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08-24-2010, 06:27 PM | #1 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| Lepto outbreak in MI Bacterial Infection Killing Metro Detroit Pets - Video - WDIV Detroit And that's one good reason to never say that the vaccine shouldn't be used (imo)... This would be a residential and business area of Michigan. There aren't a ton of wooded areas/country areas. This owner had no idea that there was anything wrong until it was way too late. Not saying to vaccinate, but unfortunately I don't think it is a clear choice to skip it here.
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08-24-2010, 07:13 PM | #2 |
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| Wow! Thanks for posting this! My 2 boys get the lepto shot. |
08-24-2010, 07:43 PM | #3 |
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| Thanks so much for posting. I agree with you Ellie May. I always say it is a personal decision, as it is; however, when it is in your area I personally see no other solution. Especially if you have children or family members who are immunocompromised, as it can be passed from your pets to them. I feel sorry for this family. No one expects it to happen to them. |
08-26-2010, 08:15 AM | #4 |
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| Infection killing pets, and rats may be carrier - The Macomb Daily News: Breaking news coverage for Macomb County, Michigan Here's another article about it. Bumping to keep near the top.
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08-26-2010, 08:40 AM | #5 |
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| Awesome post ... We should never say never right ??? I hope more and more people get to see this ! XOXO
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08-26-2010, 10:05 AM | #6 |
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08-26-2010, 01:08 PM | #7 |
♥ love my girls!! ♥ Donating Member | Son of a gun!! So sad!!! And now I don't know what to do. Bella reacted to it when she had her 2nd vaccine as a puppy, so we haven't given anymore. If they react, you're not supposed to give it again, right?? And now we have a new puppy coming soon, so the question is, do I get her vaccinated?? It sounds like she noticed her dog was lethargic and then 6 days later the dog died. I wonder if she went to the vet right away?? Maybe if we notice a change and get right to the vet and get on antibiotics, we'd catch it??
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08-26-2010, 01:28 PM | #8 |
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| My cousin came down with lepto a couple of years ago, and it was nasty, nasty, NASTY! He is young, robust, and very healthy, not immunocompromised at all! It was touch and go for a while, and there was a strong possibility that he would be left with permanent damage, but he did come out of it mostly OK. I'm sure he must have been exposed on the job, he's a vet in New Zealand and his specialty is large animals so he deals with a lot of herds outdoors. My house is built on land that was used for cattle grazing only 4 years ago, and the dog park that we frequent was used for grazing only a year ago. You definitely have to weigh the risks on an individual basis.
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08-26-2010, 02:00 PM | #9 | |
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Unfortunately the infection is spreading throughout our country; in both our domestic and wildlife. Current research on our white-tailed deer population has shown that most of their blood work is coming back exhibiting antibodies, produced due to infection by Lepto. It is more prevalent then most of us know. I wish the best for you cousin. | |
08-26-2010, 02:21 PM | #10 | |
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| That is such a SAD story. Poor Maximo. That is just so incredibly devastating. Quote:
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08-26-2010, 02:34 PM | #11 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| No, a non-core vaccine should not be given again if it caused a serious reaction the first time (and usually that applies to less severe reactions also). We live....not far from where this is happening. The vaccine almost killed my girl the first time, so obviously she will not get it. But she is at risk everytime we go outside, so we pretty much don't want to walk her or anything now. sigh. I think (jmo) if it is not given (and there are many good reasons not to give it to small dogs), then maybe spending time where the bacteria is likely to be found is a bad idea (which is sad for the dog).
