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01-03-2006, 10:30 AM | #1 |
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| BEST FOOD(s) THIS GOES OUT TO THE BREEDERS since they have more dogs and puppies than most of us do. I thought you'd be the best ones to ask. Would you please PM me and personally tell me which premium dog food you use for your puppies and what you use for your older Yorkies and WHY? I am getting so confused with all the talk about good dog food. I thought Chicken Soup was one of the best but now hear they are made by Diamond & I don't know if I want to trust them with my 2 dogs lives!*! Thanking you in advance for taking your time to answer my erquest.
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01-03-2006, 10:48 AM | #2 |
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| I'd be interested to hear this info too. I feed my dogs Evolve dry kibble. They love it and everything seems great on the label. My vet even approved it.
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01-03-2006, 10:51 AM | #3 |
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| that was also a BIG question that i had as well
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01-03-2006, 10:57 AM | #4 | |
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01-03-2006, 12:09 PM | #5 | |
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Chicken Soup for the Pet Lovers Soul (has puppy food) Innova (has puppy food) Natural Balance (no puppy food) DID I MISS ANY OTHERS THAT HAVE 2 MEAT PRODUCTS AS 1ST 2 INGREDIENTS????? Or is there something more important than the 1st 2 ingredients being MEAT? I haven't heard from any breeders yet. Do they not want to answer or is it illegal for them to say? __________________
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01-03-2006, 12:16 PM | #6 |
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| diet I realize I do not feed my Yorkies a politically correct food. They eat Eukanuba puppy small bites and Bil-Jac..they have eaten it for 20 years or more..before that I used ANF. They also get Science TD's..2 or 3 a day..Iams Bisquits, Freeze Dried liver treats. Cottage cheese twice a week..egg yolks and chicken twice a week, always mixed with dry. |
01-03-2006, 12:24 PM | #7 | |
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PAT, in your mind, what do you consider the most important thing to look for in a dry dog food whether for puppies or older? I'm just trying to find out which are the very best dry foods to give to our Yorkie puppy and also to our senior Yorkie. I would have thought that by now SOMEONE surely to goodness has done some deep research and can answer these questions.
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01-03-2006, 12:30 PM | #8 |
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| I am VERY interested in this also...... |
01-03-2006, 12:42 PM | #9 |
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| Read The Label Here is a list of some stuff that should NOT be in our dog's food: *Animal Fat AAFCO - Animal Fat is obtained from the tissues of mammals and/or poultry in the commercial process of rendering or extracting. Natura - A byproduct of meat meal processing. The origin of the contributing animals is never known, and the resulting oil is very low in linoleic acid -- an essential fatty acid that is important for skin and coat health. * Beet Pulp AAFCO - Beet Pulp is the dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. Natura uses it because - "it as a good source of fiber and a stool hardener". However, it is not found in their Innova or California Natural products. Solid Gold doesn't use it because they believe it is: "Added to pet food to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats (think toxic waste). This holds the waste in. Kidneys and liver work overtime. Dogs may chew their lower backs. Feet may swell, so the dogs lick their feet. Sugar is a contributing factor to ear infections and cataracts". (Beet pulp is rather controversial, many think that it is an excellent additive and source of fiber and that all sugar has been completely extracted before being added as a pet food ingredients. If this is the only "problem" ingredient in a kibble, other factors will have to help you decide.) *Beef Tallow AAFCO - Beef Tallow is obtained from the tissue of cattle in the commercial process of rendering. Natura states: "Although this is a very palatable source of fat, it is low in linoleic acid,which is necessary for skin and coat health" Wendy Volhard in "The Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog" also shows that beef tallow is a saturated fat whose main purpose is flavoring and palatability of food. Linoleic acid is a polyunsaturated fat and the acid should should constitute about 1% of diet. *Brewers Rice AAFCO - Brewer's Rice is the small milled fragments of rice kernels that have been separated from the larger kernels of milled rice. Natura will not use it because they state it is a "lower quality rice product that is missing many of the nutrients found in Ground Rice and Ground Brown Rice." Solid Gold says that is the sweepings from the floor of the mill. *Chicken By-Products AAFCO - Chicken By-Products consist of the rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, beaks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices. Natura states that they do not use it because it is an inconsistent ingredient because of the multiple organs used and their constantly changing proportions. Chicken By-Products are much less expensive and less digestible than Chicken Meal. *Corn Gluten Meal AAFCO - Corn Gluten Meal is the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm. Solid Gold states that it is: "Added to pet food to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats (think toxic waste). This holds the waste in. Kidneys and liver work overtime. Dogs may chew their lower backs. Feet may swell, so the dogs lick their feet. Corn is thought to be the #3 common cause of food allergies in dogs. Natura uses it in cat foods because "Corn Gluten Meal is a plant protein source that is low in ash. It is used in Natura cat foods to balance the natural ash in chicken." *Ground Corn AAFCO - Ground Corn is the entire corn kernel, ground or chopped. Neither Natura nor Solid Gold use it since: "Although Ground Corn is a good quality source of carbohydrates, it is thought to be the #3 common cause of food allergies in pets. *Poultry By Product