What to feed for optimal health

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

It is a fact that cats & dogs can digest fresh raw meats easier. It is the scientific digestion system of cats & dogs...how can that be opinion?!

The opinion is saying that raw food is the best!

[107barney]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

It is a fact that cats & dogs can digest fresh raw meats easier. It is the scientific digestion system of cats & dogs...how can that be opinion?!

According to Dr. Rebecca Remillard:

"Owners have been mistakenly told that cooking destroys nutrients, when in fact under proper (and we stress proper) cooking methods and correct nutrient formulation; the data clearly shows this is not true. There is over 50 years of scientific evidence indicating that cooking improves nutrient availability for animals and people using both animal and plant ingredients. In fact, commercial pet foods today are between 80 and 95% digestible as easily demonstrated repeatedly in dogs and cats. How much more digestible can a food be than 90+%, without having a negative effect on large bowl function?

Contrary to the current nutritional gossip, there are no known nutrients present in raw food diets that are not in a properly cooked pet food. The nameless enzymes and phytochemicals often proclaimed in raw foods are not nutrients. When the evidence, rather than hearsay, proves otherwise, those compounds too will be included in the commericial pet foods."

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

No it's not a fact that raw is the best. I'm talking about poo pooing the whole AVMA. The only thing I keep repeating is that it's an opinion that raw food is the best not a fact because you keep saying it is fact. It's not about feeding the raw it's about putting all the info out there about it even the bad and about what is truely an opinion not facts. If you choose to feed raw that your choice but it's not a fact that it's the best or the only way to go there are people who put just as much time researching foods who feed there dog home cooked, dry food, and prescription food.

Ugh, this is getting really frustrating, so I will try to explain 1 more time & I am done here...
The bolded above, that is YOUR opinion. I NEVER said that's the only way to go. I simply provided the list of Best to Worse. What you choose to feed your dog is YOUR choice. Like I said in the previous post, every dog is different, what works for 1 dog will not work for the other. It also depends on your comfort level. Nobody is making you feed raw, I can't even go there. Heck, if someone shoved that down my throat, I would be very wary. I'm simply presenting what's out there & like Dr. Becker says in the video, if you're on the bottom, work your way up. I think that says it all, she's not saying 'feed raw'.

Have a great day everyone!

[107barney]

Also from Dr. Remillard:

"We do not recommend the feeding of raw meat, bones and eggs, but that does not preclude us from balancing a diet using raw ingredients. Contrary to the current popular rhetoric about nutrients lost during cooking, experienced veterinary nutritionists know that the change in nutrient profile is insignificant to the whole diet when the final diet is balanced. To cook or not to cook is a food safety issue - not a nutritional issue."

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Ugh, this is getting really frustrating, so I will try to explain 1 more time & I am done here...
The bolded above, that is YOUR opinion. I NEVER said that's the only way to go. I simply provided the list of Best to Worse. What you choose to feed your dog is YOUR choice. Like I said in the previous post, every dog is different, what works for 1 dog will not work for the other. It also depends on your comfort level. Nobody is making you feed raw, I can't even go there. Heck, if someone shoved that down my throat, I would be very wary. I'm simply presenting what's out there & like Dr. Becker says in the video, if you're on the bottom, work your way up. I think that says it all, she's not saying 'feed raw'.

Have a great day everyone!

But that still is an opinion of what is best and worse not a fact like say snow is cold that's a fact. I'm pretty frustrated to because I can't understand how your not getting that the statement raw food is best is an opinion not a fact.

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

But that still is an opinion of what is best and worse not a fact like say snow is cold that's a fact. I'm pretty frustrated to because I can't understand how your not getting that the statement raw food is best is an opinion not a fact.

Ok, I understand where you are coming from...you belive it to be an opinion. I am ok w/that.
I believe it to be fact. So we'll leave it @ that.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Ok, I understand where you are coming from...you belive it to be an opinion. I am ok w/that.
I believe it to be fact. So we'll leave it @ that.

But it's not a fact that's the problem.

[Teegy]

I'm a huge fan of Dr. Becker and Dr. Dodds, who is doing some great research, as well as many other lower profile holistic vets who support home cooking and raw feeding.
If you educate yourself you will see that either a well prepared home cooked meal or a raw diet are actually the best thing for your dogs. The proof is in the pudding.
I think a lot of fear and misconceptions are out there in regard to handling and dealing with raw meats, but it's no different than if you were making yourself a rack of lamb or a prime rib, use safe hygiene practices.
I certainly wouldn't recommend someone home cook or raw feed without first learning what they are doing and the means to do so are readily available.
I have several friends who as instructed by breeders fed their dogs RC Yorkie, they ended up ill with allergies, hives and skin lesions, hair loss, ear infections, pancreatitis, liver issues and bad digestion causing them to go to the vet to have the anal glands expressed on a regular basis.
They finally after thousands of dollars at the vets made the switch to a raw. Itching stopped within a day, hives started to clear up within a few days, ear infections gone within a week, new hair growth within a week and the anal glands no longer needed expressing as their digestive system began to function properly.
On Friday my friends Yorkie died. She had been home cooking and feeding the occasional raw meal to for him for 6 years and when she went back to work it was recommended she go on RC Yorkie as she didn't have the time for preparing his meals. The dogs health started to fail after almost a year on this and her vets couldn't find anything wrong running test after test and spending lashings of cash. She finally went went to another vet for a second opinion, he had severe necrotic pancreatitis, his liver was severely damaged, fluid had developed on his lungs and a secondary bacteria had kicked in. His body went into shock and they couldn't save him.

