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10-29-2008, 09:29 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
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| Just diagnosed with Microvascular Dysplasia! So I brought Lexi into the vet for her annual shots etc..and the vet reccomended running the tests for this because of our common it is for the breed as well as her size since she's pretty tiny. So of course I agreed, ran all the tests and her bile acids test came in at 84 and the conclusion is she has microvascular dysplsia but her liver looked good and they believe she does not have any shunts at this time. The vet said warning signs would be vomiting, seizures, things like that to bring her in which normally I would anyways but I'm wondering if anyone else has this with their dogs and any info anyone could give me just to help me understand a little better. I did google it but I'd still like to hear from someone who's dealt with this issue. Thank you in advance!! Andrea and Lexi |
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10-29-2008, 09:42 AM | #2 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: St. Louis MO
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| My boy, Zeus, has MVD. He was diagnosed at 10 months and he is now 7 years old. He takes Denosyl SD4 daily and is on a prescription diet. He is doing very well. PM me if you want. Juliet |
10-29-2008, 09:59 AM | #3 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| A post bile acid number of 84 could mean microvascular dysplasia but it could also mean that there is a large shunt present. What diagnostic imaging was done? Ultrasound? Does she have any symptoms? What does the vet want to do to manage this? Low protein diet? Denosyl? Lactulose? Or nothing at all? This is sadly very common in Yorkies. If you have any specific questions, we can try and answer them for you.
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10-29-2008, 10:06 AM | #4 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| Alot of us have MVD dogs - Roxy is one of them. Here is another group that is really knowledgable and a great support for MVD and LS dog owners: DogLiverDisease : Dog Liver Disease |
10-29-2008, 11:11 AM | #5 |
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| Was a Protein C test done? That is the next step after an abnormal bile acids test. Ultrasounds can be as low as 60% reliable. Comparative Coagulation -- NYS Animal Health Diagnostic Center |
10-29-2008, 11:33 AM | #6 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
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| As of right now the doctor reccomended just watching it. Her urinalysis came back okay-no crystals, blood or protein. Her Bile was at 84 but because all her toher results came back perfectly normal and the bile is the only thing that came back high she isn't going to reccomend meds or diet change at this time. I currently feed them Nutro Ultra Holistic Organic dry food but after reading some of the postings I've really been thinking about going raw. Lexi doesn't show any symptoms at this time but he does loves to constantly have her head scratched but I just figured she loves to be petted so I may be readiing too much into the head nudging thing. So do you think that maybe she should be on meds--do I take her to get a second opinion? |
10-29-2008, 11:39 AM | #7 | |
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A compromised liver can lead to a compromised immune system. Raw is not recommended for liver compromised dogs (although some people will disagree). It also tends to be higher in protein which may not work well for her. It doesn't seem like she has any symptoms but that number is quite high. Had she had any meds (including heartworm, flea, vaccines) for a week or two before the bile acids test? That can skew the results. What further testing was done besides the urinalysis? ARe there plans to redue the bile acids test? Although supplementation and diet change aren't always necessary, if my dog's bile acids stayed at 84, I would definately do these things (and actually my dog's post is 106, so we do supplement).
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10-29-2008, 11:45 AM | #8 |
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| Not only is Raw too high in proteins, it is the wrong proteins. Meat and Organs should really be avoided - as they are very tough on the liver |
10-29-2008, 11:53 AM | #9 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| Yeah, that too. I forget to say it sometimes because Ellie is okay eating meat and her nutritionist doesn't have a problem with it (probably because she is close to being asymptomatic). We avoid red meat, pork and exotics. So the choices seem to be fish, egg, tofu and cottage cheese.
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10-29-2008, 11:58 AM | #10 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
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| I thought about it before I bought the food--I just recently switched because I wanted to change them to an organic food and it is a newer line and I was actually able to understand all the ingredients on the label. But she actually hadn't had any meds recently that would affect it and they had Lexi at the vet for the entire day so I would have to look at my forms again to see exactly what tests were done again. I know I had to have her fast the night before brought her in and then they said the tested her pre and post bile, urinealysis and one other which may be the protien c test--that's the one I can't remember. The vet did reccomend giving her an EFA supplement but that's all. She didn't mention anything about how to reduce it and said that at this time her reccomendations were that it isn't necassary to move forward at this time. I do trust my vet but I feel like there should be mroe i can do |
10-29-2008, 12:04 PM | #11 |
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| I have to be honest with you.... post of 84 is high to me, and I just wouldn't feel comfortable not taking 'any steps' to aid her liver function. Roxy has had about 5 BATs in the last year. Her first was 100.9 and the last was 85 (her lowest post # was about 62) I feed her a home made low protein diet that I got from a Nutritionist, and I give her supplements and I am monitoring her yearly now with BAT and bloodwork. (this past yr was crazy with all sorts of testing, etc.) If you go and join the Yahoo Group they can truly give you some guidance on what direction to go with food and supplements |
10-29-2008, 12:09 PM | #12 |
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| Could you please tell us where you find this information?
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10-29-2008, 12:15 PM | #13 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| I have to agree with Nicole. If the vet didn't do a Protein C test, Scintography or liver biopsy (not usually recommended unless already having abdominal surgery), they can't possibly know what is going on. So many things can affect liver function that it may not be liver shunt or MVD at all. These things are very common in Yorkies though, so it is probable. I would at least retest in a month or so. You can put her on Denosyl. If the vet wants her on a fish oil, not just any one is going to work. There are certain guidelines that need to be followed (it needs to contain enough EPA and DHA I think it is). Ellie's first bile acid test came back at post 47. I wanted the test done as a precaution because of a couple things going on with her. When the vet saw that number she said I could put Ellie on low protein, Denosyl and retest in a month or go straight to the internist. If Ellie got sick in that month, it was still straight to the internist. I went with option 1 but she ended up needing to go anyway because a few months later when she had been off of Denosyl for awhile, it was 106. So with 84, I would at least retest.
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10-29-2008, 12:27 PM | #14 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | My Cali has MVD diagnosed by Bile Acid scores of 0/88 or 92 something like that. We then did a ultrasound and then liver biopsy for confirmation. She has not been the healthiest girl but her MVD does not require any meds and she has no symptoms. I try and watch her protein intake especially watch treats they can be very high in protein. Hopefully your baby will do just fine
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10-29-2008, 12:28 PM | #15 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| If you do a search for Purines in Foods, you should be able to find a list that shows how many purines are in specific foods. Meat and Organs are very high in purines which makes it harder for the liver to filter those ammonia toxins, so they are allowed go to the brain and heart causing HE symptoms. (that's the gist of it, I am not the best at explaining it ) |
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