purina EN questionable ingredients?

[kalina82]

Have you tried the the prescription royal canin limited ingredient? they have potato and duck, potato and venison, potato and whitefish, and potato and rabbit.

i think, back when i worked for a general practice in 2004-2006 ish, this food was made by a company called IVD (bought out by royal canin) and the vet i worked for prescribed it for IBD patients.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

Have you tried the the prescription royal canin limited ingredient? they have potato and duck, potato and venison, potato and whitefish, and potato and rabbit.

i think, back when i worked for a general practice in 2004-2006 ish, this food was made by a company called IVD (bought out by royal canin) and the vet i worked for prescribed it for IBD patients.

my dex was on ivd whitefish and potato when he came down with pancreatitis he was also on dd salmon and potato when he relapsed a year later with ibd so we tied his pancreatitis to ibd and vet said some dogs cannot tolerate white potato diets. There are some that feel white potato is inflammatory food yet sweet potato is not due to them being in two different nightshade families.

Each dog is different though just going by my experience as all 3 of my dogs vomit up steamed white potato as well. I use to pill my dd with white potato for a few years then she had an incident with metacam and now every time i try she vomits it up I have to pill her for soloxine and temarilp with Cod now.

[ladyjane]

Exactly what I was saying. Everyone has different opinions...and it can be confusing as hell.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Exactly what I was saying. Everyone has different opinions...and it can be confusing as hell.

yep and this is a VERY tough case situation Diet is going to be key in helping this little girl to get her on lowest dose of steroids as possible

I am not sure if i missed it but has vet talked about tylan powder at all? Some ibd dogs do well on this and better than steroid use - just asking as did not see answer about it on the other thread. I know she is a picky eater so that may not work as it is bitter tasting and she will have to make her own capsules

I just think a hydrolized diet where protein is broken down further may be best and two of us on the other thread have done well on hydrolized soy diets with dogs with similar situations.

I have no experience with EN myself it was never mentioned by internal medicine specialist she only recommended ultra z/d, dd diets, and purina ha when dex was so sick. He got sick on the dd diet so we went to purina ha. He did great on ultra z/d too which is also a hydrolized diet but he itched like crazy on it.

I can only suggest based on my experience but i was at the end of my rope too after a year of this off and on hospitalization

the foods dex ate were in the following order as follows

IVD white fish and potato - hospitalized for pancreatitis

I/D canned wet -relapsed after 5 days went in hospital for plasma transfusion due to pancreatitis

ground lowfat turkey and rice - lowest fat i could find - back in hospital for bacterial infection which can happen after pancreatitis

Came out on ultra z/d food - did great for 4 months but itched so we thought it would be ok to put him on

DD salmon and potato - was on it for 2 months back in the hospital with an ibd attack no pancreatitis per cpli

Came out on Purina HA and ims said last try before she scopes him to determine ibd for sure but she is 99% sure it is ibd causing all the issues but she will not prescribe meds without firm diagnosis bc steroids can set off pancreas.

Since on purina ha no issues other than like 3 vomitting attacks - 2 from a single tiny pea, one from a piece of yam the size of my pinky nail as i pilled dd with steamed yam and gave him a piece BIG MISTAKE. He gets nothing but purina HA

Now Dex never had diarhea and never had bloody vomit but you can see getting the right diet is key

also wanted to add she said if purina ha does not work I have to homecook and referred me to WWW.BALANCEIT.COM website as she was frustrated as much as i was as to why we could not get him balanced She is so happy he is doing so well and says to this day he was one of her toughest cases she had

[lil fu fu girl]

Kalina82 your experience in the field has been sorely missed here at YT! Your knowledgable information is always given freely to whoever needs assistance.

Ladyjane, I am with you! When it comes to recommending a specific food for someones else pet, confusion abounds. Yet, your intellectual insight is always a source of education, for both novice and scholar.

Dwerten, where do I begin...your poor little pup! You have gone through so much with your little one(s) and yet you bring to the table a commitment to educate and enlighten others through your vast array of knowledgable experiences.

I sit here thankful, for all the education, research, and heartfelt encouragement that all of you, and many others here, bring to the YT family. It is a joy to be able to discuss these topics with others who are so devoted to the sharing of education in promotion of our pups health.

Now off to my finals... have a wonderful evening ladies.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl

Kalina82 your experience in the field has been sorely missed here at YT! Your knowledgable information is always given freely to whoever needs assistance.

Ladyjane, I am with you! When it comes to recommending a specific food for someones else pet, confusion abounds. Yet, your intellectual insight is always a source of education, for both novice and scholar.

Dwerten, where do I begin...your poor little pup! You have gone through so much with your little one(s) and yet you bring to the table a commitment to educate and enlighten others through your vast array of knowledgable experiences.

