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SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-23-2005, 08:47 PM

I know this isn't the common opinion among the members of this board but I am against routine spaying and neutering unless there is a good reason to do so. I believe and so does my vet, that all pets should keep their "parts" unless there is a good reason for them not to that is in their best interests and not those of the owners and/or society. I am a big advocate of animal rights and believe that unnecessary altering is not a good thing.

There are many websites you can go to to read more about this but I have not altered my two females who are 2.5 and 3.5 lbs because I think the risks of this painful and invasive surgery are not worth the benefits. These are the things that every pet owner must determine for their pet after fully educating themselves about the subject. You will meet many yorkie owners who have come to the same conclusion I have especially those with smaller yorkies.

My 3.5 lber has had one heat and it was no big deal, not a lot of mess and I just kept panties on her and restricted her to the house during that time to avoid any potential of unwanted pregnancy. My male came to me alrealy neutered. I feel that the risk of pregnancy for a small house dog like a yorkie is almost nil which makes the arguments about pet over population not really apply for responsible yorkie owners who always know where their yorkie is. In other words, they do not roam the neighborhood freely and are not even outside unsupervised where another dog may accidentally get to them.

The arguments that it is healthier for the pet to be altered are not convincing for me as there are also cancers which occur at greater percentages in altered dogs as well as other maladies and again, for me, the high surgical risk does not outweigh the potential for one of these diseases occurring later in life.

You can go to www.neutering.org to learn more.

If money is an issue for you, then save the spay money until you know for sure that spaying is in your baby's best interests and not just being done because your vet and the humane society say it is what is best for society. Decide for yourself what is best for your baby. No one should judge you either way.

If you do decide to spay, look into the newest and least invasive procedures. There is a laporoscopy surgery now where they go through the belly button, their is tubal ligation where they cannot become pregnant but they keep all their organs and still have the normal healthy hormones operating,there is laser surgery where the surgery is faster and the time under anesthesia is less. The low cost spay and neuter clinics do not always do the necessary blood work or spend quality time with your baby. They save costs by having the doctor perform the surgery and monitor the vitals and the anesthesia and they don't always give pain meds. Your baby deserves the very best and that means at least two people during the surgery so that the vitals are closely monitored but seconds count in these situations. You want a doctor who is familiar with small breeds and one who is compassionate and won't think it is okay if your baby suffers through the pain to save some money on pain meds.

Obviously, these are just my thoughts and opinions and you must ultimately decide what is best for you and your little one. I will not judge you whatever you decide because only you know best. Good luck.

momof2yorkies · 11-24-2005, 07:18 AM

I agree with you on your views. It took me 6 years and getting a new male puppy in the family to convince me to spay our Kali. I am so glad we did it when we did only because after the surgery the vet told us it was lucky we got her in when we did because she already had begun to develope an infection in her uterus which we had no idea was going on. She did fine with the surgery she is only a 3.4 pound yorkie. When she got home she was on pain pills for 4 days and it was not a big deal to her. She did not appear to be in pain. She was back to her normal self within a few days. Like I said it took me 6 years to do this because I was scared for her , but in the long run I'm glad we did it.

sylvan · 11-25-2005, 07:16 AM

Responsible pet owners spay and neuter for many excellent and valid reasons and should not be dissuaded from doing so. Any competent vet can perform these routine procedures with very little risk to your pet. There is far more risk to the health of your pet in NOT having this done. A quick visit to any shelter or rescue will add another valid reason to the list. Accidents happen to even careful pet owners.
Spay and neuter.

Bentley&BitsysMom · 11-25-2005, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by teshia

My yorkie was just spayed on yesterday. Her name is CoCo and she is 3.6 pounds, she will be 6 months on December 1st. I was so devastated. I cried all day. I dropped her off at 8:00 am and they told me to pick her up at 6:00 pm. She looked so sad when I picked her up. Today she looks a little happier but it's hard. The vet told me not to let her lick or bite the scar because that's how they get infections. He also said not to let her run or play for the next 10 days. It's hard because for 10 days I have to keep my eyes on her at all times. Does anyone know any easier ways to get through the next 10 days, she was trying to lick the scar already? I don't know if I regret it yet, I'll keep you posted.

To answer your ??, I kept onesies bought in a baby department on Bitsy when she was spayed recently and cut a hole out for her tail. They work great! WELCOME to YT!!!! Keep us posted on how your baby is doing!!!

The last of the four girl pups I had was spayed this past Friday and all four of them did wonderful with their surgury, as did Bitsy. The hardest part is after about two days past surgury, they get their energy back and it's hard to keep them from jumping and playing!!!!

livingdustmops · 11-25-2005, 07:48 AM

[QUOTE=Bentley&BitsysMom]To answer your ??, I kept onesies bought in a baby department on Bitsy when she was spayed recently and cut a hole out for her tail. They work great! WELCOME to YT!!!! Keep us posted on how your baby is doing!!!

