsuit against Blue Buffalo

[mygirlHalo]

I respect everyone's opinions, beliefs and ideas. What I don't understand is why someone is so wrong when they have a different idea or opinion ?!!? That makes them wrong ?

[107barney]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Every pup in my home is on one of these foods: Hill's Science Diet .. either Ideal Balance or Rx foods, Royal Canin RX foods, Purina RX foods or home cooked. While some of you would probably say the foods made the sick dogs sick, I can tell you that the sick dogs are doing well because of the food.

As for your comments about Purina, I respectfully disagree with some of you. You are reading ingredients as if you are vet nutritionists. We are all lay people and not vet nutritionists...many, I believe have been brain washed by the marketing ploys by the holistic companies and also the human dentist who professes to be an expert in dog nutrition. My Olivia was diagnosed with PLN in Oct. 2012 and she has been on Purina NF since that time and is doing very well. I did a consult with a vet nutritionist. I have consulted with her for a few and they are all doing very well on their diets/foods.

My Olivia is around 12 years of age....here are some pictures of her. Don't tell me that Purina is poison!

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About all I can say about this! Just sharing my experience.

Olivia looks great. Like a baby. I have no problems with Purina. I do have a problem with the dog food advisor.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo

I respect everyone's opinions, beliefs and ideas. What I don't understand is why someone is so wrong when they have a different idea or opinion ?!!? That makes them wrong ?

Who said that someone is wrong?

[mygirlHalo]

I know how to read, several comments were directed at me.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo

I know how to read, several comments were directed at me.

All of the comments are about Dog Food Advisor, which you mentioned, but no one is criticizing you. They are just pointing out their dislike of DFA.

By the way, my boys eat Fromm too. I used to follow another site sort of like DFA, but decided it was not a worthwhile source. It was biased toward high protein percentage foods.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo

I respect everyone's opinions, beliefs and ideas. What I don't understand is why someone is so wrong when they have a different idea or opinion ?!!? That makes them wrong ?

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo

I know how to read, several comments were directed at me.

I just went back through this thread and fail to see what you are talking about. A few people quoted you and voiced their opinions that were not in agreement with you. I am assuming you don't mean them?

If you are talking about me, I do disagree with you; but you said you respect other's opinions. If that is the case, then simply respect mine. I did not say that you were wrong. I just said I don't agree and it baffles me as to why anyone would listen to that guy if they listened to that video where he is clearly making a high pressure sales pitch. I was merely voicing my opinion just as you have. If, after reading my posts, you feel that I was saying you are wrong, ask yourself why you think that.

[Britster]

Everyone is going to have differing opinions on food. My mind has changed a lot since I first joined these forums. Actually, I've kind of done a big 360 lol. I started very "Dogs are dogs! They've been eating this stuff forever and are fine!" then went very holistic and "CORN&SOY is DEVIL!!!1!1!" Now I'm somewhere in between.

Personally? I don't *prefer* to feed a food like Dog Chow and opt not to. But I can't deny that a lot of dogs do well on it. I have no qualms feeding certain Purina products but wouldn't touch others (i.e. Beneful is disgusting IMO). I fed Purina One Beyond while waiting for the current food we're feeding to become available (Farmina). I like Farmina because it's got ingredients that *I* like but also the quality control and testing that I approve of as well.

The only difference I noticed on Jackson is body condition and poop. When feeding very grain-heavy foods, he's not quite as muscular, he gets a bit on the flabbier side and his poops were very soft (Fromm and Royal Canin did this to him). He does well on 'simple food' -- not as easy as "GRAIN-FREE VS. GRAIN INCLUSIVE". Some grain-free foods are really horribly put together... you see a TON of peas, potatoes, legumes, lentils, but somehow people see 'grain-free' and just bypass all these things. Yet seeing corn, wheat and soy in a food sends people into a frenzy.

I was definitely brainwashed. I was so programmed to just... say point-blank that a food is 'bad' if it contained any of these ingredients, when now I know it's sooooo much more complex than that. I'm currently feeding a food with minimal grain in it. Doesn't bother me because the formula is simple and doesn't include a ton of things like rice, corn, pea protein, pea fiber, red lentils, green lentils. The protein is derived from the meat source and that's proven by the ash % as well as the ingredient list and guaranteed analysis.

But there's still nothing wrong with science changing and improving and nutrition changes all the time. What was 'good' for us last year is now 'bad' for us this year. I have no qualms about improving ingredients but also having a good guaranteed analysis. Too many of the newer foods with these 'sexy' ingredient lists are horribly put together and not formulated by a qualified person.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Britster

Everyone is going to have differing opinions on food. My mind has changed a lot since I first joined these forums. Actually, I've kind of done a big 360 lol. I started very "Dogs are dogs! They've been eating this stuff forever and are fine!" then went very holistic and "CORN&SOY is DEVIL!!!1!1!" Now I'm somewhere in between.