I sit here thankful, for all the education, research, and heartfelt encouragement that all of you, and many others here, bring to the YT family. It is a joy to be able to discuss these topics with others who are so devoted to the sharing of education in promotion of our pups health.

Now off to my finals... have a wonderful evening ladies.

That was so kind and thanks for all your info and insight as well as sometimes with a tough case it takes a team of people to narrow things down.

Trust me I wish I did not know any of this as that would mean my dogs would have had no issues and i could just go play games on here and look at pics lollll

[ally173]

[QUOTE=dwerten;3133024]yep and this is a VERY tough case situation Diet is going to be key in helping this little girl to get her on lowest dose of steroids as possible

I am not sure if i missed it but has vet talked about tylan powder at all? Some ibd dogs do well on this and better than steroid use - just asking as did not see answer about it on the other thread. I know she is a picky eater so that may not work as it is bitter tasting and she will have to make her own capsules

he didnt mention tylan powder
and u are right; it will be hell giving her the powder; she's very picky and barely eats. she's eating now because of the prednisone; but once this is decreased her appetite takes a dive. so i am suffering with her on every level.

[ally173]

Originally Posted by dwerten

That was so kind and thanks for all your info and insight as well as sometimes with a tough case it takes a team of people to narrow things down.

Trust me I wish I did not know any of this as that would mean my dogs would have had no issues and i could just go play games on here and look at pics lollll

thanks everyone for sticking with me and ava; i wish i can find an answer or a good diet. i keep looking at the websites to see if i can find a good food; but they all have so many ingredients. the only one that has only one or few is evangers dog food. any feedback about it?
thanks

[dwerten]

[quote=ally173;3133305]

Originally Posted by dwerten

yep and this is a VERY tough case situation Diet is going to be key in helping this little girl to get her on lowest dose of steroids as possible

I am not sure if i missed it but has vet talked about tylan powder at all? Some ibd dogs do well on this and better than steroid use - just asking as did not see answer about it on the other thread. I know she is a picky eater so that may not work as it is bitter tasting and she will have to make her own capsules

he didnt mention tylan powder
and u are right; it will be hell giving her the powder; she's very picky and barely eats. she's eating now because of the prednisone; but once this is decreased her appetite takes a dive. so i am suffering with her on every level.

yeah i remember her being pick the pred definitely increases their appetite and why i have to measure dd food out as she would eat the whole bag of food in one hour if she could lolll

I think you should at least chat with vet about tylan powder as they have tiny capsules you can make - I have a website as i almost bought the capsule maker myself if i had to go that route with dd after this past years nightmare. My friend on here Cyndi and izzy she bought it and uses it for izzy who has ibd. She is not on here much anymore though

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

thanks everyone for sticking with me and ava; i wish i can find an answer or a good diet. i keep looking at the websites to see if i can find a good food; but they all have so many ingredients. the only one that has only one or few is evangers dog food. any feedback about it?
thanks

I have heard of it but not for ibd dogs

the ones i have heard for ibd are the ones below my ims gave me options, homecooking and natural balance venison and sweet potato.

[ally173]

do you know if oatmeal is easier to digest than rice. would it be better for her

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

do you know if oatmeal is easier to digest than rice. would it be better for her

I will ask on k9kitchen and post answer

[ally173]

what is the difference between Highly digestible [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]diets[/COLOR][/COLOR] vs hydrolyzed diets?
ie purian Ha and purian EN

thanks

[msanna]

My Ben has IBD and my Rico has grain allergies along with epilepsy.

We give no table food of any sort. That is the biggest help for his condition. Now, he rarely has flares (only if he gets stressed during long car trips, etc). They are now on the GRAIN FREE Taste of The Wild, the high prairie forumula. I don't like the Hill's diets and others that contain BHA, BHT as my yorkie has allergies that triggers his seizures.

We had issues lowering the prednisone dose and had to step back up several times and just give it a few more months. Then try lowering it again. Finally 2yrs later he was off, except when he flares (rarely).

[ally173]

Originally Posted by msanna

My Ben has IBD and my Rico has grain allergies along with epilepsy.

We give no table food of any sort. That is the biggest help for his condition. Now, he rarely has flares (only if he gets stressed during long car trips, etc). They are now on the GRAIN FREE Taste of The Wild, the high prairie forumula. I don't like the Hill's diets and others that contain BHA, BHT as my yorkie has allergies that triggers his seizures.

We had issues lowering the prednisone dose and had to step back up several times and just give it a few more months. Then try lowering it again. Finally 2yrs later he was off, except when he flares (rarely).

thanks
u see each dog reacts differently to the food
ava will have reactions to these in the TOW "lamb meal, chicken meal, egg product, sweet potatoes, peas, potatoes"
wow 2 years on prednisone; any other meds?
can u tell me more about ur experience with prednisone; so i can have an idea. thanks