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08-27-2010, 12:22 PM | #12 | |
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Can we go over again where the bacteria is likely to be found (unless there is an outbreak, like in the Detroit area)?? We go out to potty: our yard is super small, not fenced, VERY near a major road, and less than 20 or so feet away is brush (grass/weeds, bushes, trees...what you'd expect to see in the country. I live on the outer edge of Milwaukee, but they preserved some "countryside" in the midst of the city. Just beyond the brush I was talking about is a trail that is for walking/jogging/biking. The trail is paved, and maybe 10 ft or so on either side is kept mowed...but you literally feel like you're in the country!) Very occasionally, we go out to play: In some spots on the trail I was talking about, they keep it mowed back much further...far enough that I feel very comfortable letting Bella off leash in these areas to run/play, and she has a pretty decent recall anyway, so I keep her away from the edges with vocal commands. But again, wildlife is around, and I'm sure they hang out in these areas too. For example, I see deer all the time just off the trail in the brush, and I've seen deer in some of the clearings they keep mowed too. We NEVER go in low areas that stay wet for any length of time after a rain, and we NEVER play near water of any kind either! And we NEVER go into the brush....EVER!! I feel like I make a really good attempt stay in safe places (or not???), but I also want her to be a dog! To always keep her indoors or never let her run in a mowed field would just kill me!! IF the places we go would be considered high risk (which, if anyone thinks they are, please let me know!!!), I can only think of 2 alternatives. 1) My vet suggested pre-medicating with a low dose steroid and antihistamine before the vaccine. I really would prefer not to have to give the vaccine at all, and I'm not sure pre-medicating would make me feel any better about it. 2) If Lepto is contracted by licking infected urine, couldn't we lessen our exposure by not playing on wet grass and by washing feet and faces when we get home from playing??
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08-27-2010, 03:12 PM | #13 |
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| I would hope the vets are testing to see exactly what strain of lepto is causing this. According to my vet, the lepto shot only works against 1 or 2 strains of lepto and there are at least 6 active strains out there (kind-of like the human flu vaccine). I know it is a topic for much debate, but the fact still remains that all toy breed dogs are at an extremely high risk of adverse reactions from this particular vaccination as well......
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08-27-2010, 03:37 PM | #14 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker | Great post in info.... Thanks for posting... we live about 1.5 west of there...People need to see this info...
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08-27-2010, 04:03 PM | #15 |
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| [QUOTE=bellasmomok;3253766]Bella's reaction was more mild...lethargy, fever, and severely painful injection site. Can we go over again where the bacteria is likely to be found (unless there is an outbreak, like in the Detroit area)?? Unfortunately the organism is everywhere here in the US, mainly from the urinary shedding of organisms from infected animals. I do not just mean rats, but also cats who are carriers of the disease, and our family pups who have not been diagnosed, who remain asymptomatic, yet are highly infectious. The current vaccine holds the predominate 4 out of the 230 various serovars which have been identified. Out of these 230 serovars, 8 are known to cause disease in both dogs and cats. The first 4 are the most commonly acquired bacterial infection in dogs. They are: Leptospira icterohaemorrhagiae, L. canicola, L. grippotyphosa, L. pomona, L. bratislava, L. automnalis, L. bataviae, L. hardjo, and L. grippotyphosa. In 2004, Wyeth Pharmaceuticals came out with a multi-strain vaccine that accounts for the top 4 infectious serovars. One of the main issues, is that not all pups who acquire the disease become symptomatic. In the 2007 Michigan study, 25% of the unvaccinated healthy dogs in a control group were found to have antibodies to Lepto. This indicates that at one point, the dogs were infected unknown to their owners. Here is my problem. When we take our pups out to healthy areas to play, our front yard, the dog park, the mall area; we never really know what dog has urinated in those areas. In consideration that most dogs are left unvaccinated and untreated, then we have to acknowledge that they are still subject to organism shedding in their urine. So despite our best efforts to take our pups to "safe" places where we do not see any rats or wild animals; what about the other infected dogs? A last thought to consider. Most of our pups will end up dying do to complications surrounding CIN, kidney failure. Lepto left unvaccinated and untreated will establish colonies within the kidney and liver and gradually, systematically, destroy the functionality of these two organs. So is the kidney failure do to old age, or is it do to Lepto bacterial infection? Last edited by lil fu fu girl; 08-27-2010 at 04:06 PM. |
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