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lynzy420 · 03-09-2012, 07:26 AM

I've been doing alot of research on nutrition and met with a nutritionist etc., I'm actually burned out from this research...

This is the ingredients from FARM STAND SELECT CANNED FOOD, this has been Miss Mini's regular and very very very favorite food for most of her life, please tell me why this is NOT GOOD FOR HER??

Vegetable broth, lamb, chicken, sweet potatoes, brown rice, green beans, food starch, tomato paste, tricalcium phosphate, sugar, guar gum, potassium chloride, salt, vegetable oil, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, niacin supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, biotin supplement, riboflavin supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, beta-carotene, folic acid), minerals (zinc glycine complex, iron glycine complex, copper glycine complex, manganese glycine complex, sodium selenite, potassium iodide), choline chloride, parsley, magnesium oxide.

chachi · 03-09-2012, 07:37 AM

Im not a food expert but that doesnt look like a bad food to me. It doesnt have corn or meat by products in it and a meat is the 2nd and 3rd ingredient. I will be curious what others have to say but I agree I looked into nutrition when I was considering home cooking and it was too much for me

Ellie May · 03-09-2012, 07:40 AM

Ingredients is way down on the list of considerations when choosing a food.

First:

What do you know about this company?
Do they do feeding trials (not just palatability trials) on their foods?
Who created this diet? Are they qualified to do so?
What is the company doing to try and ensure a safe product (batch after batch)?
Are they contributing anything to the field of animal nutrition or do their formulations come from back engineering from other companies?
Where is it made?
And what is the guaranteed analysis? Is this adequate for your pup?

kjc · 03-09-2012, 07:44 AM

Vegetable broth is the first (and largest portion) ingredient. Brown rice can be hard on a dog's digestive system (great for people though). Food starch and guar gum to thicken (?).

A better food would have a meat listed as the first ingredient.

gracielove · 03-09-2012, 09:28 AM

The sugar would be a major factor to me. It contributes to the decay of the pet's teeth as well as obesity. The lamb and chicken look OK but you have to consider the quality of the ingredients as well. Vegetable broth as a first ingredient is also concerning. That is the main substance of your dog's diet and I don't think vegetable broth would contribute much to your dog's health. Lamb and chicken sounds good but labeling of pet food is deceptive. They can put any part of an animal in that food and call it lamb or chicken or whatever. Many food companies take advantage of these rules, there is no oversight. The pet food industry is self regulating.

Salt should not be put in pet food. I encourage you to google tricalcium phosphate. It is questionable why they would put it in a pet food. Guar gum is probably being used as a thickening agent for the ingredients. There are a lot of synthetic vitamins and some minerals added. Truthfully if the food was nutritious it would not need a great deal of added nutrients. If you don't know what an ingredient listed on you list is then google it or use a search engine that you like. The information is usually easy to find.

As we know sugar is addicting. Putting sugar or some form of glucose in pet food helps to get the animal to eat a food that they would not normally eat and they get addicted to it.

The pet food industry is very complicated. Advertizing can be so deceptive. You have to be careful about what you are reading and who has put out the information. Hope you find what you are looking for.

Cherie6446 · 03-09-2012, 09:52 AM

After looking at the ingredients next check the fat content and protein %. Just coming off pancreatitis attack yesterday with Zoey I'm even more concerned with the fat content. Also, I check to make sure no part of it comes from China.

kjc · 03-09-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kjc

Vegetable broth is the first (and largest portion) ingredient. Brown rice can be hard on a dog's digestive system (great for people though). Food starch and guar gum to thicken (?).

A better food would have a meat listed as the first ingredient.

I didn't even see the sugar and salt the first time I read this, lol. Yes, those are not good either.

Ellie May · 03-09-2012, 10:10 AM

JMO - the only reason vegetable broth is the first ingredient is because canned food has to have a liquid base. Most other companies use water ("water" or "water sufficient for processing") as the first ingredient. I think it's just a replacement.

lynzy420 · 03-09-2012, 10:26 AM

This product is made by Natures Recipe and has "human grade" on the can.

lovespandp · 03-09-2012, 10:29 AM

Just a question why are you feeding wet food?

