Buying a Puppy with Underbite?

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

It is impossible for a breeder to tell if a puppy is show potential until she about six months old.

Does your breeder show herself?

Originally Posted by YorkieJoy4Us

Not that I am aware of... She did breed Biewers last year.. but that wasn't as successful as she'd hoped. she's been helpful and not untrustworthy..looking to find find good homes for the pups etc.

I wondered how she'd know whether the pup was show/breed at 9-10 weeks.. so maybe just obvious defects that would preclude them later on tlike this one..? I don't know...

If you really want a show quality puppy, you need to go to a show breeder. If you don't, you are just paying a high price for a pet quality puppy.

"Show potential" is a marketing ploy just like "teacup", etc.

[YorkieJoy4Us]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

If you really want a show quality puppy, you need to go to a show breeder. If you don't, you are just paying a high price for a pet quality puppy.

"Show potential" is a marketing ploy just like "teacup", etc.

Ahhh.. so there was the "A-HA!" moment I was looking for...I didn't kow that.. or understand I should only be seekign show quality from show breeders.. but it makes perfect sense...

thank you Ladymom....

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

If you really want a show quality puppy, you need to go to a show breeder. If you don't, you are just paying a high price for a pet quality puppy.

"Show potential" is a marketing ploy just like "teacup", etc.

Excellent post, and I'm so glad I followed your advice when I was new to Yorkietalk!

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by YorkieJoy4Us

Not that I am aware of... She did breed Biewers last year.. but that wasn't as successful as she'd hoped. she's been helpful and not untrustworthy..looking to find find good homes for the pups etc.

I wondered how she'd know whether the pup was show/breed at 9-10 weeks.. so maybe just obvious defects that would preclude them later on tlike this one..? I don't know...

Now this does concern me. In my opinion, a good breeder breeds because of their passion for their chosen breed. This can takes years of dedication and is based on their desire to improve the breed, for them it's often a lifelong endeavor. These breeders don't quit after a year or two just because it wasn't 'successful' - especially if you mean monetarily successful. That is not why a true BREEDER breeds, it's why a GREEDER breeds.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to drag down your thread but I have to be honest. And I have to agree with the others - if what you truly want is show quality, you have to go to a show quality breeder to start your search.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Lol, I've been glued to this computer ever since I started looking for Joey, first how to find a breeder, then how to take care of my little boy, then I started spouting advice! I clean my house every four years whether it needs it or not; and Bonbon had a thread about Dyson vacuums, she got me motivated!

Oh sure, now you blame me, Nancy! Earlier you were thanking me for starting that Dyson thread. Did you get your new attachments yet? I've been waiting for your review.

Originally Posted by kdreamson

Not to mention the fumes! So quit cleaning already, I might get motivated by you and we don't want that!

Hey! I didn't start the trouble.....it was Sugarmamma who started a thread about the Hoover Floor Cleaner that got me sucked into the cleaning craziness. Luckily, I'm almost over with that phase in my life.

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

Nancy
I am attaching a weekly cleaning schedule. Please only adhere to this list. And don't let Bonbon lead you astray

Now where were you when all these cleaning threads started? You had the answer the whole time!!

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by YorkieJoy4Us

Ahhh.. so there was the "A-HA!" moment I was looking for...I didn't kow that.. or understand I should only be seekign show quality from show breeders.. but it makes perfect sense...

thank you Ladymom....

A puppy doesn't have to be "show quality" to be good quality.
Beamer isn't show quality, if he were his breeder would have kept him to add to her show dogs. But he is a very healthy, beautiful little "terrorist"

Just make sure that any puppy you buy is healthy, have him/her checked by your own vet when you get it.

Oh, Lil Bit has an overbite, and she often looks like she is smiling (maybe she is) I am lucky she hasn't cost us a fortune in health care, giving where my husband got her from. It has just been the usual annual check ups and teeth cleaning, except for 2006 when she had a bladder stone, and a few months ago she had to go to the Emergency vet, although we never did find out what was wrong with her at the time, and she is doing fine since.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by BonBon

Hey! I didn't start the trouble.....it was Sugarmamma who started a thread about the Hoover Floor Cleaner that got me sucked into the cleaning craziness. Luckily, I'm almost over with that phase in my life.



Now where were you when all these cleaning threads started? You had the answer the whole time!!

I might have known Lisa was the start of all the trouble

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BonBon

Oh sure, now you blame me, Nancy! Earlier you were thanking me for starting that Dyson thread. Did you get your new attachments yet? I've been waiting for your review.



Hey! I didn't start the trouble.....it was Sugarmamma who started a thread about the Hoover Floor Cleaner that got me sucked into the cleaning craziness. Luckily, I'm almost over with that phase in my life.



Now where were you when all these cleaning threads started? You had the answer the whole time!!

I've been so busy, I got the attachment Tuesday, and I've been using them for all sorts of tasks. I'll have to find the thread and give a review. I didn't know Sugarmamma started this whole thing, my hubby's really mad, I've been making him work too! Wait till he see what I've got planned for this weekend!

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I've been so busy, I got the attachment Tuesday, and I've been using them for all sorts of tasks. I'll have to find the thread and give a review. I didn't know Sugarmamma started this whole thing, my hubby's really mad, I've been making him work too! Wait till he see what I've got planned for this weekend!

