ratio/amount of chicken & rice

[Sweet Apple]

I'm thinking of transitioning Apple from RX i/d to boiled chicken and rice...Anyone know how what the ratio of chicken to rice is, and also, how much to feed, per day for a 5 1/2 lb. pup? Also, brown rice seems healthier, to me, but seems most use white?...Any input on that would be good too Thanks!

[LuluB]

My puppy wont eat the dog food period so i was wondering myself what else I could feed her.

[107barney]

Home cooked meals are formulated specifically for each dog. Brown rice is usually not recommended in dogs with digestive issues, although Barney ate brown rice and was fine. The protein to carbohydrate ratio changes per dog based on multiple factors. For specific amounts, including properly balancing the diet, I would consult w/ a board certified veterinary nutritionist.

[ladyjane]

Chicken and rice alone is not proper and balanced nutrition for dogs. If you don't want to feed dog food, I suggest having Dr. R. do a consult with the vet nutritionist at A&M.

[ladyjane]

Dr. R did a telephone consult with Dr. Bauer at A&M for my Cody. Here is a link to his information:

John E Bauer

The consult at that time was $150 and he completely reviewed all of Cody's history and put two recipes together for home cooking. It was very detailed and I was very happy with this. There was no prescription diet that fit Cody due to his having both renal and pancreatic issues.

[Sweet Apple]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Dr. R did a telephone consult with Dr. Bauer at A&M for my Cody. Here is a link to his information:

John E Bauer

The consult at that time was $150 and he completely reviewed all of Cody's history and put two recipes together for home cooking. It was very detailed and I was very happy with this. There was no prescription diet that fit Cody due to his having both renal and pancreatic issues.

Thanks Lin...This may be the way to go...I hadn't planned on leaving Apple on Chicken & Rice, as I knew it wasn't complete, I just haven't decided which way to go w/her diet?...She's still on RX i/d, for now, and doing well, but it isn't something I want her on for the rest of her life...I just wanted to see how she would do, first, off the RX i/d...I still don't know the ratios lol...I'm guessing 3-1 (chicken/rice)...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Sweet Apple

Thanks Lin...This may be the way to go...I hadn't planned on leaving Apple on Chicken & Rice, as I knew it wasn't complete, I just haven't decided which way to go w/her diet?...She's still on RX i/d, for now, and doing well, but it isn't something I want her on for the rest of her life...I just wanted to see how she would do, first, off the RX i/d...I still don't know the ratios lol...I'm guessing 3-1 (chicken/rice)...

I would ask the vet. Have you spoken with her about this? She may have some good ideas for you.

[viviansnickers]

Good luck Maggie....huggies to Apple!!!!

XOXO-
Viv

[jeanm1963]

I feed Laci Chicken and Rice, but I take dog kibble put it in the grinder and sprinkle it on , she also will eat kibble through out the day, she is VERY healthy.

[107barney]

If she is doing well on i/d, I would not change her off of it.
I home cook for my Daisy who has many issues only because she is a complicated dog who does not do well on the Hill's l/d diet. I cook for Barney because he has two life threatening acute attacks of pancreatitis and there is no commercial food available to lower the fat to the point where his vet nutritionist feels comfortable given his history. Teddy also eats home cooked food and he has no medical problems except for mild epilepsy and a mild tremor disorder that he was born with.

I think home cooking for healthy dogs is great if you are committed to it, and if you do it correctly, but for a sick dog or a dog who has had medical problems with digestion such as Sweet Apple, there is no way I would do it EVEN TEMPORARILY without the direct guidance from an experienced nutritionist who is also a Veterinarian and board certified in nutrition.

Please be careful with this - it sounds easy and simple to just cook up chicken and rice but not for sick dogs or dogs w/ a history of digestive problems. Every one of my dogs food is formulated at different amounts of protein, carbohydrate, fiber, and fat depending on age, overall body structure, medical history, breed, and many other factors a professional takes into account. Teddy for example is formulated at 11% fat which is lower than most commercial kibble for a dog w/ no problems because our vet nutritionist takes the breed disposition to pancreatitis into account in recommending said amount.

[Ellie May]

I concur with the above.

You want to switch her to chicken and rice only to switch her again shortly after? It is very possible that it will set her off. And you just added yogurt, right? That is risky in itself, particulary because it's dairy and a large portion of dogs are lactose intolerant (may not be as bad with yogurt, but the potential is still there).

