Does your premium dog food contain Ethoxyquin? - Page 5 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

jp4m2 · 09-23-2009, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by enlighten60

I wrote Chicken soup and this is what was said to me.
Dear Marcina,

Thank you for your inquiry.

The Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover’s Soul products are excellent quality formulas. They provide optimal nutrition for overall good health and do not contain anything harmful.

Fish meal is required by law to be preserved with ethoxyquin. Ethoxyquin is most effective at preventing rancidity in the highly volatile fish meal. Rancidity in ingredients can lead to severe illness.

Most of the ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process, requiring other preservatives to be used. Tests for ethoxyquin are run routinely on Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover’s Soul products. The results are typically less than 2ppm. The amount allowed, and considered to be safe, by the FDA is 75ppm.

Fish meal is an important ingredient that provides quality amino acids and omega-3 fatty acids. These nutrients are important for all aspects of a healthy life, including great skin and coat, control of inflammation and a strong immune system.

Sincerely,
Dr. Brookshire

I must say that looks like typical damage control from a company when trying to skirt an issue.....The pet food manufactures on the safe list appeared to have no problem having their fish meal supplier apply for the Special Permit that allows them to use an alternative preservative other than ethoxyquin. So to claim it is the law that they have to use it is a half truth.....

The author of these articles has an 8 yr. old dog with bone cancer, the vet and the author firmly believe it was brought on by eating pet food with ethoxyquin. So to say you can consume a "safe" level of a toxic substance is ridiculous. What Chicken Soup reps fail to mention is the fact that a pet is exposed to ethoxyquin on a daily basis, not from a one time event. Therefore the exposure of their "safe" level now becomes a question of a cumulative level....

If you look at the list of foods using ethoyquin most are manufactured by the Diamond Pet Food Co. and all of them claim they do use ethoxyqion. In 2008 Diamond was also responsible for the many deaths of pets from using melamine ....

I wouldn't trust any foods made by the Diamond company, they can't be trusted. There are far to many companies out there that make good quality foods and have a better track record for safety....Why risk it.....

jp4m2 · 09-23-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimberly812

Quote: "Most of the ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process, requiring other preservatives to be used. Tests for ethoxyquin are run routinely on Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover’s Soul products. The results are typically less than 2ppm. The amount allowed, and considered to be safe, by the FDA is 75ppm."

First of all, there is a lot of speculation and questions as to whether or not ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process. However, she is STILL SAYING that there IS ethoxyquin in Chicken Soup - although she downplays it by saying it's only 2ppm!

I'm sorry - but ethoxyquin is a PESTICIDE - and it's a carcinogen...I don't care how small the amount is - I do NOT want my baby ingesting it!! I am quite sure that I could ingest gasoline at small amounts, too, and it be considered "safe" - but that doesn't make it a good idea! Argh!

exactly......

enlighten60 · 09-23-2009, 06:58 AM

what are the better foods ? I'm not sure about fish meal is that bad for dogs? can you help me with that

jp4m2 · 09-23-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by enlighten60

what are the better foods ? I'm not sure about fish meal is that bad for dogs? can you help me with that

I started a new thread with the foods in a "safe: list and an "unsafe" list.....Try checking the one there....

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...r-threads.html

There are some pet foods companies that did not get back to the author, I'm hoping they do because there are a couple on there I want to try....

Kimberly812 · 09-23-2009, 07:21 AM

enlighten - it's not the "fish meal" that's bad for our pets - it's HOW that fish meal was preserved.

I began feeding Zoe Nature's Variety raw medallions. I want Kramer (my JRT) to switch to that also - but he so far just doesn't like them. So I have him on the NV Instinct which he does like. Prior to getting Zoe - Kramer was on Canidae - which I only found out contained ethoxyquin because of the wonderful thread that was posted here on YT. I was absolutely SHOCKED as I had *thought* I had done my research and come up with a good choice. Then I found out from the thread that companies doen't have to list ethoxyquin if they didn't add it. To me that is shameful, sneaky and completely unethical. I actually told the owner of the store where I purchase my pet foods about it - and he, too, was shocked.

enlighten60 · 09-23-2009, 07:39 AM

I wanted to try the chicken soup, because it helped a lot with your dogs coat. but I not willing to kill her at the same time . Sophie coat is not long none does it have the glow as alot of yorkies that I see. do you know what I can do for her coat?