I don't feed Pnut wet food, I don't think there is a need for it. I do feed him mashed up sweet potato's or baby food, I get the organic baby food- I always get the carrots, sweet potato or bananas ( no onion no garlic)

I have to give him a pill everyday for his LP, So those are his choices in what he gets. I use to give him wet food, but I noticed he was getting kinda chunky and I just don't think wet food is right. I think it i kinda gross sitting on the shelve with the type of ingredients it has in it.

Ellie May · 03-09-2012, 10:30 AM

Human grade is not a regulated term, so legally it doesn't bind them to anything. The food is either "fit for human consumption" or "unfit for human consumption". If they won't guarantee you that it's "fit for human consumption", then they aren't using ingredients humans could (or should) eat. While opinions vary, it is not necessary for it to be fit for human consumption --- unless that's important to you and what you think you're paying for.

gracielove · 03-09-2012, 10:37 AM

Personally I would want a clean water for liquid. It's not telling you what is in the broth. Most broths have additional salt in them but there is no way to know even what types of vegetation is in the broth.

As mentioned "human grade" is another term that is not regulated.

lynzy420 · 03-11-2012, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Ingredients is way down on the list of considerations when choosing a food.

First:

What do you know about this company?
Do they do feeding trials (not just palatability trials) on their foods?
Who created this diet? Are they qualified to do so?
What is the company doing to try and ensure a safe product (batch after batch)?
Are they contributing anything to the field of animal nutrition or do their formulations come from back engineering from other companies?
Where is it made?
And what is the guaranteed analysis? Is this adequate for your pup?

Thanks for the info. this is a keeper, I've already printed it!
btw, this is a Natures Recipe food.

lynzy420 · 03-11-2012, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Human grade is not a regulated term, so legally it doesn't bind them to anything. The food is either "fit for human consumption" or "unfit for human consumption". If they won't guarantee you that it's "fit for human consumption", then they aren't using ingredients humans could (or should) eat. While opinions vary, it is not necessary for it to be fit for human consumption --- unless that's important to you and what you think you're paying for.

Thanks this is very valuable and interesting information, another thing I learned on YT!

lynzy420 · 03-11-2012, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gracielove

Personally I would want a clean water for liquid. It's not telling you what is in the broth. Most broths have additional salt in them but there is no way to know even what types of vegetation is in the broth.

As mentioned "human grade" is another term that is not regulated.

Your right how would we know? Very interesting and wondering how they get away with this?

03-09-2012, 07:26 AM	#1
lynzy420 Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Posts: 7,652	pick this apart for me, please I've been doing alot of research on nutrition and met with a nutritionist etc., I'm actually burned out from this research... This is the ingredients from FARM STAND SELECT CANNED FOOD, this has been Miss Mini's regular and very very very favorite food for most of her life, please tell me why this is NOT GOOD FOR HER?? Vegetable broth, lamb, chicken, sweet potatoes, brown rice, green beans, food starch, tomato paste, tricalcium phosphate, sugar, guar gum, potassium chloride, salt, vegetable oil, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, niacin supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, biotin supplement, riboflavin supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, beta-carotene, folic acid), minerals (zinc glycine complex, iron glycine complex, copper glycine complex, manganese glycine complex, sodium selenite, potassium iodide), choline chloride, parsley, magnesium oxide. __________________ The Above advice/comments/reviews are my personal opinions based on my own experience/education/investigation and research and you can take them any way you want to......Or NOT!!!

