shots... (over medicated)

[angel sweetlips]

I am still unsure about Izzy going to this next vet appointment.
Here is her list of shots she's already had.

On 6/3- canine coronavirus vaccine and canine distemper, adenovirus type 2, parainfluenza, parvovirus vaccine.

On 6/24- Adenovirus 2, distemper, leptospira, parainfluenza, parvovirus, and Rabies.

Now she has an appointment on this coming tuesday. I dont remember what shot they wanna give her but I dont even know if she needs another one?...

I have her on heart worm medication(heartgard), and flea and tick(frontline).


The next booster the vet said they were gonna give her is the parvo, distemper bla bla bla vaccine.

I dunno...this seems odd...

Does she need another one?

[Ellie May]

It does sound like your pup has been over medicated.

Corona is not recommended by most veterinary schools.
Lepto should only be given in certain areas of the countries and some people feel it shouldn't be given to Yorkies at all (and hopefully never before 16 weeks and not with other vaccines).

Three rounds of DHPP is standard depending on what age they were started.

Rabies really should be given at the last minute to make sure you are complying iwth the law but not giving it too early. It should always be given separately.

[angel sweetlips]

Well Izzy is six months.

Has anyone else had this many of these type of shots?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by angel sweetlips

Well Izzy is six months.

Has anyone else had this many of these type of shots?

It is VERY common for vets to give this many, but it is just not optimal.

[mscat]

I would only give my pup. the typical vaccines. The reccomended ones, I stay away from . Such as the Lepto, and the Corona. Parvo, Distemper, the Flu one, YES< They are given three times , spread out at least every three weeks.
Rabies shot is not given until at least 4 months old . It is better to have that one vaccine given separtely. the Rabies is the one that is the law to have.
You have to know about all of these vaccines before going into the vet. That way you are better prepared , and can discuss your concerns . If the Vet won't listen to you or honor your requests then walk out.

[Ladymom]

Wow! Your baby has been bombarded with vaccinations!

Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol has been adopted by 27 vet schools. That's the one I follow:

Dr-Dodds-ChangingVaccProtocol

This book is a must have for all dog owners IMO. The dangers of over vaccination is discussed among many other topics. It's a delightful read, too.

Amazon.com: Scared Poopless: The Straight Scoop...

[angel sweetlips]

hmm...but it wont hurt to get it. ... I rather be safe than sorry but...hmm I dunno. *thinking*
Anyhoo...I am sooo new at this I totally need to buy a book.

[cesar49]

Most give 3 series of puppy shots, plus 1 rabies shot. In Yorkies, they aren't usually started until 8 weeks and are given at 3 to 4 week intervals. Any shots given sooner wouldn't be considered effective due to the pup still getting immunity from the mother.

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I found this interesting site that offers some good vaccine info I haven't ran across before. http://www.angelfire.com/biz/froghol...accBlanco.html This is a subject I'm very interested in and the more research I do, the more I'm convinced we're doing much harm to our dogs and their future pups. I've also found that vaccines that are packaged in multi-dose vials have preservatives in them that can be harmful. Even if you do your own vaccinations, by law a vet must administer the rabies shot and this would be a vaccine that is packaged in multi-dose vials. Though it's just my own opinion, at this time I'm getting a gut feeling that many conditions (even some that are suspected to be genetic) that we see in dogs are the result of vaccines and/or over-vaccinations. On a related note, I was re-reading through The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Seranne and saw that she recommends giving a bitch a booster of DHL before breeding if she hasn't been vaccinated in the last 6 months. I don't agree with this at all. I'm not trying to slam MS. Seranne as the book has a copyright of 1980 and maybe at that time it seemed like a good idea. However, since this book is considered a must-have by many breeders, I wonder how many have followed this advice in the past and are we now seeing the results of this in the many health problems in some dogs. I'm not trying to 'stir the pot' with this post but it has got me wondering if these things are related. I realize there is no direct link yet proven or even a broad concensus; I'm just trying to connect the dots. I'd like to hear the thoughts on this from some of you on this subject.