Yeah, she started a thread on the Hoover Hard Floor Cleaner. Everyone raved about it, so I got one. It showed me how dirty my floors really were. That's what got me thinking that maybe I needed a (much) better vacuum than what I had.

Poor hubby! If you guys get finished....head over to my place.

[LuvTaycieGirl]

Originally Posted by salazark

My Sadie was a show potential puppy till her bite went off. That's the only reason that she was available to me as a pet (limited registration). I'm biased but I think she's absolutely beautiful. I'm attaching a picture. My breeder and I were talking after I'd had her a while and I was describing her personality. She was lamenting those teeth because she really has that "look at me" personality. I was agreeing with her and she reminded me that "those teeth" were the reason I had her. Personally I' believe that the way to go is to get a pet quality pup from a good show breeder. The things that keep them from showing aren't generally even noticable by "normal" people. I wanted a Yorkie that looks like the standard and I believe that's what I got. Most show breeders aren't going to sell you a potential show puppy with full registration unless they know you really well. I have my boy now that my breeder trusted me with as a potential show puppy. As much as she trusts me, he is co-owned by her unless or until we decide he's not going to show and have him neutered. I respect her for caring so much about her lines. I also have no desire to get into breeding. The trust goes both ways.

Ok seriously that picture of the GOREGOUS baby made my heart melt!!!!!!!!!! Oh my heck... you see I am slightly OBSESSED with christmas.... I am already planning "Taycie's" wish list...aka moms.. But Like I said what a BEAUTIFUL GIRL!

[salazark]

Originally Posted by LuvTaycieGirl

Ok seriously that picture of the GOREGOUS baby made my heart melt!!!!!!!!!! Oh my heck... you see I am slightly OBSESSED with christmas.... I am already planning "Taycie's" wish list...aka moms.. But Like I said what a BEAUTIFUL GIRL!

Thanks so much. That is my favorite picture of her. Our very good friends that keep "the kids" when we have to go out of town and can't take them with us had that picture made last year when they had her and gave it to us for Christmas.

[YorkieJoy4Us]

Thanks much everyone... I had reached the decision to pass on this little gal and allow someone else the opportunity to invite her into their loving home. Breeder was undestandably frustrated... but somehow she knew there were issues she needed to share, and we appreciated her doing so which allowed us to make the right choice for us.

Even if we opt for a pet quality pup.. you've all helped me understand what to look for and what type of breeder we should be in contact with.

Thank you so much.. :::wagging tail:::

[gemy]

Before I get into the underbite, and show quality or not. Let me ask you, do you know what the genetic health tests have been with the breeding dam and sire. The BATS, Cerf, Hips/elbows/knees OFA"D? Does the breeder know the defects in her line? Has she shared this information with you. Have you asked for it?


While it has been said many times in many threads, for those that may look up and get to this thread, the testing of parents, does not in any way guarantee a dog free of genetic defects, but no 1) insures you know the breeders commitment to insuring as best as possible the genetic health of her breedings.
I would be concerned about a few things here: why would this breeder offer you the pick of the litter? You are a self confessed newbie to the Yorkie world.
No 2. No breeder would sell a "show quality" dog at only 10-12 wks old. The breeder can't know that this is so at this early age.

Now I do understand, your desire to secure a very good representative of the breed, who is healthy and within the YT standard set by the YTCA. For an underbite at this price I would pass.

I would also pass if the genetic/health tests as mentioned above were not done, and or if the breeder couldn't tell you of any probems in her line, or the line she has bred from.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by gemy

Before I get into the underbite, and show quality or not. Let me ask you, do you know what the genetic health tests have been with the breeding dam and sire. The BATS, Cerf, Hips/elbows/knees OFA"D? Does the breeder know the defects in her line? Has she shared this information with you. Have you asked for it?


While it has been said many times in many threads, for those that may look up and get to this thread, the testing of parents, does not in any way guarantee a dog free of genetic defects, but no 1) insures you know the breeders commitment to insuring as best as possible the genetic health of her breedings.
I would be concerned about a few things here: why would this breeder offer you the pick of the litter? You are a self confessed newbie to the Yorkie world.
No 2. No breeder would sell a "show quality" dog at only 10-12 wks old. The breeder can't know that this is so at this early age.

Now I do understand, your desire to secure a very good representative of the breed, who is healthy and within the YT standard set by the YTCA. For an underbite at this price I would pass.

I would also pass if the genetic/health tests as mentioned above were not done, and or if the breeder couldn't tell you of any probems in her line, or the line she has bred from.

Great post!

[sugarmamma]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

I might have known Lisa was the start of all the trouble

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I've been so busy, I got the attachment Tuesday, and I've been using them for all sorts of tasks. I'll have to find the thread and give a review. I didn't know Sugarmamma started this whole thing, my hubby's really mad, I've been making him work too! Wait till he see what I've got planned for this weekend!

Originally Posted by BonBon

Yeah, she started a thread on the Hoover Hard Floor Cleaner. Everyone raved about it, so I got one. It showed me how dirty my floors really were. That's what got me thinking that maybe I needed a (much) better vacuum than what I had.

Poor hubby! If you guys get finished....head over to my place.

I see that you guys wait for someone to have a bit of computer troubles to POUNCE on them and lay all the blame