03-09-2012, 07:37 AM	#2
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Im not a food expert but that doesnt look like a bad food to me. It doesnt have corn or meat by products in it and a meat is the 2nd and 3rd ingredient. I will be curious what others have to say but I agree I looked into nutrition when I was considering home cooking and it was too much for me __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

03-09-2012, 07:40 AM	#3
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Ingredients is way down on the list of considerations when choosing a food. First: What do you know about this company? Do they do feeding trials (not just palatability trials) on their foods? Who created this diet? Are they qualified to do so? What is the company doing to try and ensure a safe product (batch after batch)? Are they contributing anything to the field of animal nutrition or do their formulations come from back engineering from other companies? Where is it made? And what is the guaranteed analysis? Is this adequate for your pup? __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

03-09-2012, 07:44 AM	#4
kjc I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 18,872	Vegetable broth is the first (and largest portion) ingredient. Brown rice can be hard on a dog's digestive system (great for people though). Food starch and guar gum to thicken (?). A better food would have a meat listed as the first ingredient. __________________ Kat Chloe Lizzy PeekABooTinkerbell SapphireInfinity

03-09-2012, 09:52 AM	#6
Cherie6446 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: SoCA Posts: 1,895	After looking at the ingredients next check the fat content and protein %. Just coming off pancreatitis attack yesterday with Zoey I'm even more concerned with the fat content. Also, I check to make sure no part of it comes from China. __________________ RIP my darling little Gina

03-09-2012, 09:28 AM	#5
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	The sugar would be a major factor to me. It contributes to the decay of the pet's teeth as well as obesity. The lamb and chicken look OK but you have to consider the quality of the ingredients as well. Vegetable broth as a first ingredient is also concerning. That is the main substance of your dog's diet and I don't think vegetable broth would contribute much to your dog's health. Lamb and chicken sounds good but labeling of pet food is deceptive. They can put any part of an animal in that food and call it lamb or chicken or whatever. Many food companies take advantage of these rules, there is no oversight. The pet food industry is self regulating. Salt should not be put in pet food. I encourage you to google tricalcium phosphate. It is questionable why they would put it in a pet food. Guar gum is probably being used as a thickening agent for the ingredients. There are a lot of synthetic vitamins and some minerals added. Truthfully if the food was nutritious it would not need a great deal of added nutrients. If you don't know what an ingredient listed on you list is then google it or use a search engine that you like. The information is usually easy to find. As we know sugar is addicting. Putting sugar or some form of glucose in pet food helps to get the animal to eat a food that they would not normally eat and they get addicted to it. The pet food industry is very complicated. Advertizing can be so deceptive. You have to be careful about what you are reading and who has put out the information. Hope you find what you are looking for.

03-09-2012, 10:10 AM	#8
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	JMO - the only reason vegetable broth is the first ingredient is because canned food has to have a liquid base. Most other companies use water ("water" or "water sufficient for processing") as the first ingredient. I think it's just a replacement. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

03-09-2012, 10:26 AM	#9
lynzy420 Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Posts: 7,652	additional information This product is made by Natures Recipe and has "human grade" on the can. __________________ The Above advice/comments/reviews are my personal opinions based on my own experience/education/investigation and research and you can take them any way you want to......Or NOT!!!

03-09-2012, 10:29 AM	#10
lovespandp ♥Momma's Bambino♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ca Posts: 10,026	Just a question why are you feeding wet food? I don't feed Pnut wet food, I don't think there is a need for it. I do feed him mashed up sweet potato's or baby food, I get the organic baby food- I always get the carrots, sweet potato or bananas ( no onion no garlic) I have to give him a pill everyday for his LP, So those are his choices in what he gets. I use to give him wet food, but I noticed he was getting kinda chunky and I just don't think wet food is right. I think it i kinda gross sitting on the shelve with the type of ingredients it has in it. __________________ "People with nothing to hide don't usually feel the need to say so."

03-09-2012, 10:30 AM	#11
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Human grade is not a regulated term, so legally it doesn't bind them to anything. The food is either "fit for human consumption" or "unfit for human consumption". If they won't guarantee you that it's "fit for human consumption", then they aren't using ingredients humans could (or should) eat. While opinions vary, it is not necessary for it to be fit for human consumption --- unless that's important to you and what you think you're paying for. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

03-09-2012, 10:37 AM	#12
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	Personally I would want a clean water for liquid. It's not telling you what is in the broth. Most broths have additional salt in them but there is no way to know even what types of vegetation is in the broth. As mentioned "human grade" is another term that is not regulated.