I feel that over vaccination is causing a lot of health issues that we are seeing today. Most pet owners don't make the connection. My advise is to do your research. It breaks my heart when I see posts nearly every day where someone took their poor little baby to the vet and the vet shoots them up with everything imaginable, including the rabies shot, all at one time and the poor dog gets sick. Who knows what the long term effects of that will be.From what I've read, thymersol was used as a preservative in dog vaccines until 1992. Now aluminum is used. As I poster earlier, rabies is one vaccine we all have to get from a vet (to satisfy legal requirements) and that is a multi-dose vaccine which would have preservatives. Single dose vaccines do not require preservatives. Here's some other interesting info that may relate to vaccinations........" Procedure—The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS was calculated for all dogs and each breed recorded in the VMDB annually and for the 22.2-year period. Odds ratios and adjusted confidence intervals were calculated for breeds with at least 100 accessions by comparing odds of each breed with a diagnosis of CPSS with that of mixed-breed dogs.

Results—Congenital portosystemic shunts were reported in 0.18% of all dogs and 0.05% of mixedbreed dogs. The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS increased from 5 in 10,000 dogs in 1980 to 5 in 1,000 dogs in 2001. Yorkshire Terriers had the greatest total number of diagnoses of CPSS. Thirty-three breeds were significantly more likely to have a diagnosis of CPSS, compared with mixed-breed dogs. The greatest proportions of diagnoses were found in Havanese (3.2%), Yorkshire Terriers (2.9%), Maltese (1.6%), Dandie Dinmont Terriers (1.6%), and Pugs (1.3%)"..........How does this relate to vaccinations? Look at the extremely low incidence in LS in mixed breeds. Though you have to do a bit of assuming, It's probably safe to say that mixed breeds are less likely to have been vaccinated yearly though surely some are. Another glaring statistic is the increase in incidence from 1980 to 2001. This roughly correlates with the increased use of vaccines in general....in other words, more people are taking better care of their dogs, going to the vet and getting the 'annual vaccines' which has been the protocol during that time and still is for many vets. The highest percentage of LS mentioned is among toy breeds which are, in general, more sensitive to vaccines overall. Vaccines, by their nature, provoke an auto-immune response. Could not this constant provoking of the immune response over time create chromosonal damage that could cause conditions (especially in pups of over-vaccinated dogs) that appear to be genetic? In the case of LS, it is suspected to be genetic but no marker has yet been found. If you take generation after generation of dogs and over-vaccinate them, could not the cumulative effect of this show up as apparent 'genetic flaws' such as LS, heart murmers and arrhythmia, collapsed tracheas, etc. which are all essentially developmental problems. Like I posted before, I'm just trying to connect the dots. In the case of LS, as posted above from an article by Dr. Tobias, the increased incidence of LS goes hand in hand with the increased use of vaccines among dogs. Coincidence?

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[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by angel sweetlips

hmm...but it wont hurt to get it. ... I rather be safe than sorry but...hmm I dunno. *thinking*
Anyhoo...I am sooo new at this I totally need to buy a book.

The problem is, it will hurt to get them all.
Giving too many at one time can possibly negate immunity.
Rarely anaphylactic shock can occur.
The injections can cause lumps at the injection site.
The pup may be very tired, lethargic and not hungry.
The intranasal bordatella vaccine can create aspiration problems and can actually give your pup kennel cough.
The lepto vaccine has killed several Yorkie puppies.
The Lymes vaccine may be linked to kidney problems.
The long-term effects of all of these are not exactly known but there is plenty of evidence to suggest they cause autoimmune diseases and I think thyroid problems. Cancer would also not be surprising because some of the ingredients are carcinogens. And the list goes on...

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by angel sweetlips

Well Izzy is six months.

Has anyone else had this many of these type of shots?

is this the first time she's getting these vaccines?

typically puppies start there distemper boosters at 8 weeks old, then they are given every 3-4 weeks until they get 3 boosters total. i don't allow corona or lepto to be given since my yorkie is very small. at 4-6 months AFTER the distemper boosters are finished the pup should get the rabies vaccine. with small dogs its not advisable to give more then one vaccine on the same day because it can wipe them out or cause a reaction. (one vaccine meaning the distemper combo or the rabies). after the three distemper boosters the pup shouldn't need anymore distemper vaccines until a year later. rabies is every 3 years by law