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10-23-2009, 07:15 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Jersey
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| Double vaccinations? My neighbor just got a Yorkie after falling in love with my Yogi. Unfortunately, she didn't get any shot records for her dog. The person claimed that they couldn't find them but assured her that she had been vaccinated. My neighbor is now freaking out because she doesn't want to vaccinate the dog twice. Personally, I would rather be safe than sorry, but I understand her concern about double vaccination. Any advice? |
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10-23-2009, 07:17 AM | #2 |
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| How old is the pup? When in doubt, vaccinate or do titers. I'd much rather see a dog get too many pup shots than too few. The numbers of times they need to be given really depends on the age though.
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10-23-2009, 07:18 AM | #3 | |
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10-23-2009, 07:24 AM | #4 |
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| She said she was a year and a half..but I'm not sure if she even knows if she didn't get any kind of papers. |
10-23-2009, 07:28 AM | #5 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| At that age, doing titers may be a good option. However, if it was mine, I'd go ahead with probably two sets of DHPP four weeks apart, rabies on a different day (at least 2 weeks between DHPP and rabies), bordatella if needed and lepto if needed (which is a whole 'nother thread). The person who owned this dog before would have to remember what vet they took the dog to though. The vet can pull the records up unless the person gave their own shots. Even if that's the case, the vet would have had to give rabies.
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10-23-2009, 07:28 AM | #6 |
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| She got her dog from a family who supposedly got the dog from a breeder. I'm pushing for her to get her dog vaccinated, but I pray nothing happens to her. |
10-23-2009, 07:32 AM | #7 | |
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What most people fail to realize is that even with vaccinations your dog can contract infections that you're vaccinating against....
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10-23-2009, 07:36 AM | #8 |
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| I'm actually having about the same problem. The friend I got Gordon from took him to a vet that was like an hour away from where I live. She swore to me up and down that she gave me the shots when she gave me the puppy, but I'm sure all she gave me was the CKC papers. So, to avoid conflict, I called the vet to see if they could send me a copy, and all they can do is fax... I'm pretty sure she wouldn't lie to me about the vaccinations he did get, though. So I'm hoping the new vet I take him to won't demand shot records.
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10-23-2009, 07:41 AM | #9 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Jersey
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| Just texted her asking who the vet was.....She said that the guy can't remember!!!!! How can you not remember who your dog's vet was??? I wasn't aware of that....it sounds like maybe this dog wasn't vaccinated at all. I wonder if it has ever had shots? |
10-23-2009, 08:46 AM | #10 | |
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Dr. Ronald Schultz, in discussing the value of vaccine titer testing, these tests “show that an animal with a positive test has sterilizing immunity and should be protected from infection. If that animal were vaccinated it would not respond with a significant increase in antibody titer, but may develop a hypersensitivity to vaccine components (e.g. fetal bovine serum). Furthermore, the animal doesn’t need to be revaccinated and should not be revaccinated since the vaccine could cause an adverse reaction (hypersensitivity disorder). You should avoid vaccinating animals that are already protected. Protection as indicated by a positive titer result is not likely to suddenly drop-off unless an animal develops a medical problem such as cancer or receives high or prolonged doses of immunosuppressive drugs. If she does vaccinate, with or without a titer being done, the good news is that since her yorkie is a year and a half old, she does not have to do three doses for each virus.....Only one of each is required......If a dog is vaccinated after the age of six months the natural immunity they have is gone, therefore there is no risks of the vaccine being blocked. This is why three are typically done, they are done way too soon.....The answer is not to vaccinate earlier or more frequently, but to vaccinate scientifically. Earlier vaccination is clearly a doomed strategy, because maternal antibody wears off over time, and the puppy would have had more, not less, maternal antibody at a younger age....... This is from Dr. Dodds...... "Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces immunity, which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo,feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced. "J Dodds, DVM This is from The AAHA..... Multiple vaccinations with MLV vaccines are required at various ages only to ensure that one dose of the vaccine reaches the puppy's immune system without interference from passively acquired antibody. Two or more doses of killed vaccines (except rabies) and vectored vaccines are often required to induce an immune response, and both doses should be given at a time when the passively acquired antibody can no longer interfere. Thus, when puppies are first vaccinated at 16 weeks (or more) of age (an age when passively acquired antibodies generally don't cause interference), one does of an MLV vaccine, or two doses of a killed vaccine, are adequate to stimulate an immune response." (American Animal Hospital Association) She should never do a combo vaccine.....The risk of adverse reactions is greatly increased and they contain useless and unnecessary components......This is from Dr J Dodds...... Renowned pet vaccination expert Dr. Jean Dodds has written about combo shots (she calls them combo whombos) that they: “can overwhelm the immunocompromised or even a healthy host…. The recently weaned young puppy or kitten being placed in a new environment may be at particular risk.” This means: no combo shots for small dogs — or any other dog for that matter. And NEVER EVER GIVE ANY OTHER SHOT — ESPECIALLY A RABIES SHOT — WITHIN 3 WEEKS OF A COMBO. This also means no Bordetella given nasally. Giving rabies and Bordetella with a combo could mean as many as 9 shots in one day. Some dogs don’t survive this. This is a nice schedule from Dr. Dodds it lists core and non- core vaccines..... Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs
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10-23-2009, 09:22 AM | #11 |
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10-23-2009, 10:17 AM | #12 | |
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Thanks everyone for your help!! | |
10-23-2009, 10:53 AM | #13 |
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| Did the dog come with a Rabies tag on the collar? If yes, any vet's office can look up the number and tell you where the vaccine was done, some list their name on the tag. I'm assuming not, though. Or, if you know the previous owner's name, call around to any local vets for any info. I've done this for a dog and a cat I adopted from the Humane Society, to find info on them, prior lab test results, etc so I didn't have to pay for duplicate procedures. They were all very helpful.
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