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08-03-2009, 04:19 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indonesia
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| Food Suggestions Needed Hi all, YT has been an invaluable resource to me for the past year or so, but i have not had the chance to post much, as it is not accessible at work (and it sure doesn't help that i work 100-hour weeks).. I am yet again in need of advise.. I am going off to New York for an 8 week business trip next week, and will need to leave my babies (Charlie and Izzie) at my parents. I am currently feeding them a mix between freeze-dried raw in the mornings, prey model at night and free feed kibble in the bowl during the day (as per vet's instruction as Izzy and Charlie are both under 4 oz and prone to hypoglecemic attacks) My problem is Grandma and Grampa don't want to feed raw meats my babies as they have 2 yorkie pups who are on mix of kibble (artemis small breed puppy), canned (trippett lamb) and freeze dried raw (NV Chicken).. I tried and begged to my parents so that they will feed my babies raw, but my dad doesn't want to appear to differentiate the four dogs who will be under his watch.. I did consider leaving them at a pet's boarding house, but they don't have the facility to store the Raw RMBs, so i am really out of options there.. In the past when i leave my babies with my parents they usually eat 100% freeze dried with their kibble laid out as an option, but the longest i've ever been away from them is 3 weeks.. Unfortunately: 1. This time around my supplies of freeze dried raw, their current free-feed kibble and their favourite canned food (which i occasionally give) will not last the whole 8 weeks, so i need to find an alternative, be that kibbl and stock up before i leave. 2. I live in Jakarta, so my choices are very limited. FYI - i usually buy my freeze dried online (paying more in shipping than the actual price of the products, or i stock up when i am on business trips) 3. My two babies are extremely picky eaters who get bored around a month or two into their routine (which is why i rotate their freeze dried and protein source and body part for their RMBs on a daily basis) 4. They will only eat tiny sized kibble refuse to eat normal-sized kibble 5. Charlie is very sensitive to corn, wheat, soy and beetroot pulp, he can tolerate some amount of grains, such as those contained in Artemis small breed puppy 6. Izzie has a sensitive stomach, when the food doesn't agree with her she will either eat her poop or have the runs (but the diarhea only seems to happen with certain canned food, although i can't figure out the commonality) After scouring my favourite petshops and keeping in mind the list of food that they have tried below, my options are limited to: - Artemis Fresh Mix Small Breed Adult (how does this compare to the puppy one?) - Taste of the Wild (any suggestion on which variety?) - Wellness Core (any suggestion on which variety?) What would be your suggestions? How are the kibble sizes? Izzie just refuses to eat large kibble.. Plus has anyone tried Trippett's canned green tripe?? How does it compare to fresh raw green tripe? Charlie and Izzie will do anything and eat anything (even their icky herbal coat supplemets and omega oils) when mixed their fresh ground tripe, so i am thinking Trippett canned would be a good thing to mix with their kibble.. I am also open if you have any other suggestion based on what we have tried and discarded.. __________________________________________________ ___________ I am listing here the food (kibble, canned or otherwise) that we are using or have tried in the past and its adverse affect (if any) The freeze dried raw that i give them: - Nature's Variety: Lamb and Chicken (Charlie hates the venison one) - Stella and Chewy: any variety - Honest Kitchen: Embark (they won't eat any of the others) - Addiction: Perfect Summer Bushtail Current kibble: - Timberwolf: Wild and Natural Canned: - Merrick's Wingaling - Wellness 100% Salmon, Beef, Lamb, Venison - added to their HK Embark List of food that we have tried and liked, but i won't be able to source before i leave: - Fromm's Four Star Kibble: Surf&Turf (Izzy's favourite kibble), Salmon, Whitefish (Charlie can't get enough of this one, and despite him always polishing off his free-feed dish, he didnt gain weight) - Merrick canned: Puppy Plate (i think my parents have cleaned up the stock in Jakarta or thats what my pet shop told me) - Wellness small breed kibble (i received a sample of this when i ordered my S&C and they loved it, too bad this is the one wellnedd variety that is not imported into Jakarta) List of foods we tried and then discarded (please bear