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cesar49 · 07-10-2008, 10:07 PM

Most give 3 series of puppy shots, plus 1 rabies shot. In Yorkies, they aren't usually started until 8 weeks and are given at 3 to 4 week intervals. Any shots given sooner wouldn't be considered effective due to the pup still getting immunity from the mother.

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I found this interesting site that offers some good vaccine info I haven't ran across before. http://www.angelfire.com/biz/froghol...accBlanco.html This is a subject I'm very interested in and the more research I do, the more I'm convinced we're doing much harm to our dogs and their future pups. I've also found that vaccines that are packaged in multi-dose vials have preservatives in them that can be harmful. Even if you do your own vaccinations, by law a vet must administer the rabies shot and this would be a vaccine that is packaged in multi-dose vials. Though it's just my own opinion, at this time I'm getting a gut feeling that many conditions (even some that are suspected to be genetic) that we see in dogs are the result of vaccines and/or over-vaccinations. On a related note, I was re-reading through The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Seranne and saw that she recommends giving a bitch a booster of DHL before breeding if she hasn't been vaccinated in the last 6 months. I don't agree with this at all. I'm not trying to slam MS. Seranne as the book has a copyright of 1980 and maybe at that time it seemed like a good idea. However, since this book is considered a must-have by many breeders, I wonder how many have followed this advice in the past and are we now seeing the results of this in the many health problems in some dogs. I'm not trying to 'stir the pot' with this post but it has got me wondering if these things are related. I realize there is no direct link yet proven or even a broad concensus; I'm just trying to connect the dots. I'd like to hear the thoughts on this from some of you on this subject.

I feel that over vaccination is causing a lot of health issues that we are seeing today. Most pet owners don't make the connection. My advise is to do your research. It breaks my heart when I see posts nearly every day where someone took their poor little baby to the vet and the vet shoots them up with everything imaginable, including the rabies shot, all at one time and the poor dog gets sick. Who knows what the long term effects of that will be.From what I've read, thymersol was used as a preservative in dog vaccines until 1992. Now aluminum is used. As I poster earlier, rabies is one vaccine we all have to get from a vet (to satisfy legal requirements) and that is a multi-dose vaccine which would have preservatives. Single dose vaccines do not require preservatives. Here's some other interesting info that may relate to vaccinations........" Procedure—The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS was calculated for all dogs and each breed recorded in the VMDB annually and for the 22.2-year period. Odds ratios and adjusted confidence intervals were calculated for breeds with at least 100 accessions by comparing odds of each breed with a diagnosis of CPSS with that of mixed-breed dogs.

Results—Congenital portosystemic shunts were reported in 0.18% of all dogs and 0.05% of mixedbreed dogs. The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS increased from 5 in 10,000 dogs in 1980 to 5 in 1,000 dogs in 2001. Yorkshire Terriers had the greatest total number of diagnoses of CPSS. Thirty-three breeds were significantly more likely to have a diagnosis of CPSS, compared with mixed-breed dogs. The greatest proportions of diagnoses were found in Havanese (3.2%), Yorkshire Terriers (2.9%), Maltese (1.6%), Dandie Dinmont Terriers (1.6%), and Pugs (1.3%)"..........How does this relate to vaccinations? Look at the extremely low incidence in LS in mixed breeds. Though you have to do a bit of assuming, It's probably safe to say that mixed breeds are less likely to have been vaccinated yearly though surely some are. Another glaring statistic is the increase in incidence from 1980 to 2001. This roughly correlates with the increased use of vaccines in general....in other words, more people are taking better care of their dogs, going to the vet and getting the 'annual vaccines' which has been the protocol during that time and still is for many vets. The highest percentage of LS mentioned is among toy breeds which are, in general, more sensitive to vaccines overall. Vaccines, by their nature, provoke an auto-immune response. Could not this constant provoking of the immune response over time create chromosonal damage that could cause conditions (especially in pups of over-vaccinated dogs) that appear to be genetic? In the case of LS, it is suspected to be genetic but no marker has yet been found. If you take generation after generation of dogs and over-vaccinate them, could not the cumulative effect of this show up as apparent 'genetic flaws' such as LS, heart murmers and arrhythmia, collapsed tracheas, etc. which are all essentially developmental problems. Like I posted before, I'm just trying to connect the dots. In the case of LS, as posted above from an article by Dr. Tobias, the increased incidence of LS goes hand in hand with the increased use of vaccines among dogs. Coincidence?