Personally? I don't *prefer* to feed a food like Dog Chow and opt not to. But I can't deny that a lot of dogs do well on it. I have no qualms feeding certain Purina products but wouldn't touch others (i.e. Beneful is disgusting IMO). I fed Purina One Beyond while waiting for the current food we're feeding to become available (Farmina). I like Farmina because it's got ingredients that *I* like but also the quality control and testing that I approve of as well.

The only difference I noticed on Jackson is body condition and poop. When feeding very grain-heavy foods, he's not quite as muscular, he gets a bit on the flabbier side and his poops were very soft (Fromm and Royal Canin did this to him). He does well on 'simple food' -- not as easy as "GRAIN-FREE VS. GRAIN INCLUSIVE". Some grain-free foods are really horribly put together... you see a TON of peas, potatoes, legumes, lentils, but somehow people see 'grain-free' and just bypass all these things. Yet seeing corn, wheat and soy in a food sends people into a frenzy.

I was definitely brainwashed. I was so programmed to just... say point-blank that a food is 'bad' if it contained any of these ingredients, when now I know it's sooooo much more complex than that. I'm currently feeding a food with minimal grain in it. Doesn't bother me because the formula is simple and doesn't include a ton of things like rice, corn, pea protein, pea fiber, red lentils, green lentils. The protein is derived from the meat source and that's proven by the ash % as well as the ingredient list and guaranteed analysis.

But there's still nothing wrong with science changing and improving and nutrition changes all the time. What was 'good' for us last year is now 'bad' for us this year. I have no qualms about improving ingredients but also having a good guaranteed analysis. Too many of the newer foods with these 'sexy' ingredient lists are horribly put together and not formulated by a qualified person.

That last line sums it up in my opinion. I go with company first, ingredients second. It is what I was advised to do by Dr. Jon Bauer at Texas A&M and I feel it has been great advice in choosing dog foods for my pups.

[mygirlHalo]

I've already stated that I respected everyone's opinion. I didn't see the need to repeat myself over & over again. I get that you don't care for DFA, I got that the first 25 times I read that. Moving on...................

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo

I've already stated that I respected everyone's opinion. I didn't see the need to repeat myself over & over again. I get that you don't care for DFA, I got that the first 25 times I read that. Moving on...................

I don't think any one person said it 25 times. Obviously you are not caring much for other peoples' opinions even though you say otherwise.

Again, perhaps you need to ask yourself why it bothers you so much especially if you feel so strongly about your decision to follow his advice.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo

I've already stated that I respected everyone's opinion. I didn't see the need to repeat myself over & over again. I get that you don't care for DFA, I got that the first 25 times I read that. Moving on...................

DFA and food in general are hot topics and always generate a lot of posts/discussion. No one is trying to repeat anything 25 times for your benefit (in other words, not directed at you, not a response to your initial post).

[107barney]

I for one think it needs to be repeated 1 million and 25 times. Possibly a billion.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by mygirlHalo

I've already stated that I respected everyone's opinion. I didn't see the need to repeat myself over & over again. I get that you don't care for DFA, I got that the first 25 times I read that. Moving on...................

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REBECCA L. REMILLARD
Veterinary Nutritional Consultations, Inc 1002 Capps Farm Rd Hollister, NC 27844

EDUCATION
POSTDOCTORAL FELLOW (Surgical Nutrition), 1991 - 1993, Johns Hopkins University, School of Medicine
DIPLOMATE of the AMERICAN COLLEGE of VETERINARY NUTRITION, September 1991, Board certified in Comparative (Large and Small Animal).
 Nutrition Internship and Residency (3 yr combined) completed at Virginia-Maryland Regional College of Veterinary Medicine. 1987 - 1990
DOCTORATE of VETERINARY MEDICINE, May 1987, Tufts University
DOCTORATE of PHILOSOPHY, Animal Science - Nutrition, May 1983, Colorado State University MASTERS DEGREE of SCIENCE, Animal Science - Nutrition, August 1978, University of Maine BACHELORS DEGREE of SCIENCE, Animal Science, May 1976, Purdue University


PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE
North Carolina College of Veterinary Medicine - Clinical Veterinarian 9/2011 to present Nutrition Service Clinical instructor
MSPCA ANGELL ANIMAL MEDICAL CENTER, Boston, Mass:
Senior Staff Veterinarian - Clinical Nutritionist 1993 – 9/2011
 Meeting the dietary and nutritional needs of all hospitalized patients and outpatients with a wide
variety of medical conditions through clinic appointments and case consultation. Ave case load is
approximately 45,000 /yr with 60% canine, 35% feline and 5% avian and exotics.
 Mentored 20+ residents and 14 interns annually on nutritional support and dietary therapies.
 Developed and monitored a standardized feeding protocol for the 400 caged hospital
 Devised and monitored Equine feeding program for Nevins Farm Equine & Farm Center which
averaged ~25 horses on site