Meal AAFCO - Poultry By-Product Meal consists of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered poultry, such as necks, beaks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices. Natura and Solid Gold feel that it is an "Inconsistent ingredient because of the multiple organs used and their constantly changing proportions. The origin is from any fowl (turkeys, ducks, geese, buzzards, etc.) instead of a single source, like chicken. Poultry By-Product Meal is much less expensive and less digestible than Chicken Meal." *Rice Bran AAFCO - Rice Bran is the outer coating of the rice kernel, with little or none of the starchy part of the germ. Natura and Solid Gold reject it because it is "an inexpensive source of fiber that is considered a filler ingredient", i.e. devoid of nutrient value. * Rice Flour AAFCO - Rice Flour consists principally of the soft, finely ground and bolted meal obtained from milling rice (containing essentially the starch and gluten of the endosperm) together with fine particles of rice bran and the offal from the 'tail of the mill.' Not used by natura or Solid Gold because "This is a highly pre-processed ingredient. All of the naturally occurring vitamins have been leeched out by the processing. Ground Rice with its natural nutrients intact would be preferable." *Rice Gluten (Glue) AAFCO - Rice Gluten Meal is the dried residue from rice after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of rice starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm. Natura does not use Rice Gluten Meal, a poor quality protein filler. The 'Crude Protein' analysis on pet food labels is only a measurement of the amount of nitrogen in a food -- not the quality of the protein.Because of this, pet food companies can use the cheaper by-products of human food production, such as Rice Gluten Meal. Meat is always the best source of quality protein. Meat protein is better absorbed and retained and is higher in essential amino acids like methionine, arginine, and taurine. Rice Gluten Meal has a biologic value less than 50% of Chicken Meal. Solid Gold states that any gluten is "Added to pet food to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats (think toxic waste). This holds the waste in. Kidneys and liver work overtime. Dogs may chew their lower backs. Feet may swell, so the dogs lick their feet. *Sorghum AAFCO - Sorghum is the ground grain of the sorghum plant. Natura alleges that although sorghum is good source of carbohydrates, it is low in digestibility. *Soybean Meal AAFCO - Soybean Meal is the product obtained by grinding the flakes which remain after removal of most of the oil from soybeans by a solvent or mechanical extraction process. Natura and Solid Gold state that it is "a poor quality protein filler. The 'Crude Protein' analysis on pet food labels is only a measurement of the amount of nitrogen in a food -- not the quality of the protein. Because of this, pet food companies can use the cheaper by-products of human food production, such as Soybean Meal. Meat is always the best source of quality protein. Meat protein is better absorbed and retained and is higher in essential amino acids like methionine, arginine, and taurine. Soybean Meal has a biologic value less than 50% of Chicken Meal. Some allege that soybeans are the #1 allergy of dogs."
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01-03-2006, 01:01 PM | #10 |
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| Food Comparison I found this website where you can go and compare brands of dog food. http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...z&naturaid=547
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01-03-2006, 01:58 PM | #11 |
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| I researched through a bunch of foods by ingredients and here is a list I came up with of high quality foods with no by-products, and I believe most if not all have a meat listed as the first ingredient, versus a meat meal or other. Artemis Azmira Blue Buffalo Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers Soul Dr.’s Foster & Smith Evangers Evolve Fromm Four Star Holistic Blend Innova Karma Organic Merrick Natural Balance Natures Variety Newmans Own Northwest Naturals N-R-G C & P’s Organix C & P’s Ultramix Pet Promise Petguard Premium Lifespan Premium Edge Pro Plan Show Bound Naturals Wysong Wenaewe Wellness |
01-03-2006, 02:06 PM | #12 |
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| I was basically trying to find those that had TWO MEATS listed as the 1st TWO ingredients. I kind of narrowed it down to 3: Chicken soup Puppy Wellness Super 5 Puppy Mix (had 4 within 1st 4 ingredients 1st, 3rd,4th) Innova Puppy (which our dogs wouldn't eat at all) We're already feeding both our Yorkies the Chicken Soup but am planning on buying the Wellness Super 5 Puppy Mix and mixing them together.
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01-03-2006, 02:22 PM | #13 |
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| My girl had terrible tummy issues until I discovered Innova Evo. I got her from my mom and she had tried everything and she just wouln't eat. THe Evo is made with just meat and veggies, no grains. She LOVES it and the normally finicky eater it quite pleased with no more tummy problems. Jen and Jolene |
01-03-2006, 02:31 PM | #14 | |
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The Wellness Super 5 Mix Puppy food has the following as 1st several ingredients: Deboned Chicken, Ground Barley, Oatmeal, Rye Flour, Menhaden Fishmeal, Whitefish, Ground Brown Rice. Still sounds good.
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01-03-2006, 02:40 PM | #15 |
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| The best authority on this is the Whole Dog Journal. I've posted this several times. They analyze all the ingredients to create their list of acceptable foods, and they have pretty high standards. February is when they always do their dry food, so check it out next month. They have a 14 day FREE trial! They stress that you CANNOT rank the foods. They are either good or not. Every dog is different. Loki does better on Canidae then on Natural Balance, though both are on the list. Another dog may do better on Natural Balance. As long as the food you choose is on this list, you can be sure you are feeding quality food. The only other way to know is to simply READ THE INGREDIENTS. www.whole-dog-journal.com
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