Izzy Princess · 09-23-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by enlighten60

I wanted to try the chicken soup, because it helped a lot with your dogs coat. but I not willing to kill her at the same time . Sophie coat is not long none does it have the glow as alot of yorkies that I see. do you know what I can do for her coat?

I have Izzy on The Honest Kitchen along with steamed Tilapia. Cosmo is on the Nature's Variety medallions and Prairie.

I'll tell you besides good food to get a wonderful and shiny coat is to use BioGroom's Mink Oil spray and then I also get The Honest Kitchen's Sparkle which is great for their coats and all natural. I have to be careful in what I get as Izzy has pancreatitis/SIBO/IBD.

jp4m2 · 09-23-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by enlighten60

I wanted to try the chicken soup, because it helped a lot with your dogs coat. but I not willing to kill her at the same time . Sophie coat is not long none does it have the glow as alot of yorkies that I see. do you know what I can do for her coat?

I don't blame you for not wanting to use Chicken Soup if it contains a chemical that can turn out to give your dog cancer......The one good thing you can add to Sophie's diet that is good for many things including skin and coat is fish oils....But with everything else out there there are good ones and not so good ones....A lot of fish oils don't contain any Vit. E which should be added at the same time as the fish oil. Some supplements don't actually contain the amount of fish oil they claimed on the bottle and some contain inferior oils......

This is a good one to try......

Ark Naturals Royal Coat EFA Express -- 8 fl oz - Vitacost

yorkiemom08 · 09-23-2009, 09:03 AM

How about Halo?

enlighten60 · 09-23-2009, 09:53 AM

Is this for humans or for animals?
Thank you for your help I love T.Y.

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Originally Posted by jp4m2

I don't blame you for not wanting to use Chicken Soup if it contains a chemical that can turn out to give your dog cancer......The one good thing you can add to Sophie's diet that is good for many things including skin and coat is fish oils....But with everything else out there there are good ones and not so good ones....A lot of fish oils don't contain any Vit. E which should be added at the same time as the fish oil. Some supplements don't actually contain the amount of fish oil they claimed on the bottle and some contain inferior oils......

This is a good one to try......

Ark Naturals Royal Coat EFA Express -- 8 fl oz - Vitacost

jp4m2 · 09-23-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by enlighten60

Is this for humans or for animals?
Thank you for your help I love T.Y.

It's for pets....Not that it's couldn't be for humans...

jp4m2 · 09-23-2009, 10:09 AM

This is already in another posted in another thread but I thought I'd add it here too......

This is a response that Kimberly, a Y.T. member, received back concerning Nature's Variety pet food and their use of ethoxyquin. This food was not on any of the lists I provided but appears to be safe......I noticed the Nature's Variety rep stated ethoxyquin is not destroyed during the manufacturing process like some companies are trying to claim....Thank you Kimberly..

Thanks for emailing! There are no preservatives. There are some rumors floating around about fish meal and ethoxyquin preservation. First, ethoxyquin cannot be destroyed by manufacturing conditions and any manufacturer who makes this claim is incorrect.

Secondly, most rumors of ethoxyquin and fish meal preservation are from unsubstantiated websites (Dog Foods - Or What In The World Should I Buy? for example). The websites mentions the Code of Federal Regulations, and if you read the actual code carefully, it simply implies that fishmeal/fish scrap on a shipping vessel entering US waters/ports needs to be heavily preserved with an antioxidant, the recommendation being ethoxyquin.

This applies only to fish meal that is shipped; Nature's Variety fish meal is not shipped. Our fish is frozen at sea to prevent degradation and immediately processed into a fish meal once it reaches the manufacturing facility. We have a special contract to ensure our fish meals are naturally preserved.

Third, federal law requires all preservatives to be disclosed on the ingredient panel. We are a transparent, honest, and trustworthy company and comply with all state and federal laws. We test our products for synthetic preservatives to confirm that our suppliers are selling us high quality ingredients meeting our strict specs.

