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10-29-2008, 01:58 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Portugal
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| Orijen VS Acana Hello everyone, I don't know if there was already a thread about this two foods before, bue here it goes, what do you think about the new Acana with grain free? in comparison with Orijen? |
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10-29-2008, 05:32 AM | #2 |
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| Well they do come from the same company.. Personally I like it. I was gonna go for Acana but they don't have the new recipe yet over here, so I went with Orijen.
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10-29-2008, 10:30 AM | #3 |
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| Both way way too high on protein and fat contents for YT their protein level shouldn’t be anything high than 28% will or can cause problem later in life. Try Solid Gold for puppy.
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10-29-2008, 02:23 PM | #4 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Portugal
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| Over here we don't have as much as you do in the states, the better ones, that i like better personaly is acana and orijen |
10-30-2008, 03:17 AM | #5 | |
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Which Solid Gold kibble is the best for YT puppy??? I'm kinda confused, Solid Gold has lots of products.
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10-30-2008, 03:32 AM | #6 | |
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My Yorkie is fed Orijen. I free feed her nowadays. She has not gained any unnecessary weight. If the fat content is too high, she would have gained excessive weight a long time ago. My shihtzu is the same way. If there is such a thing as too much protein, I really would like to see an independent, un-biased scientific research explaining it. Link please?
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10-30-2008, 05:38 AM | #7 |
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| I would like to hear more about protein percentages also. I have been trying to figure this out and most of what I have read is that they can eat very high protein content food but if there is an underlaying kidney problem than they should eat low protein (or something like that).
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10-30-2008, 08:59 AM | #8 | |
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10-30-2008, 09:00 AM | #9 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Portugal
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| Aren't there charts about the levels of proteins? |
10-30-2008, 11:11 AM | #10 | |
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Higher protein is really only an issue for dogs who have kidney/liver/pancreas disease. For those unfamiliar w/ canine nutrition needs, I suggest Orijen's White Paper - it is EXCELLENT: http://www.championpetfoods.com/orij...hite_paper.pdf
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10-30-2008, 01:04 PM | #11 |
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| Well I sure would like to know for sure I had Chelsea on more meat with little grain, (home cooked) which was higher in protein, and she grained a lot of weight. My vet said to put her on a low protein and every pet food specialist store here also agreed that small breeds shld be on a lower protein factor. I wld rather have her on no grain food, so I’m at a loss of what is needed for them. How old is yr Yorkie and how long have they been the food?
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10-30-2008, 01:11 PM | #12 |
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| that's what i'm afraid of, that yorkies don't support so much protein..because they are so little, the idea of they being in the wild and carnivores are all great, but the thing is they don't live in the wild, they live in apartments or whatever as they don't spend as much protein and they would in the wild huntting or exercising. Last edited by Marias; 10-30-2008 at 01:13 PM. |
10-30-2008, 05:24 PM | #14 | ||
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But it's almost beside the point. A higher protein diet, for a dog, would be considered more nutrient dense and bio-available - bc that's what their bodies can most efficiently assimilate - they're carnivores and that's what they're bodies are designed to eat. Therefore, when feeding a nutrient dense diet - you are supposed to feed less volume and it's usually indicated. The kcal analysis is different and you have to adjust accordingly. As for the homecooking - was it balanced? Was the cal-phos ratio in check? What % prot/carb/fat were you feeding? Was her daily calorie intake calculated? There are so many things that go into homecooking and so very many things that can easily contribute to weight gain in homecooking. The bottom line is: a size of a being doesn't determine whether or not it can deal with protein. Find a food you trust, a way of feeding you trust, learn about canine digestion and carnivores a bit - AND learn your dog's body - then feed to condition.
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10-31-2008, 03:17 AM | #15 | |
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I cannot say it better really. Wylie's Mom ftw This is why I always encourage research research research. Does not matter what people say, what vets say, what members here say, what pet food specialists say. They can only help you so much. You have to form your own opinion. If you're only gonna listen to the arguments people make, you're always gonna be conflicted, because the pet food business is a commercial world, and they're always gonna vie with each other with a better marketing campaign. it never ends. I'm sorry to say, vets are not always right, and they are not always well informed. As for the pet food specialist, well... they own a business to run do they not? Are they genuinely passionate about dogs? Do they care if your dogs eat the right things or not? Of course there are exceptions, but really, why would you depend on people's words when you can find out for yourself. When I was in a food frenzy, the members here were so nice, they helped me inconsiderably. But I weighed each and every opinion myself. I did not go and base my decision on just any one opinion. I still went and did my own research and my fair share of reading. I'm still reading EVERY DAY. I joined emailing list, I joined groups, I follow links. If you really want to be comfortable with the decision you make about the food your babies eat, you have to arm yourself with knowledge, and decide which are biased and which are not. It's really just a matter of googling and setting time aside to read. That's all you need. My yorkie is now 8 months old and she has been on Orijen for about 3 months. I started free-feeding her a month ago. I will admit that my 2 year old shihtzu is also on the Orijen puppy, with higher protein and fat. We are now almost finished with the 7 kg bag of Orijen. Mocha had a growth spurt (which I do not attribute to the food, she is bound to have it sooner or later) she is now longer and taller, but aside from the growth spurt she has not gained excessive/unnecessary weight. My shihtzu, Lulu has not gained extra weight. Both has GREAT energy. We are now walking almost TWICE the distance we used to do. I have lost a kg every month since we started Orijen, because of the distance we do, and the brisk walk. Cross my heart.
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