Great Idea using the onesies. I personally don't like the collars they put on the dogs because the dogs really don't like them and have a hard time adjusting to them. I have used little boy underpants and baby t-shirts but this idea is the best...Thanks.

Catrina · 12-08-2005, 01:34 PM

eh!! I just read one of the posts from a girl named Amanda..she posted in the "RIP" part.. she said her yorkie died from the gas they used on it before spaying/neutering it! This is pretty scary, maybe it isnt such a bad idea to not get my yorkie spayed... if something like that happened to me, I dont think I could ever live!! =(

hunniebunnie · 12-08-2005, 01:47 PM

anyone know what's the soonest i can have my puppy neutered?

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-08-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Catrina

eh!! I just read one of the posts from a girl named Amanda..she posted in the "RIP" part.. she said her yorkie died from the gas they used on it before spaying/neutering it! This is pretty scary, maybe it isnt such a bad idea to not get my yorkie spayed... if something like that happened to me, I dont think I could ever live!! =(

It is too big a risk for me with my girls and , for me, (everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves) the benefits do not outweigh the risks. I am responsible enough to prevent unwanted pregnancy and i don't have any unneutered males. They are all of 3 lbs each and are never out of my sight when i take them out. Both of my breeder who have 50 years experience between the two recommended against spaying. They KNEW I would never consider breeding them.

yorkieusa · 12-08-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Catrina

eh!! I just read one of the posts from a girl named Amanda..she posted in the "RIP" part.. she said her yorkie died from the gas they used on it before spaying/neutering it! This is pretty scary, maybe it isnt such a bad idea to not get my yorkie spayed... if something like that happened to me, I dont think I could ever live!! =(

All you have to do is go to a reputable vet that deals with toy dogs. That little doggie you read about was a "vet" working out of his house!

He surely did not have even the proper equipment and certainly not the proper personnel, since his wife was the assistant.

Choose a good, reputable clinic that deals with toy doggies. Go talk to them. There are tests they can do before they do the anesthesia to test her. Please do not be afraid of a common procedure. The key is choosing a reputable clinic and doctor and not trying to save money on the procedure.

Ponyup · 12-08-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hunniebunnie

anyone know what's the soonest i can have my puppy neutered?

I had my boy neutered at 19 weeks (as soon as my vet would do it). The general time frame is after 6 months, but it can depend on the size of your pup and the experience of your vet with earily neuter. Their are more risks incorporated with an early neuter so I would suggest waiting 5 months at least or as long as your vet recommends you wait.

PS my logan was 7.2 lbs when I got him neutered and didn't have any problems.

yorkieusa · 12-08-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hunniebunnie

anyone know what's the soonest i can have my puppy neutered?

I think it is not only age they consider, but weight as well.

I'm not positive about that, but I think it's correct. Plus, it depends on your vet. Why don't you go talk to him about it or call?

YorkieLady · 12-08-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sylvan

Responsible pet owners spay and neuter for many excellent and valid reasons and should not be dissuaded from doing so. Any competent vet can perform these routine procedures with very little risk to your pet. There is far more risk to the health of your pet in NOT having this done. A quick visit to any shelter or rescue will add another valid reason to the list. Accidents happen to even careful pet owners.
Spay and neuter.

I SO agree.... I had both my girls done several months ago and was a nervous wreck. Dixie weighed right under 5 lbs but Daisha is quite a bit smaller (barely under 3 lbs) and they both did fine. Dixie even tried to jump up on the couch the same night (scared me to death.... lol) Daisha moved a little slower for a few days, but I do not regret the decision. They both did just fine. I had a list of questions for the vet though and I bet I called them 10 times that day to check on my girls. Good luck in your decision and keep us posted on how it goes.

hunniebunnie · 12-08-2005, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkieusa

I think it is not only age they consider, but weight as well.

I'm not positive about that, but I think it's correct. Plus, it depends on your vet. Why don't you go talk to him about it or call?

i left her a message, but i'm being impatient. haha.

shelbysmom · 12-08-2005, 02:37 PM

We are all nervous when our pets go through this. No matter who does the procedure Isofloryn (sp) gas is the best for these little ones.

Shelby's surgery was much worse for me than her

I am so glad I had it done AND extra teeth removed at the same time. My vet said it's best before a heat so those hormones aren't released, which can lead to cancer. The advantage to waiting is it gives more time for adult teeth to come in.

I was told heat usually arrives 6-8 months?
maybe later for tiny ones.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-08-2005, 03:11 PM

My poor baby Hefner must have been neutered very early because when i got him at 12 weeks he was already "done".