DIDACTIC TEACHING EXPERIENCE
North Carolina School of Veterinary Medicine 2011-present
2nd, 3rd and 4th year students Veterinary Nutritional Health in a variety of teaching formats.
Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine 1993 - 2011
2011 4th yr students; participate in Equine Medicine Rounds twice monthly in addition providing
Equine Clinical Nutrition lectures when requested.
1993 – 2002 1st yr students; directed a 15 hr Feeds, Petfoods and Feeding course, and 5 hrs of Vitamin
and Mineral Nutrition lectures in Physiological Biochemistry course.
1993-1996 3rd yr students; designed and directed a 12 hr Veterinary Clinical Nutrition course.
4th yr students; conducted 2 hrs of small and 2 hrs of large animal Clinical Nutrition Rounds monthly
plus 2 hrs of Clinical Nutrition lectures in Large Animal Medicine course

Virginia-Maryland Regional College of Veterinary Medicine 1987 - 1990
1st yr students; 15 hrs in Veterinary Clinical Nutrition, 9 hrs in Fundamentals of Nutrition, 1 hr in Small Animal Husbandry and a 4 hr lab in Normal GI.
3rd yr students; 12 hrs of clinical case studies in Correlative Medicine course.
2nd yr veterinary technicians; 2 hr lecture in Nutrition course.
Colorado State University 1979 - 1983
Teaching assistant responsible for 4 hrs of lecture, grading homework/examinations and conducting, help sessions in Feeds and Feeding, Principles of Animal Nutrition, Animal Metabolism and Beef Cattle Production undergraduate courses.
University of Maine 1976-1978
Teaching assistant responsible for 2 hrs of lecture, grading homework/examinations and conducting help sessions in Animal Nutrition and Poultry Production in third and fourth year undergraduate courses. Course director for a 30 hr second year course in Animal Breeding and Genetics.

PROFESSIONAL MEMBERSHIPS and COMMITTEE WORK
• American College of Veterinary Nutrition
• American Academy of Veterinary Nutrition
• American Veterinary Medical Association
• National Academy of Science
• FDA AAFCO Sub Committee on Canine and Feline Nutrient Profiles
1991-present 1988 - present 1986 - present 2003-2004 2007 - present

Since 2005:
PUBLICATIONS
1. Parr JM, Remillard RL. ELISA testing of Soy, Pork and Beef Antigens in Common Confounders of Dietary Elimination Trials. Submitted to JAAHA
2. Willis-Mahn, C, Raditic DM, Remillard, RL et al. ELISA testing for Soy Antigens in Dry Dog Foods used in Dietary Elimination Trials. Submitted to JAAHA
3. Raditic, DS, Remillard, RL, Tater KC. ELISA Testing for Common Food Antigens in Four Dry Dog Foods Used in Dietary Elimination Trials. J An Phys An Nutrition 2011 Feb;95(1):90-7.
4. Hand MS, Thatcher CD, Remillard RL, Roudebush P, Novotny, B. (eds) Small Animal Clinical Nutrition V. 5th ed. Topeka KS: Mark Morris Institute, 2010.
5. Remillard RL. Homemade diets: attributes, pitfalls and a call for action. Topics in Companion Animal Medicine. Topics in Companion Animal Medicine. 2008; vol 23 (3) 137-142.
6. Remillard RL. Clinicians Insert to MTP Inhibition papers. Journal of Veterinary Pharmacology and Therapeutics. June 2007.
7. Dietary Management of Obesity in Dogs. A Purina Sponsored roundtable discussion May 2007. Compendium on Continuing Ed for the Practicing Veterinarian 2007.
8. Remillard, RL. Parenteral Nutrition Support in Rabbits and Ferrets. J Exotic Pet Med 2006;15(4): 248-254.
9. Saker, KE, Remillard RL. Performance of a Canine Weight Loss Program in Clinical Practice. Veterinary Therapeutic 2005; 6 (4):291-302.
10. Remillard RL, Saker, KE. Nutritional Management of Hepatic Disease. Ettinger S and Feldman E, eds. In: Textbook of Veterinary Internal Medicine. 6th ed. Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 2005;574-577.
Abbrev CV last updated: March 13, 2013

11. Remillard RL, Wynn S. Herbal Medicine. Ettinger S and Feldman E, eds. In: Textbook of Veterinary
Internal Medicine. 6th ed. Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 2005;524-526.
12. Remillard RL. Obesity – a health problem to be recognized. Ettinger S and Feldman E, eds. In: Textbook of Veterinary Internal Medicine. 6th ed. Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 2005;76-78.
VETERINARY LICENSES
Massachusetts Veterinary License #4083
North Carolina Veterinary License #7251
National Veterinary Accreditation Program #006247

[megansmomma]

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[JuanRamos]

What exactly caused Penny's death? Was it liver failure like with the dogs that were poisoned by chinese chicken treats?