New FROMM formulas!

[Princes mom]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

There's nothing wrong w/peas...in moderation, but dogs should not be getting their protein from mainly peas. Ingredient splitting is a way to push the protein from meat further up on the ingredient list, when in fact, the splitted ingredient is actually the MAIN ingredient. Ingredient Splitting -- The Pet Food Industry's Dirty Little Secret

What an informative article! Thanks for sharing!

[Britster]

Meh, I'm not too impressed
THx for posting! I wish Fromm would come out with a LID food.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Verbena

I would want to see most of the protein coming from a meat or fish not from veg.

I am just wondering why this is a bad thing? Getting protein from veggies? People on vegan diets get their protein from veggies, right? rather than meat? I dont have a clue about too many peas in a dog food....I know you have different kinds of proteins...."single chain" and "double chain", etc....but it just occured to me to even wonder why veggie protein would be such an undesirable thing. If you can get all your protein from veggies rather than a meat source, is that a bad thing?

[ironmike86]

Pork like beef can be hard for some dogs to digest. Only thing I can think of for a healthy dog? Moki doesn't do well with beef but he loves it. I mix Fresh fish and also boiled chicken and eggs in Moki's Fromms. No all at once but different types different times. I would rather feed Home cooked 100% but I always add kibble so he's not so fussy when we travel. He will eat kibble plain also. Frozen peas is a nice treat in the summer.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am just wondering why this is a bad thing? Getting protein from veggies? People on vegan diets get their protein from veggies, right? rather than meat? I dont have a clue about too many peas in a dog food....I know you have different kinds of proteins...."single chain" and "double chain", etc....but it just occured to me to even wonder why veggie protein would be such an undesirable thing. If you can get all your protein from veggies rather than a meat source, is that a bad thing?

For a dog, IMO. Yes, it is.

Did you see the recent situation where a mother was vegan and breast feeding and the baby died because they weren't getting enough/proper nutrients?

I do not agree at all with vegetarian diets for dogs unless they absolutely 100% can not eat any meat which would be a rare occurrence.

Now when I say this, I'm not talking about having to feed a food with a bagillion different meat/protein sources... it's just not desirable to be using things such as pea protein, multiple pea ingredients (i.e. splitting). Nothing wrong with 'peas' themselves. It's just when one food uses 'pea protein' 'peas' and 'pea fiber' all within the first 10 ingredients, I wonder how much is coming from meat.

When you have four or five different legumes and veggies and plant proteins up so high on the ingredient list, you know a lot of protein is coming from them.

I've had to learn a lot about they use marketing in so many of these foods to make an ingredient list look nice. In reality, a lot of these newer holistic grain-free formulas don't even contain as much meat as you'd be led to believe. Most of Royal Canin and Eukanuba formulas are using more animal protein than some "higher end" foods if you take into account ash content, how many lentils, peas, etc are being used, etc.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am just wondering why this is a bad thing? Getting protein from veggies? People on vegan diets get their protein from veggies, right? rather than meat? I dont have a clue about too many peas in a dog food....I know you have different kinds of proteins...."single chain" and "double chain", etc....but it just occured to me to even wonder why veggie protein would be such an undesirable thing. If you can get all your protein from veggies rather than a meat source, is that a bad thing?

Not all food is a complete protein. So you need to know where your protein comes from. Meats ,fish eggs are complete proteins. Veggies are incomplete. So you need to mix them to get a complete protein but you need to know what amino acids you are lacking. But imo I doubt your dog will be lacking protein if Pork is the primary protein and peas is almost equal. If :someone" is worried about protein give them a Bully stick. thats all protein. J/K

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I am just wondering why this is a bad thing? Getting protein from veggies? People on vegan diets get their protein from veggies, right? rather than meat? I dont have a clue about too many peas in a dog food....I know you have different kinds of proteins...."single chain" and "double chain", etc....but it just occured to me to even wonder why veggie protein would be such an undesirable thing. If you can get all your protein from veggies rather than a meat source, is that a bad thing?

Both meat & veggies provide the needed essential amino acids & yes dogs are omnivores, so they can get some of their protein from veggies. What I have a problem w/is the ingredient splitting. If it was just plain split peas or green peas I have no problem with. If it was a dog w/compromised liver or ailing kidney function, then I would def pick the right/ appropriate food w/more veggie proteins, but a normal healthy dog will require their protein coming mainly from a meat source. Another thing w/getting protein only from veggies poses a problem for dogs bc they have a slightly acidic pH of 5-6.5, whereas humans have an alkaline pH of 7-7.5. Fruits & veggies are alkaline forming foods.

[Nipper]

Originally Posted by Verbena

That is a lot of peas. . . I think I would skip the Fromms pork

This food is typical Fromm junk. Peas, powdered pea protein and pork bone meal. "Pork meal" is not what you think it is junk.

The other thing I hate about Fromm is the use of Cheese.

Cheese is used to add MSG to the food to make the dog eat it.

Stay away from Fromm. They make good marketing but terrible food.

[Nipper]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Both meat & veggies provide the needed essential amino acids & yes dogs are omnivores, so they can get some of their protein from veggies. What I have a problem w/is the ingredient splitting. If it was just plain split peas or green peas I have no problem with. If it was a dog w/compromised liver or ailing kidney function, then I would def pick the right/ appropriate food w/more veggie proteins, but a normal healthy dog will require their protein coming mainly from a meat source. Another thing w/getting protein only from veggies poses a problem for dogs bc they have a slightly acidic pH of 5-6.5, whereas humans have an alkaline pH of 7-7.5. Fruits & veggies are alkaline forming foods.

Fromm should be ashamed of itself for selling this junk. Everyone should know that "pork meal" is not what it sounds like. It just like "meat and bone meal", very cheap and bad quality.

Fromm is bad at using cheap ingredients in place of meat. Almost all the foods have powdered pea protein and very high amounts.

Also, Fromm uses cheese in the food to add MSG. Dried cheese is very high in MSG.

Avoid Fromm.

[MikaTallulah]

Originally Posted by Nipper

Fromm should be ashamed of itself for selling this junk. Everyone should know that "pork meal" is not what it sounds like. It just like "meat and bone meal", very cheap and bad quality.

Fromm is bad at using cheap ingredients in place of meat. Almost all the foods have powdered pea protein and very high amounts.

Also, Fromm uses cheese in the food to add MSG. Dried cheese is very high in MSG.

Avoid Fromm.

I guess you had a bad experience with them.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Nipper

This food is typical Fromm junk. Peas, powdered pea protein and pork bone meal. "Pork meal" is not what you think it is junk.

The other thing I hate about Fromm is the use of Cheese.

Cheese is used to add MSG to the food to make the dog eat it.

Stay away from Fromm. They make good marketing but terrible food.

So what do you feed you dogs? Fromms uses alot of meats in there foods. Show me where you get your information

[MikaTallulah]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

So what do you feed you dogs? Fromms uses alot of meats in there foods. Show me where you get your information

I copied Nipper's 1st post from a difference threat below

Originally Posted by Nipper

We use Farmina Natural & Delicious Wild Boar, 37% protein.

It is the best we have ever used.

This is the website for the dog food http://www.farmina.com/?q=en/content/product/boar-apple

[MikaTallulah]

Originally Posted by MikaTallulah

I copied Nipper's 1st post from a difference threat below




This is the website for the dog food Boar & Apple | Farmina Pet Foods - Happy pet. Happy You.

It is an Italian company which distributes to Italy, Europe, Arab countries and Latin America per their website. I wonder if they import it into NYC. Farmina Company | Farmina Pet Foods - Happy pet. Happy You.

[ironmike86]

Guess I can't comment on the food because it's not available here.USA that I can find. But if you look at the indigence it actually looks good. But dunno about the company. But food is subjective and Mokie eats Fromms.Supplemented with home cooked. His fur looks good and solid stools. Dunno if it's from home cooked which I think is the best but the Fromms is a solid company ime.http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f9...sd39b1ddc.jpga

[MikaTallulah]

Originally Posted by ironmike86

Guess I can't comment on the food because it's not available here.USA that I can find. But if you look at the indigence it actually looks good. But dunno about the company. But food is subjective and Mokie eats Fromms.Supplemented with home cooked. His fur looks good and solid stools. Dunno if it's from home cooked which I think is the best but the Fromms is a solid company ime.http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f9...sd39b1ddc.jpga

Your Mokie could be my Lucy's long lost brother!