with me, this is a very long list, my picky eaters means that i am on a first name base with the dog pound manager): - Orijen Puppy (they loved it as puppies, when we tried it again as adult dogs, Charlie gained more than half his original body weight he couldnt jump onto the sofa!) - Artemis Small breed puppy (they loved it as puppies, when we tried it again as adult dogs, Izzie's weight almost doubled, she looked perpetually pregnant even though she wasn't) - Orijen Six Fish (kibble was way too big for them, they wouldnt touch it even when pulverized and when they did eat it their poop stank to the high heavens, this is what prompted me to switch to raw) - Instict Duck kibble (kibble was too large, and Izzie will eat her poop on this) - Instinct Chicken kibble (Izzie itched like crazy on this, i still can't figure out which ingredient caused this, as she is fine with eating other chicken kibble) - Instict Canned: lamb, chicken (Izzie had the runs on these) - Addiction Canned: all variety (Charlie wouldn't touch these) - Merrick Canned: any variety apart from the one above (either Izzie will eat her poop, or they won't touch it) - NV Prairie canned: any variety (stinky poop means Izzie will eat it, even when Solid Gold's SEP is added) - Wellness canned: any variety apart from the pure 100% meat ones will cause Izzie to eat her poop - Old Mother Hubarb canned: all variety (Izzie had the runs on these) - Chicken Soup for Puppy (Charlie gained a lot of weight on this) - Royal Canine Yorkshire (they had this when they went to dog school and mummy forgot to pack their NV freeze dried, Charlie ended up itching like mad and had dandruffs and a yeast infection that took 2 weeks to clear!!) - Royal Canine Baby dog (Izzie came with this, but went cold turkey on Orijen Puppy, which Charlie was on) - Science Diet small breed puppy (Charlie came with this along with bad dandruffs and a yeast infection, turns out he is highly allergic to corn. Just an offhand note, due to his allergies Charlie wasnt actually for sale, the breeder had intended to keep him as a companion I was looking at Charlie's sister who was, but i fell in love with Charlie who looked so lovely, quiet, calm and very lovable. After i told her that Charlie was dandruff and itch free when i switched him to Orijen, she switched her brood to a better food than SD (i think it was Eagle Pack Holistic) |
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08-03-2009, 06:55 PM | #2 |
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| WOW you're in quite the predicament! We rotate between NV Instinct, Wellness CORE, and Taste of the Wild. The Wellness CORE kibble is HUGE. I'm pretty sure it's one of the largest foods I've seen and I've heard many people complain about the size. TOTW kibble is smaller. I would say it's about a little bit bigger than Instinct Chicken but it's flatter. I don't know if that would work or not? We have tried all 3 flavors of TOTW and they love all of them. It seems like anything I would suggest has already been tried. Good luck on your search!
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08-04-2009, 04:03 AM | #3 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Littleton, NH
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| Innova EVO small bites is very small kibble. |
08-04-2009, 05:18 AM | #4 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indonesia
Posts: 11
| Thanks for the suggestions, but Innova is not available here.. In fact that was one of the food that i was ging to buy when i am in New York.. (That and some more Fromm's that they just love so much) My pet shop just called and told me they have the NV Freeze Dried on stock, but its US$35 for a small bag of 12 FD medallions.. And even then their stock will only last us 3 weeks, So even if i buy them all, i still need kibble supply for 4 weeks.. I am actually leaning more towards Artemis, as the kibbles are very small and my spoiled brats will still eat the puppy variety (they just get a wee bit fat on it).. The adult variety has lower fat content, so theoretically they should be ok, right? If not, then i guess i shall just try Wellness Core and pulverize them using my food processor.. Then have my dad smother Trippett over those pieces.. My babies are too spoiled for my own good.. |
08-04-2009, 05:27 AM | #5 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO
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| i have a home made raw diet that works great for us and you can make a super huge batch and store it in little cups for the freezer at your mom and dads. i would feed this stuff by itself, two-three times per day. leave the kibble of choosing out for free feed, but have them feed this mix if they will. look it over and see what you think. This is the recipe from my aunt's mom, who is a hobby dog nutritionist I usually double the batch: 1/2 lb lean ground beef (80% or leaner) 2 can sardines (or canned salmon of the same weight) 1 cup cooked rice 1/2 c. veg of choice (spinach, carrots, etc.) 2 large eggs (slightly cooked) 3/4 tablespoon bone meal 1/2 teaspoon potassium 1 tablespoon safflower oil = 1569 calories I find the sardines rather smelly - so I substitute 4 oz of cottage cheese or ground turkey (I usually do both!). My hubby hunts, so I sometimes replace the hamburger with deerburger. Do not substitute ground pork. Since I removed the sardines (a very important ingredient), then I squeeze a fish oil caplet every other day over her breakfast. I also add 1/3 childrens multivitamin daily (the ones without artificial sweetener). Feel free to add 1 oz of liver to the batch - its good for them. All human grade products. I get the bone meal and potassium from iherb.com. I first made a batch without all the supplements - just to see if Bailey liked it. SHE LOVED IT - so its been this recipe ever since! I serve one spoonful per serving (the larger spoons) twice a day. It doesnt seem like much - I know. I store it in 10 oz plastic containers about 3/4 full in the freezer- one container lasts about 3 days. Tip: I put the raw eggs in the hot rice and let it sit a while (hence partially cooked eggs) Good luck!!! Let me know if you need anything! |
08-04-2009, 05:28 AM | #6 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 5,748
| Raw recipe from my Aunt Karrie i have a home made raw diet that works great for us and you can make a super huge batch and store it in little cups for the freezer at your mom and dads. i would feed this stuff by itself, two-three times per day. leave the kibble of choosing out for free feed, but have them feed this mix if they will. look it over and see what you think. This is the recipe from my aunt's mom, who is a hobby dog nutritionist I usually double the batch: 1/2 lb lean ground beef (80% or leaner) 2 can sardines (or canned salmon of the same weight) 1 cup cooked rice 1/2 c. veg of choice (spinach, carrots, etc.) 2 large eggs (slightly cooked) 3/4 tablespoon bone meal 1/2 teaspoon potassium 1 tablespoon safflower oil = 1569 calories I find the sardines rather smelly - so I substitute 4 oz of cottage cheese or ground turkey (I usually do both!). My hubby hunts, so I sometimes replace the hamburger with deerburger. Do not substitute ground pork. Since I removed the sardines (a very important ingredient), then I squeeze a fish oil caplet every other day over her breakfast. I also add 1/3 childrens multivitamin daily (the ones without artificial sweetener). Feel free to add 1 oz of liver to the batch - its good for them. All human grade products. I get the bone meal and potassium from iherb.com. I first made a batch without all the supplements - just to see if Bailey liked it. SHE LOVED IT - so its been this recipe ever since! I serve one spoonful per serving (the larger spoons) twice a day. It doesnt seem like much - I know. I store it in 10 oz plastic containers about 3/4 full in the freezer- one container lasts about 3 days. Tip: I put the raw eggs in the hot rice and let it sit a while (hence partially cooked eggs) Good luck!!! Let me know if you need anything! SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST COMP. GLITCH Last edited by RachelandSadie; 08-04-2009 at 05:29 AM. Reason: double post |
08-04-2009, 07:19 AM | #7 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | The difference in fat content btwn Puppy and Adult in Artemis is 2% -- so if that is what will work for you (for now), I'd probably just do it.
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08-04-2009, 05:45 PM | #8 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indonesia
Posts: 11
| Wylie's Mom - Thanks a lot!! I am getting a small bag from a friend tonight, so i'll have to test it out and see if they are willing to eat that or not.. Hopefully this will be the solution for my time away.. RachelandSadie That recipe looks interesting.. i tried making my own homemade raw meals when i first started, but they wouldnt eat it.. :-( i had to add a significant amount of green tripe to tempt them.. I am going to try your recipe this weekend, and if they like it this may mean that it will cut down my cost of buying my freeze dried food considerably! Btw, do you think fresh salmon would be a good substitute for the canned fish? Believe it or not it is cheaper for me to buy fresh salmon than canned plain salmon or sardines (no sauce)!! |
08-04-2009, 05:55 PM | #9 | |
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