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06-10-2009, 10:11 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Surprise, AZ
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| Clomicalm- reviews? A little back story (sorry, I've been a gone a looooong time). So, we've owned our male Yorkie for about 4 years and have had steady problems with his behavior for nearly all of the 4 years. Some of his problems include (but not limited to): 1. Barking, screaming, yipping and this obnoxious chortling noise, if he is not right next to you. 2. Trying to escape from his cage by digging (always unsuccessful). 3. IBS, it hasn't been diagnosed, but I'm almost 100% positive he has it. 4. Bouts of aggression, food, toy and animal related. 5. Excessive marking. 6. Dominance behaviors such as mounting (only other males). 7. Extreme jealousy. 8. Becoming vocal and very jealous if he sees Mommy and Daddy kiss or hug. 9. Constant milling around, I can't describe it other than he just won't relax. I've tried positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement and just ignoring his outbursts, none of these have worked. He's confined to a cage while we sleep and work (I'm only gone at most, 6 hours a day). He gets moderate exercise and he is fed a premium dog food. He was also neutered a few months ago, in hopes his neurotic behaviors might be come a little more manageable. Because of his behavior he isn't the most pleasant dog to be around. I haven't been able to cuddle with him since he was a small baby. He knows basic obedience commands, mainly sit and lay. I should also add, anyone who has had the pleasure of watching him for us for a few days, refused to ever watch him again. That's how much fun he is, even the biggest Yorkie fan I know, refuses. So after a terrible screaming, scratching episode this morning before I left for work, I was at my wits end and called my vet. He recommended Clomicalm, has anyone had any success or experience with this? I'm ready to try anything at this point. Last edited by LauraMichelle; 06-10-2009 at 10:13 AM. |
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06-10-2009, 10:18 AM | #2 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Clomicalm is Clomipramine, which is a tricyclic antidepressant. Off-label, it does have a LOT of uses including panic, anxiety etc - so it appears it might be a good option for your little guy (who is DARLING, btw, love his face!). When stuff like you mention above affects quality of life for both you and the dog, medication might be a really huge help. Please keep us posted - I'd be interested in knowing how he does.
__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° |
06-10-2009, 10:51 AM | #3 |
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| Thanks, I'm really hoping this can help. When we had him neutered he was calm (due to the drugs) and so loving, it was wonderful. I felt like he was my baby again and then they wore off and all hell broke loose. I feel like this is a last resort, I don't think dosing an animal with pharmaceuticals is the best idea. However, I'm throwing in the towel. After 4 years of this behavior every day, I'm ready to admit something may be terribly wrong in his head. I'll update as I find things out. BTW Wylie's Mom, my avatar is my female, my little boy is in my album. Your baby is adorable though! Such a cute face! |
06-10-2009, 11:06 AM | #4 | |
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I forgot to mention too...have you ever thought about working w/ a trainer? Sometimes that can do wonders. As for the the pharma, I hear you. But I do believe that dogs, like humans, can have brain chemistry imbalances too. Sometimes neurotransmitters just don't work like they should and things go haywire. I don't see ya throwin' in the towel, I just see you wanting quality of life for you both, and that you care for your little fella.
__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° | |
06-10-2009, 11:10 AM | #5 | |
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06-10-2009, 11:19 AM | #6 | |
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06-10-2009, 11:27 AM | #7 | |
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__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° | |
06-10-2009, 11:47 AM | #8 | |
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It may not be the same condtion. But, everytime I hear about a dog with seperation anxiety, extreme behavior, etc., I think of this post. I have a dog, one that I Championed, that was extremely hyper and noise sensitive. I couldn't even get a topknot up without him being wrestled and held still. He'd yap at anything, constantly on the move. Guess what I found out? And this is going to sound absolutely stupid and why did it take me so long to figure it out. The dog was talking to me, telling me he had to potty, he didn't want to do it in x-pen or on a pee pad. So, now whenever we do anything with him; bath time, brush time, dinner time or he begins to yap to the point of annoyance....we go out potty, then all is well.
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06-10-2009, 11:54 AM | #9 | |
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When I fed kibble (I free-fed), Wylie would go over and and paw at his bowl about 9pm *every* night and I'd say "what? what? It's fresh!" -- finally one night I picked up his bowl to see if there was a bug or ANYthing in there. I moved the kibble around w/ my hands, then put the bowl down. He started eating immediately. He was trying to tell me he wanted his kibble "fluffed". Well, from then on - guess who wanted his kibble fluffed every night at 9pm?
__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° | |
06-10-2009, 12:00 PM | #10 | |
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| Quote: OMG, that's terrible, but I admit while his isn't that severe, he is treading dangerously close. I do know that the quality of his life could be dramatically better. If he didn't stress about so many normal things he could be happy. At bath time, he freezes up and becomes rigid, refusing to move and yelps when the water splashes *ahem* down under. Sometimes he screams when you pick him up, other times he pees on himself while in the submission position. If company comes over he yips, screams and barks (the barking is like rapid fire, if that makes sense). Crating him until company can get through the door only increases his volume. Lately his new favorite thing to do is bark at nothing in the center of the backyard and upon correction, he barks just one more time. Sometimes when all the planets are in alignment, he is a good dog, this is about 2 hours out of the week. I know my life would be a lot easier if he was calmer. I really look forward to that. I'm going to start him on his medicine tonight, I'll post an update in the morning. Wish me luck! | |
06-10-2009, 12:08 PM | #11 | |
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Oh! And GOOD LUCK!
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06-10-2009, 12:09 PM | #12 | |
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06-10-2009, 12:12 PM | #13 | |
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__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° | |
06-10-2009, 12:14 PM | #14 | |
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UTI is a good theory though, do vets test for that during check-ups or would I have to request it? | |
06-10-2009, 12:17 PM | #15 | |
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__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° | |
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