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cesar49 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: eagles nest ohio Posts: 1,325 Blog Entries: 1	Most give 3 series of puppy shots, plus 1 rabies shot. In Yorkies, they aren't usually started until 8 weeks and are given at 3 to 4 week intervals. Any shots given sooner wouldn't be considered effective due to the pup still getting immunity from the mother. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found this interesting site that offers some good vaccine info I haven't ran across before. http://www.angelfire.com/biz/froghol...accBlanco.html This is a subject I'm very interested in and the more research I do, the more I'm convinced we're doing much harm to our dogs and their future pups. I've also found that vaccines that are packaged in multi-dose vials have preservatives in them that can be harmful. Even if you do your own vaccinations, by law a vet must administer the rabies shot and this would be a vaccine that is packaged in multi-dose vials. Though it's just my own opinion, at this time I'm getting a gut feeling that many conditions (even some that are suspected to be genetic) that we see in dogs are the result of vaccines and/or over-vaccinations. On a related note, I was re-reading through The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Seranne and saw that she recommends giving a bitch a booster of DHL before breeding if she hasn't been vaccinated in the last 6 months. I don't agree with this at all. I'm not trying to slam MS. Seranne as the book has a copyright of 1980 and maybe at that time it seemed like a good idea. However, since this book is considered a must-have by many breeders, I wonder how many have followed this advice in the past and are we now seeing the results of this in the many health problems in some dogs. I'm not trying to 'stir the pot' with this post but it has got me wondering if these things are related. I realize there is no direct link yet proven or even a broad concensus; I'm just trying to connect the dots. I'd like to hear the thoughts on this from some of you on this subject. I feel that over vaccination is causing a lot of health issues that we are seeing today. Most pet owners don't make the connection. My advise is to do your research. It breaks my heart when I see posts nearly every day where someone took their poor little baby to the vet and the vet shoots them up with everything imaginable, including the rabies shot, all at one time and the poor dog gets sick. Who knows what the long term effects of that will be.From what I've read, thymersol was used as a preservative in dog vaccines until 1992. Now aluminum is used. As I poster earlier, rabies is one vaccine we all have to get from a vet (to satisfy legal requirements) and that is a multi-dose vaccine which would have preservatives. Single dose vaccines do not require preservatives. Here's some other interesting info that may relate to vaccinations........" Procedure—The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS was calculated for all dogs and each breed recorded in the VMDB annually and for the 22.2-year period. Odds ratios and adjusted confidence intervals were calculated for breeds with at least 100 accessions by comparing odds of each breed with a diagnosis of CPSS with that of mixed-breed dogs. Results—Congenital portosystemic shunts were reported in 0.18% of all dogs and 0.05% of mixedbreed dogs. The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS increased from 5 in 10,000 dogs in 1980 to 5 in 1,000 dogs in 2001. Yorkshire Terriers had the greatest total number of diagnoses of CPSS. Thirty-three breeds were significantly more likely to have a diagnosis of CPSS, compared with mixed-breed dogs. The greatest proportions of diagnoses were found in Havanese (3.2%), Yorkshire Terriers (2.9%), Maltese (1.6%), Dandie Dinmont Terriers (1.6%), and Pugs (1.3%)"..........How does this relate to vaccinations? Look at the extremely low incidence in LS in mixed breeds. Though you have to do a bit of assuming, It's probably safe to say that mixed breeds are less likely to have been vaccinated yearly though surely some are. Another glaring statistic is the increase in incidence from 1980 to 2001. This roughly correlates with the increased use of vaccines in general....in other words, more people are taking better care of their dogs, going to the vet and getting the 'annual vaccines' which has been the protocol during that time and still is for many vets. The highest percentage of LS mentioned is among toy breeds which are, in general, more sensitive to vaccines overall. Vaccines, by their nature, provoke an auto-immune response. Could not this constant provoking of the immune response over time create chromosonal damage that could cause conditions (especially in pups of over-vaccinated dogs) that appear to be genetic? In the case of LS, it is suspected to be genetic but no marker has yet been found. If you take generation after generation of dogs and over-vaccinate them, could not the cumulative effect of this show up as apparent 'genetic flaws' such as LS, heart murmers and arrhythmia, collapsed tracheas, etc. which are all essentially developmental problems. Like I posted before, I'm just trying to connect the dots. In the case of LS, as posted above from an article by Dr. Tobias, the increased incidence of LS goes hand in hand with the increased use of vaccines among dogs. Coincidence? above previous posts __________________ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs.