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tokipoki · 07-09-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

Does anyone know the origin of the duck that they use? I've read that the rabbit comes from China, so I won't buy that one. (Raw rabbit only, the rabbit used from kibble supposedly doesn't come from China). As far as I know, the lamb that they use comes from New Zealand and the others (chicken, bison, venison, beef) come from the US. Since the duck is a new protein, I haven't seen where they buy it from.

I dunno...I just sent them an email to find out about the duck. According to their website, it seems that aside from the rabbit and lamb, the other ingredients should come from the US but perhaps someone else here knows the answer to this. Hopefully I'll get a response from NV soon.

tokipoki · 07-09-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RileyDC

You can always call, email or message them on Facebook... I have done that before and they are very quick with responding... I felt fine with what they had to say about the Rabbit....

Their customer service is very good and they are indeed fast at responding! I emailed them about getting a sample of the raw boost kibble and they had it in my mailbox maybe not even 4 days after I sent an email to them.

RileyDC · 07-10-2012, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tokipoki

Their customer service is very good and they are indeed fast at responding! I emailed them about getting a sample of the raw boost kibble and they had it in my mailbox maybe not even 4 days after I sent an email to them.

Did you try the raw boost kibble? How was it??

tokipoki · 07-10-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RileyDC

Did you try the raw boost kibble? How was it??

I've just been giving it to Toki as treats. She gobbles it up and jumps and dances for it! But she's also a little piggy haha! We got a sample of the chicken which seemed to have a pretty decent ratio of raw boost bites to kibble pieces (I guess I was expecting the raw part to be kinda skimpy but this did not seem to be the case). I've been emailing companies that produce raw/grain-free products the past couple of weeks and have received several coupons and many samples! Yesterday, I got a free 8 oz trial bag of air-dried venison from ZiwiPeak with a little measuring cup!

You should definitely contact NV about a sample! They also sent me a $3 off coupon which you can use toward your raw medallions or bites.

I'd like to add NV to my kibble rotation eventually but for now I pretty much have my heart set on the grain-free Acana (still trying to decide on which protein source I should go with!) after we finish up the Fromm.

RileyDC · 07-10-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tokipoki

I've just been giving it to Toki as treats. She gobbles it up and jumps and dances for it! But she's also a little piggy haha! We got a sample of the chicken which seemed to have a pretty decent ratio of raw boost bites to kibble pieces (I guess I was expecting the raw part to be kinda skimpy but this did not seem to be the case). I've been emailing companies that produce raw/grain-free products the past couple of weeks and have received several coupons and many samples! Yesterday, I got a free 8 oz trial bag of air-dried venison from ZiwiPeak with a little measuring cup!

You should definitely contact NV about a sample! They also sent me a $3 off coupon which you can use toward your raw medallions or bites.

I'd like to add NV to my kibble rotation eventually but for now I pretty much have my heart set on the grain-free Acana (still trying to decide on which protein source I should go with!) after we finish up the Fromm.

I have thought a couple of times about trying NV kibble but it is a little too high for my liking in Fat content... I don't mind so much the higher percentage of protein but I don't like to go over about 17% Fat...

There is a store, Wylie Wagg, WylieWagg - Home not too far from me that carriers a lot of hard to get foods. I emailed them today and they said they just started carrying the NV raw small bites... in two of their Virginai stores. They said they can have some sent to the store nearest me.
They are really great there!! I have been a couple of times. They also has a monthly newsletter and they have coupons in it...

RileyDC · 07-10-2012, 11:13 AM

YAY!! I was just emailing with one of the ladies from Wylie Wagg. They have 4 stores in Virginia!
They have a store out where I'm taking Riley on Sunday for his meet-up.
She already called them and is having them put a 4lb bag of the NV Chicken and the Beef "Small Bites", in the back, for me!!
She said in the future just to email her or call the Arlington, VA store, which is closest to me at home and they will get me whatever I need!
They also sell Acana! I'm Soooo Excited!! LOL!!

I have been out there twice and their store is Awesome!
Very Friendly and knowledgeable!! And Metro accessible!!!!

Cherie6446 · 07-10-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

Does anyone know the origin of the duck that they use? I've read that the rabbit comes from China, so I won't buy that one. (Raw rabbit only, the rabbit used from kibble supposedly doesn't come from China). As far as I know, the lamb that they use comes from New Zealand and the others (chicken, bison, venison, beef) come from the US. Since the duck is a new protein, I haven't seen where they buy it from.

I e-mailed them about the origin of the duck and they said it is from the USA. Only the rabbit comes from China.
I bought a bag of NV kibble to give them some in the evening but Zoey barfed it up (of course, on my bed). So I gave the bag to a neighbor. I would love to give a little kibble at night instead of veggies every night but so far I haven't found the right one that won't cause Zoey to throw up.

mimimomo · 07-16-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tokipoki

I went to our pet store today to buy Toki some more raw chicken medallions and came across these new Instinct Raw Bites! These are so tiny! I got a 4 lb bag for 21.99

I love that you can measure this by the cup and that they will thaw soooo quickly! I had been just rounding up Toki's medallions in the mornings and adjusting her kibble amount in the evenings (I'm not going to cut a medallion in half). These would probably make good high-value treats too and be good for topping kibble. Anyway, just wanted to let you all know about this find! Keep an eye out for it if you're interested... I know sometimes the frozen portions for the premade raw can be more work to adjust for smaller dogs. I believe that they also had duck and beef(?...I don't remember exactly and can't find them on the NV website) in addition to the chicken.

This is something I want to try for the fur butts...I have a silly have no idea about raw question lolll. I'm looking @ the Duck Formula in the Raw Bites & it has a 13% crude protein. The part I don't understand is how can the cp be lower than kibble? Can you explain that to me? Does it have something to do w/ the moisture?

Turbo is VERY allergic to pumpkin, would pumpkinseeds affect him? Maybe this question is for the vet...

tokipoki · 07-17-2012, 04:23 AM

It does have to do with the moisture content! I believe on the back of most packages, they have the values listed for Guaranteed Analysis which doesn't take into account the amount of moisture in a product. So when you compare those values for kibble and raw food, you're comparing apples and oranges.

In order to standardize all of the values and put all the foods on a level playing field, there is a pretty simple formula to convert the values from the Guaranteed Analysis to Dry Matter Basis (honestly, I just look online, usually DogFoodAdvisor, to see what they calculated...I don't like doing all this math).

Dry Matter Basis - A Better Way to Compare Dog Foods

So after the formula, the NV raw that I feed has 41% protein and 25% fat compared to the grain-free Fromm kibble I feed which has 33% protein and 21% fat. If I remember correctly, you've mentioned that you fed your doggies THK? The Thrive formula has 28% protein and 21% fat. It's kinda interesting to compare all of this!

And I have no idea about the pumpkin seeds! Maybe you can try getting a small trial bag? They sell the bites and also the medallions in 0.65 pound trial bags near me for around 6-7 bucks.

gracielove · 07-17-2012, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mimimomo

This is something I want to try for the fur butts...I have a silly have no idea about raw question lolll. I'm looking @ the Duck Formula in the Raw Bites & it has a 13% crude protein. The part I don't understand is how can the cp be lower than kibble? Can you explain that to me? Does it have something to do w/ the moisture?

Turbo is VERY allergic to pumpkin, would pumpkinseeds affect him? Maybe this question is for the vet...

Yes, it all has to do with moisture content. Frozen raw and canned food has much more moisture than dry food. If the moisture is taken out then the amount of protein and fat calculated also becomes a whole different number comparable to the dry food. The link posted explains in detail.

mimimomo · 07-17-2012, 10:51 AM

I'm such a dork, I've read the info on dog food advisor & I still do not understand loll. It doesn't explain how much protein a dog should be consuming, it just explains how to convert dry matter/wet vise versa. So, is higher the protein & fat, the better? Isn't 41% protein & 25% fat a bit high? or is it good fat since it comes from protein? I have no clue! I need to do a lot more research & reading up on this...

gracielove · 07-17-2012, 11:54 AM

What is more important than the percentage concerning protein is the quality of the protein. All meat is actually protein. Many of the "grocery store" foods use the least desirable parts of the animal as their meat source making it's digestion difficult and complicated for the dog/cat. Poor quality protein is a major factor in some of the illnesses that many pets are afflicted with. How much protein a dog should have varies according to size and activity level. Some pet food producers add grains and vegetables to their foods and thus there is a percentage of each different type of food in their ingredient list. Some feel that protein should make up the major content of the pet's food. There is a lot of controversy about the subject. There is argument over weather dogs are really carnivores or not. My dog has eaten high protein diet most of her life and has done very well on it but she does get the highest quality protein sources I can give her.

07-17-2012, 10:51 AM	#26
mimimomo Don't Litter Spay&Neuter Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 9,874	I'm such a dork, I've read the info on dog food advisor & I still do not understand loll. It doesn't explain how much protein a dog should be consuming, it just explains how to convert dry matter/wet vise versa. So, is higher the protein & fat, the better? Isn't 41% protein & 25% fat a bit high? or is it good fat since it comes from protein? I have no clue! I need to do a lot more research & reading up on this... __________________ Jenny Mimi Momo Princess Turbo Madan Pin Brush: www.toplinepet.com

07-10-2012, 11:13 AM	#21
RileyDC BANNED! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,183	YAY!! I was just emailing with one of the ladies from Wylie Wagg. They have 4 stores in Virginia! They have a store out where I'm taking Riley on Sunday for his meet-up. She already called them and is having them put a 4lb bag of the NV Chicken and the Beef "Small Bites", in the back, for me!! She said in the future just to email her or call the Arlington, VA store, which is closest to me at home and they will get me whatever I need! They also sell Acana! I'm Soooo Excited!! LOL!! I have been out there twice and their store is Awesome! Very Friendly and knowledgeable!! And Metro accessible!!!!

07-17-2012, 04:23 AM	#24
tokipoki Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Garner, NC Posts: 1,485	It does have to do with the moisture content! I believe on the back of most packages, they have the values listed for Guaranteed Analysis which doesn't take into account the amount of moisture in a product. So when you compare those values for kibble and raw food, you're comparing apples and oranges. In order to standardize all of the values and put all the foods on a level playing field, there is a pretty simple formula to convert the values from the Guaranteed Analysis to Dry Matter Basis (honestly, I just look online, usually DogFoodAdvisor, to see what they calculated...I don't like doing all this math). Dry Matter Basis - A Better Way to Compare Dog Foods So after the formula, the NV raw that I feed has 41% protein and 25% fat compared to the grain-free Fromm kibble I feed which has 33% protein and 21% fat. If I remember correctly, you've mentioned that you fed your doggies THK? The Thrive formula has 28% protein and 21% fat. It's kinda interesting to compare all of this! And I have no idea about the pumpkin seeds! Maybe you can try getting a small trial bag? They sell the bites and also the medallions in 0.65 pound trial bags near me for around 6-7 bucks.

07-17-2012, 11:54 AM	#27
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	What is more important than the percentage concerning protein is the quality of the protein. All meat is actually protein. Many of the "grocery store" foods use the least desirable parts of the animal as their meat source making it's digestion difficult and complicated for the dog/cat. Poor quality protein is a major factor in some of the illnesses that many pets are afflicted with. How much protein a dog should have varies according to size and activity level. Some pet food producers add grains and vegetables to their foods and thus there is a percentage of each different type of food in their ingredient list. Some feel that protein should make up the major content of the pet's food. There is a lot of controversy about the subject. There is argument over weather dogs are really carnivores or not. My dog has eaten high protein diet most of her life and has done very well on it but she does get the highest quality protein sources I can give her.