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07-31-2008, 10:36 AM | #1 |
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| Butcher just warned me off chicken wings... I went to the butcher to get some bits and pieces for Millie. He advised me against chicken wings. He said they are fine for big dogs but not small ones. He says if the bones splits, or is bitten a certain way, it will rip the dogs insides, even if they are raw. He said even when they cut the wings up, some of the edges can be sharp enough to slice their fingers. He said about a small dog (not sure what breed), that was luck to live after its intestines (i think) were ripped inside by a raw bone. The dog didnt choke or show any signs that he was having problems with the bones. Quite scary! |
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07-31-2008, 10:50 AM | #2 |
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| chicken I have no idea about Irish chickens..but here in the USA, you must be very careful with any raw foul...salmanella is a problem. Uncooked chicken wings and legs are sharp as a razor. I realize wild dogs eat bird bones, but wild dogs are not the size of toys.. |
07-31-2008, 03:37 PM | #3 | |
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| If I had a penny for every myth I hear...... Hi! I'm a prey model raw feeder and I constantly hear stories about raw bones ripping up intenstines etc. Unsubstaniated rumors! I once asked a butcher for chicken livers and when he found out that those would be going to my dogs raw, he told me if I did that they'd die the next day! The myths and misconceptions about the raw diet are rampant! Chicken wings for big dogs is NOT recommended because they would just gulp it whole and potentially choke. Always feed raw meaty bones that fits with the dogs overall size, aim for pieces bigger than the mouth. I have a tiny girl (1 1/2 pounds) who can only muster chicken wings and things of that size. One will have to actually watch a raw fed dog eat to understand how they eat it. Any dog has the jaw and teeth to adequately handle bones. A dog will sit/stand and gnaw on his meaty bone. He/she does not bite it off like a person would eat a hot dog for example. But I will say that you could do a lot better than chicken wings for your dog as there's little meat on it. Better would be chicken drumsticks! Quote:
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07-31-2008, 03:53 PM | #4 | |
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07-31-2008, 04:04 PM | #5 |
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| raw I was not talking about the raw diets..know nothing about them ..I was talking about chicken bones... I had a Yorkie get in the trash and eat a chicken leg bone, the bone splintered and a sliver of bone got between the gum and tooth...I noticed the dog was pawing at her mouth, but I saw nothing..vet had to put her under and remove the bone shard.. Had another get into a trash bag waiting to go tot he curb...and choked on a joint knuckle..that time I was able to pull it out of her throat with a clamp.. I have never had any luck with my dogs and chicken bones, cooked or raw..so they are off limits. Last edited by YorkieRose; 07-31-2008 at 04:06 PM. |
07-31-2008, 04:14 PM | #6 | |
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07-31-2008, 04:28 PM | #7 |
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| Sugar's Mom, I'm not sure why my comment is being met with your hostile response. I'm an experienced prey model feeder who has done extensive research and in contact with breeders and owners alike who feed a prey model diet by conviction and great success! Thousands if not millions of us are feeding this way, many of them for over 25 years and never had a single problem. We all know that kibble has only been around for a 100 years or so. If raw was such a dangerous food, why would mother nature have carnivores evolve to eat a food that was so dangerous? Why aren't many more dogs dying all over the world who eat raw, meat bones? I could also tell you several stories about dogs choking on kibble, had salmonella or other types of poisoning from kibble or dogs who died because their homecooked diet was overly supplemented. I'm not surprised your Vet is dead set against feeding raw as I have never met a Vet who was pro raw. I'm very sorry to hear about your Beagle and without knowing the exact details to the circumstances, I will hold off on my comment about that. Let's just agree that each and every method of feeding comes with certain risks. I did not mean to target anybody or speak to anybody in specific other than the OP and her experience with what her butcher told her. I respect the choice that everybody has, to feed whatever they wish to feed their dogs and I would ask the same in return! Thanks.
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07-31-2008, 04:33 PM | #8 | |
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Hasn't kibble only been around since the 1940's or 1950's? That would only be 60-70 years whereas dogs have been eating raw for thousands of years in the wild. Many many dogs have died due to aflotoxin poisoning in kibble and the big China kibble and canned recall last year. I'd say raw has proven to be much safer than the commercial kibbles on the market. Luckily, more vets are starting to take an interest in nutrition and you can find those that have done their research are recommending raw and homecooked diets more and more. Hopefully more vets will see the value of a species appropriate diet in the future!
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07-31-2008, 04:34 PM | #9 |
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| Invitation! I would like to invite everybody to come join discussion on this thread! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...odel-diet.html Many people have contributed and shared their experiences and questions. Many things can be answered there, just reading through posts. It's a fun thread and there are also great resources posted on info regarding prey model diet! Thanks!
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07-31-2008, 04:41 PM | #10 | |
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| Great posts! I second all of your posts here on this thread! Quote:
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07-31-2008, 05:09 PM | #11 | |
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07-31-2008, 05:11 PM | #12 | |
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Dee, I ask that you please keep your posts respectful to those who feed raw, whether you agree or not.
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07-31-2008, 05:17 PM | #13 | |
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Oh my god, someone get me a pill - my blood just boiled right out my ears. LOL!
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07-31-2008, 05:30 PM | #14 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Dogs don't have a problem with salmonella like humans do - the only time it's a concern is if a dog has a compromised immune system.
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07-31-2008, 06:04 PM | #15 |
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| Mine are not allowed any bone no matter the size. I also just cannot get passed the raw meat....weak stomach. However I find it very interesting feeding raw and I'm gonna read up on it. Maybe someday....when I get a stronger stomach I'm just the type of person that if I see blood I pass out. |
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