11-24-2005, 07:18 AM	#17
momof2yorkies Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ohio Posts: 33	I agree with you on your views. It took me 6 years and getting a new male puppy in the family to convince me to spay our Kali. I am so glad we did it when we did only because after the surgery the vet told us it was lucky we got her in when we did because she already had begun to develope an infection in her uterus which we had no idea was going on. She did fine with the surgery she is only a 3.4 pound yorkie. When she got home she was on pain pills for 4 days and it was not a big deal to her. She did not appear to be in pain. She was back to her normal self within a few days. Like I said it took me 6 years to do this because I was scared for her , but in the long run I'm glad we did it. __________________ DENA MOMMY for 3 kids and 2 yorkies!!! http www.dogster.com/?185778

11-25-2005, 07:48 AM	#20
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	[QUOTE=Bentley&BitsysMom]To answer your ??, I kept onesies bought in a baby department on Bitsy when she was spayed recently and cut a hole out for her tail. They work great! WELCOME to YT!!!! Keep us posted on how your baby is doing!!! Great Idea using the onesies. I personally don't like the collars they put on the dogs because the dogs really don't like them and have a hard time adjusting to them. I have used little boy underpants and baby t-shirts but this idea is the best...Thanks. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

11-23-2005, 08:47 PM	#16
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I know this isn't the common opinion among the members of this board but I am against routine spaying and neutering unless there is a good reason to do so. I believe and so does my vet, that all pets should keep their "parts" unless there is a good reason for them not to that is in their best interests and not those of the owners and/or society. I am a big advocate of animal rights and believe that unnecessary altering is not a good thing. There are many websites you can go to to read more about this but I have not altered my two females who are 2.5 and 3.5 lbs because I think the risks of this painful and invasive surgery are not worth the benefits. These are the things that every pet owner must determine for their pet after fully educating themselves about the subject. You will meet many yorkie owners who have come to the same conclusion I have especially those with smaller yorkies. My 3.5 lber has had one heat and it was no big deal, not a lot of mess and I just kept panties on her and restricted her to the house during that time to avoid any potential of unwanted pregnancy. My male came to me alrealy neutered. I feel that the risk of pregnancy for a small house dog like a yorkie is almost nil which makes the arguments about pet over population not really apply for responsible yorkie owners who always know where their yorkie is. In other words, they do not roam the neighborhood freely and are not even outside unsupervised where another dog may accidentally get to them. The arguments that it is healthier for the pet to be altered are not convincing for me as there are also cancers which occur at greater percentages in altered dogs as well as other maladies and again, for me, the high surgical risk does not outweigh the potential for one of these diseases occurring later in life. You can go to www.neutering.org to learn more. If money is an issue for you, then save the spay money until you know for sure that spaying is in your baby's best interests and not just being done because your vet and the humane society say it is what is best for society. Decide for yourself what is best for your baby. No one should judge you either way. If you do decide to spay, look into the newest and least invasive procedures. There is a laporoscopy surgery now where they go through the belly button, their is tubal ligation where they cannot become pregnant but they keep all their organs and still have the normal healthy hormones operating,there is laser surgery where the surgery is faster and the time under anesthesia is less. The low cost spay and neuter clinics do not always do the necessary blood work or spend quality time with your baby. They save costs by having the doctor perform the surgery and monitor the vitals and the anesthesia and they don't always give pain meds. Your baby deserves the very best and that means at least two people during the surgery so that the vitals are closely monitored but seconds count in these situations. You want a doctor who is familiar with small breeds and one who is compassionate and won't think it is okay if your baby suffers through the pain to save some money on pain meds. Obviously, these are just my thoughts and opinions and you must ultimately decide what is best for you and your little one. I will not judge you whatever you decide because only you know best. Good luck.

11-25-2005, 07:16 AM	#18
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	Responsible pet owners spay and neuter for many excellent and valid reasons and should not be dissuaded from doing so. Any competent vet can perform these routine procedures with very little risk to your pet. There is far more risk to the health of your pet in NOT having this done. A quick visit to any shelter or rescue will add another valid reason to the list. Accidents happen to even careful pet owners. Spay and neuter.

12-08-2005, 01:34 PM	#21
Catrina I love my lil wolf! ;) Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 2,434	eh!! I just read one of the posts from a girl named Amanda..she posted in the "RIP" part.. she said her yorkie died from the gas they used on it before spaying/neutering it! This is pretty scary, maybe it isnt such a bad idea to not get my yorkie spayed... if something like that happened to me, I dont think I could ever live!! =(

12-08-2005, 01:47 PM	#22
hunniebunnie Follower of Yorkietology Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cali-fo-nee-ya Posts: 1,325	anyone know what's the soonest i can have my puppy neutered?

12-08-2005, 02:37 PM	#29
shelbysmom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,394	We are all nervous when our pets go through this. No matter who does the procedure Isofloryn (sp) gas is the best for these little ones. Shelby's surgery was much worse for me than her I am so glad I had it done AND extra teeth removed at the same time. My vet said it's best before a heat so those hormones aren't released, which can lead to cancer. The advantage to waiting is it gives more time for adult teeth to come in. I was told heat usually arrives 6-8 months? maybe later for tiny ones.

12-08-2005, 03:11 PM	#30
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	My poor baby Hefner must have been neutered very early because when i got him at 12 weeks he was already "done".