[Lovetodream88]

The definition of opinion
: a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing

: advice from someone with special knowledge : advice from an expert

: a formal statement by a judge, court, etc., explaining the reasons a decision was made according to laws or rules

The definition of fact
: something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence

: a true piece of information

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

But it's not a fact that's the problem.

Taylor, once you have fed raw (be it premade, like in my case) & witnessed the remarkable improvement in your dog(s), then I won't have a problem that you think it's a problem.

One thing that I have noticed, is that they don't get gurgling sounds from their stomach. No yucky smell from their mouth, this is all from eating premium canned & kibble. I have worked my way up the list, never was way on the bottom, but somehow subconsciously did work up from big box chain store kibble & am very happy w/my decision. If you have a problem w/that, then what can I say? It's my choice, my dogs, leave it be.

I truly believe that the more the food is fresh & intact, the easier it is for them to digest it. It takes 14-16 hrs for kibble to pass through their digestive system, only 4-6 hrs for raw food. That's a fact also, a scientific one. I always moistened their kibble bc I felt that it's easier on their tiny kidneys. That's 1 organ in their body that can't repair itself once it's damaged. These things, I do for my dogs' health & I simply wanted to share the knowlege to anyone who would be interested.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Teegy

I'm a huge fan of Dr. Becker and Dr. Dodds, who is doing some great research, as well as many other lower profile holistic vets who support home cooking and raw feeding.
If you educate yourself you will see that either a well prepared home cooked meal or a raw diet are actually the best thing for your dogs. The proof is in the pudding.
I think a lot of fear and misconceptions are out there in regard to handling and dealing with raw meats, but it's no different than if you were making yourself a rack of lamb or a prime rib, use safe hygiene practices.
I certainly wouldn't recommend someone home cook or raw feed without first learning what they are doing and the means to do so are readily available.
I have several friends who as instructed by breeders fed their dogs RC Yorkie, they ended up ill with allergies, hives and skin lesions, hair loss, ear infections, pancreatitis, liver issues and bad digestion causing them to go to the vet to have the anal glands expressed on a regular basis.
They finally after thousands of dollars at the vets made the switch to a raw. Itching stopped within a day, hives started to clear up within a few days, ear infections gone within a week, new hair growth within a week and the anal glands no longer needed expressing as their digestive system began to function properly.
On Friday my friends Yorkie died. She had been home cooking and feeding the occasional raw meal to for him for 6 years and when she went back to work it was recommended she go on RC Yorkie as she didn't have the time for preparing his meals. The dogs health started to fail after almost a year on this and her vets couldn't find anything wrong running test after test and spending lashings of cash. She finally went went to another vet for a second opinion, he had severe necrotic pancreatitis, his liver was severely damaged, fluid had developed on his lungs and a secondary bacteria had kicked in. His body went into shock and they couldn't save him.

I'm sorry for your friend's loss. Pancreatitis is of unknown etiology and is life threatening. I have two boys on RC and neither of them has any medical problems related to diet. No anal gland probs either.

[Teegy]

Minimomo my raw food provider gives her clients the Nutriscan packs for free if they feel their dogs may have food sensitivities and they just have to pay for the results to be processed. I've spoken to a few of them and they are really glad to find out and improve their dogs diet by removing the irritating food items

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Y'all that's against raw feeding that posted here are against it, I get that. But what I don't understand is that there are some of us here that do feed raw (me, premade raw) & we can't even discuss that here w/out the same people picketing the raw threads. What someone chooses to feed is their choice & I feel like EVERY raw thread becomes a shush thread, a big debate thread, the most controversial subject thread & eventually dies...like we can't even discuss the many positive health benefits from feeding raw?

So here goes...

My dogs' hair is so shiny, Momo doesn't even tangle anymore w/his soft hair. They have so much energy, Mimi lost a little weight (she needed to) but hasn't lost any muscle mass, Princess' allergies or itchies & seborrhea is gone (she had many skin & ear issues, including yeast, that's gone too), Turbo hasn't thrown up from food intolerance (also Thanks to Dr Dodds' NutriScan test). They sit, stand on hind legs, beg, whine, twirl & get excited for every meal...basically, my dogs are doing excellent. I can go on & on. They had more health & digestive problems on canned & kibble!
Yes, it's not for every dog, so do your research.

100% in agreement with you

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I'm sorry for your friend's loss. Pancreatitis is of unknown etiology and is life threatening. I have two boys on RC and neither of them has any medical problems related to diet. No anal gland probs either.

This is exactly the case of not 1 dog is *not* the same as the other. There's many dogs here on RC & doing excellent.

Originally Posted by Teegy

Minimomo my raw food provider gives her clients the Nutriscan packs for free if they feel their dogs may have food sensitivities and they just have to pay for the results to be processed. I've spoken to a few of them and they are really glad to find out and improve their dogs diet by removing the irritating food items

Wow, what a great thing to do! It's done wonders for Turbo, no more throwing up bile & food after I removed all the offending protein from the NutriScan test results. No joke, it literally saved his life & my sheets, blankets, floors, he was vomiting everywhere...I was doing laundry everyday!

[Teegy]

Barney it was really really sad, brought back memories of my first dog that died of colitis. Her and her husband are completely shattered. The good part was he had big fun at our Yorkie meetup hanging with 30 other Yorkies and having a great playtime before this tragedy happened. My vet explained to me when you see something that bad happening it's definitely something on the inside that's impacted. I wish I had known sooner about what she was going through I would have got her to another vet for a second opinion sooner.