Sincerely,
Customer Service
Nature's Variety
Nature's Variety

enlighten60 · 09-23-2009, 10:14 AM

can you use human fish oil and vitamin E?

_Chrissy_ · 09-23-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jp4m2

I wouldn't trust any foods made by the Diamond company, they can't be trusted. There are far to many companies out there that make good quality foods and have a better track record for safety....Why risk it.....

I agree

As soon as I know it is a Diamond product I do not consider it as a choice.

Chicken Soup, TOTW, ...are Diamond products.
Someone here just got a big free box of Diamond products and they were in there.

_Chrissy_ · 09-23-2009, 04:02 PM

I do not see a post about Wellness products...
Do they use Ethoxyquin?

09-23-2009, 09:03 AM	#69
yorkiemom08 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 124	How about Halo? __________________ Paco's mom

09-23-2009, 10:09 AM	#72
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: w/ my boys Posts: 5,056	This is already in another posted in another thread but I thought I'd add it here too...... This is a response that Kimberly, a Y.T. member, received back concerning Nature's Variety pet food and their use of ethoxyquin. This food was not on any of the lists I provided but appears to be safe......I noticed the Nature's Variety rep stated ethoxyquin is not destroyed during the manufacturing process like some companies are trying to claim....Thank you Kimberly.. Thanks for emailing! There are no preservatives. There are some rumors floating around about fish meal and ethoxyquin preservation. First, ethoxyquin cannot be destroyed by manufacturing conditions and any manufacturer who makes this claim is incorrect. Secondly, most rumors of ethoxyquin and fish meal preservation are from unsubstantiated websites (Dog Foods - Or What In The World Should I Buy? for example). The websites mentions the Code of Federal Regulations, and if you read the actual code carefully, it simply implies that fishmeal/fish scrap on a shipping vessel entering US waters/ports needs to be heavily preserved with an antioxidant, the recommendation being ethoxyquin. This applies only to fish meal that is shipped; Nature's Variety fish meal is not shipped. Our fish is frozen at sea to prevent degradation and immediately processed into a fish meal once it reaches the manufacturing facility. We have a special contract to ensure our fish meals are naturally preserved. Third, federal law requires all preservatives to be disclosed on the ingredient panel. We are a transparent, honest, and trustworthy company and comply with all state and federal laws. We test our products for synthetic preservatives to confirm that our suppliers are selling us high quality ingredients meeting our strict specs. Sincerely, Customer Service Nature's Variety Nature's Variety __________________ B.J.mom to : Jake J.J. Jack & Joey, momma misses you..... The joy found in the companionship of a pet is a blessing not given to everyone. The two most powerful words when we’re in struggle: me too..

09-23-2009, 04:02 PM	#75
_Chrissy_ Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,561	I do not see a post about Wellness products... Do they use Ethoxyquin? __________________ Max (the Morkie) & Mickey (the Yorkie)

09-23-2009, 06:58 AM	#63
enlighten60 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ma Posts: 122	what are the better foods ? I'm not sure about fish meal is that bad for dogs? can you help me with that

09-23-2009, 07:21 AM	#65
Kimberly812 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NH Posts: 125	enlighten - it's not the "fish meal" that's bad for our pets - it's HOW that fish meal was preserved. I began feeding Zoe Nature's Variety raw medallions. I want Kramer (my JRT) to switch to that also - but he so far just doesn't like them. So I have him on the NV Instinct which he does like. Prior to getting Zoe - Kramer was on Canidae - which I only found out contained ethoxyquin because of the wonderful thread that was posted here on YT. I was absolutely SHOCKED as I had thought I had done my research and come up with a good choice. Then I found out from the thread that companies doen't have to list ethoxyquin if they didn't add it. To me that is shameful, sneaky and completely unethical. I actually told the owner of the store where I purchase my pet foods about it - and he, too, was shocked.

09-23-2009, 07:39 AM	#66
enlighten60 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ma Posts: 122	I wanted to try the chicken soup, because it helped a lot with your dogs coat. but I not willing to kill her at the same time . Sophie coat is not long none does it have the glow as alot of yorkies that I see. do you know what I can do for her coat?

09-23-2009, 10:14 AM	#73
enlighten60 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ma Posts: 122	can you use human fish oil and vitamin E?