I do understand the problem with rx foods, but after all we have been through with Ellie's diet, if she was feeling really well on an rx diet, we (including her vet) would be extremely happy.

I wouldn't say Apple needs to stay on the I/D for life. That is really up to your vet, or better yet a veterinary nutritionist and remains to be seen. But I'd be very careful with changing to chicken and rice with no veterinary oversight and then switching to something else and adding these other things in.

Remember that if she is taken off the I/D and/or things are switched up and she reacts to it, chances are she will need to go back on it for months to years and possibly for a life time.

Have you thought about talking to a nutritionist?

[John Stelting]

I cook my Yorkies food and use chicken and brown rice along with carrots, green snap peas and yellow squash.

I buy the chicken breasts in small packages and use 1 breast each time I cook the food. 1 cup brown rice, 1 med. size carrot and 1 med size squash and about 7 small green snap peas.

My Yorkies love it......... and cannot get enough.

I also mix in a supplement called Nupro... I only dip a spoon into the supplement and sprinkle it on top the food after I have warmed it. I put very very little on top each time I feed them.

Good luck

[107barney]

Originally Posted by John Stelting

I cook my Yorkies food and use chicken and brown rice along with carrots, green snap peas and yellow squash.

I buy the chicken breasts in small packages and use 1 breast each time I cook the food. 1 cup brown rice, 1 med. size carrot and 1 med size squash and about 7 small green snap peas.

My Yorkies love it......... and cannot get enough.

I also mix in a supplement called Nupro... I only dip a spoon into the supplement and sprinkle it on top the food after I have warmed it. I put very very little on top each time I feed them.

Good luck

I reviewed the website and looked at this product. It does not seem to contain all of the trace minerals a dog needs. I am curious about the labeling information as I was unable to locate it on the company site. Does the product labeling contain detailed information on the amounts of the ingredients?

Human grade supplements are usually recommended by veterinary nutritionists or the all-in-one product BalanceIt. Apple is a dog with digestive issues and should not be fed a home cooked diet without professional veterinary oversight.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by 107barney

If she is doing well on i/d, I would not change her off of it.
I home cook for my Daisy who has many issues only because she is a complicated dog who does not do well on the Hill's l/d diet. I cook for Barney because he has two life threatening acute attacks of pancreatitis and there is no commercial food available to lower the fat to the point where his vet nutritionist feels comfortable given his history. Teddy also eats home cooked food and he has no medical problems except for mild epilepsy and a mild tremor disorder that he was born with.

I think home cooking for healthy dogs is great if you are committed to it, and if you do it correctly, but for a sick dog or a dog who has had medical problems with digestion such as Sweet Apple, there is no way I would do it EVEN TEMPORARILY without the direct guidance from an experienced nutritionist who is also a Veterinarian and board certified in nutrition.

Please be careful with this - it sounds easy and simple to just cook up chicken and rice but not for sick dogs or dogs w/ a history of digestive problems. Every one of my dogs food is formulated at different amounts of protein, carbohydrate, fiber, and fat depending on age, overall body structure, medical history, breed, and many other factors a professional takes into account. Teddy for example is formulated at 11% fat which is lower than most commercial kibble for a dog w/ no problems because our vet nutritionist takes the breed disposition to pancreatitis into account in recommending said amount.

Originally Posted by Ellie May

I concur with the above.

You want to switch her to chicken and rice only to switch her again shortly after? It is very possible that it will set her off. And you just added yogurt, right? That is risky in itself, particulary because it's dairy and a large portion of dogs are lactose intolerant (may not be as bad with yogurt, but the potential is still there).

I do understand the problem with rx foods, but after all we have been through with Ellie's diet, if she was feeling really well on an rx diet, we (including her vet) would be extremely happy.

I wouldn't say Apple needs to stay on the I/D for life. That is really up to your vet, or better yet a veterinary nutritionist and remains to be seen. But I'd be very careful with changing to chicken and rice with no veterinary oversight and then switching to something else and adding these other things in.

Remember that if she is taken off the I/D and/or things are switched up and she reacts to it, chances are she will need to go back on it for months to years and possibly for a life time.

Have you thought about talking to a nutritionist?

Exellent feedback.

[John Stelting]

The container does have a list of all ingredients.

I agree that before switching your dog over to any other food you should consult your vet.