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Jemma 09-09-2009 02:48 AM
I see I have many pages and links to read. Maybe I read some things wrong here...but....chicken, pork, WITH bones??? I thought bones sliver and can cause damage?? Eggs? Raw or cooked? With the shell, noooo, you mean broken open. Like I said, many many pages to read here, lol

tjdmom 09-09-2009 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jemma (Post 2792826)
I see I have many pages and links to read. Maybe I read some things wrong here...but....chicken, pork, WITH bones??? I thought bones sliver and can cause damage?? Eggs? Raw or cooked? With the shell, noooo, you mean broken open. Like I said, many many pages to read here, lol
Yes, bones are fine as long as the ARE NOT COOKED! :) but raw bones are very pliable and my yorkies do a great job on chicken bones. Pork is so so but she's not a major chewer either. My yorkie also isn't a huge lover of eggs (yes raw eggs) and won't eat the shell. Sometimes she'll eat the egg itself but becareful as too much egg can cause loose stools. But some people have dogs who will eat the whole egg and that's fine too!

Jemma 09-10-2009 01:52 PM
Thank you for the reply. I can't read all these pages, lol, so I'm going to ask questions and I'm sorry if they have been already answered.
Protein can be a problem for these little ones. How do you know they are not getting too much protein?
Also, is there a site somewhere that lists all foods that are able to be given to our furbabies? I'm really worried about the bones. chicken bones are small, they don't lodge in their throat? And pork bones are ok? hmmm, they seem sharp.
Thank you for replies

fadeddenim 09-10-2009 03:52 PM
I've been feeding premade RAW, but after reading this thread, I'm seriously thinking of doing the prey model diet. i love this thread! so much useful information. keep it coming!

Britster 09-10-2009 04:35 PM
I'm kind of confused about the whole thing, honestly.

What's the difference between a Prey Model diet and just regular raw diet?


Are they both just pieces of raw meat that you give your dogs... and that equals their meal for the day?

tjdmom 09-10-2009 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jemma (Post 2795276)
Thank you for the reply. I can't read all these pages, lol, so I'm going to ask questions and I'm sorry if they have been already answered.
Protein can be a problem for these little ones. How do you know they are not getting too much protein?
Also, is there a site somewhere that lists all foods that are able to be given to our furbabies? I'm really worried about the bones. chicken bones are small, they don't lodge in their throat? And pork bones are ok? hmmm, they seem sharp.
Thank you for replies
I think you are probably thinking about everything we've always been told. And yes, if your chicken was cooked the bones would be very dangerous but raw bones are very pliable and do not splinter. Same goes for pork bones although I find alot of pork bones are too dense for my yorkie. Here is a great site that will answer all the common myths out there about a raw diet.
The Many Myths of Raw Feeding


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Originally Posted by fadeddenim (Post 2795457)
I've been feeding premade RAW, but after reading this thread, I'm seriously thinking of doing the prey model diet. i love this thread! so much useful information. keep it coming!
Prey Model is not as hard as you might think! I was so nervous about it but really it turned out to be easier than I thought!

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2795522)
I'm kind of confused about the whole thing, honestly.

What's the difference between a Prey Model diet and just regular raw diet?


Are they both just pieces of raw meat that you give your dogs... and that equals their meal for the day?
A prey model raw diet is more specific. If I were to say a I fed a raw diet, that could mean a premade raw like you buy at the pet store. Prey model means actual raw whole items like a chicken leg or a beef heart etc. Premade raw is general a mixture of the meat, organs liver and bones all ground up and most premade raw also includes some veggies. A prey model feeder would not feed veggies and would not generally grind up meat either although in some situations, it might be done. (ie an elderly dog with no teeth). Hope that makes sense.

Jemma 09-10-2009 05:12 PM
awww your great, thanks for the reply :thumbup:

Jemma 09-15-2009 02:50 AM
oh oh have a problem. I started the prey diet for Jemma on Saturday. Started with chicken, bone and all. Her stool is very very hard. This morning I saw a taint of fresh red blood. Bright, not dark. Also her stool has kinda white in it. Bone? Wondering if they are kinda nicking her rectum as she tries to poo. Was is her stool so rock hard. I'm starting to feel terrible about starting her on the prey model.

tjdmom 09-15-2009 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Jemma (Post 2801435)
oh oh have a problem. I started the prey diet for Jemma on Saturday. Started with chicken, bone and all. Her stool is very very hard. This morning I saw a taint of fresh red blood. Bright, not dark. Also her stool has kinda white in it. Bone? Wondering if they are kinda nicking her rectum as she tries to poo. Was is her stool so rock hard. I'm starting to feel terrible about starting her on the prey model.
Ok, take a deep breathe. Yes, she has a bit too much bone for her tolerance. Back off on the bone. I typically feed a meal with alot of bone and then a boneless meal. You can tell by her poo what to do.... if it gets loose add some bone, if it's hard and white - yes too much bone. It really just takes a little bit of getting used to what your individual pup can tolerate and it takes her body a little bit of adjusting too. Also, once you start adding things like liver, that will soften up her poo too but you want to wait probably a good month and be sure everything is stabilized before you start liver.....

Jemma 09-16-2009 02:34 AM
Thank you sooo much!!!! Will do what you said

jp4m2 02-25-2010 03:40 PM
bump....

ShylahTaffy 02-26-2010 12:04 PM
Only 2 Questions but can't seem to get them answered?
 
I got my baby about a month ago and have been doing research for the past couple of weeks on this diet and only have a couple more questions before I am ready to take the plung :wink:. First, Saphira is a mere 1.10 lbs at 14 weeks and so I don't see how feeding meat and bone at this point in time will be possible. I was thinking to put together a prey model meal and grinding it for her until she is at her adult size (approx. 3 lbs) when she will be more capable of handling the meat and bone...:confused:. Also, she is a growing puppy and i want her to grow as healthy as possible without any deficiencies so I was thinking of adding a whole food supplement to her diet as well as coconut oil for her skin and coat...:confused:. So I guess the :confused: :confused: are just asking
1. if you've had a puppy this small and what you did or what you think about the plan to grind until she gets bigger
2. what you think about the supplements and if you can recomend anything when it comes to that???
As for how much to feed...it's 2% of their adult weight right???
Thanks in advance for any info you can give me.:D

PrincessDiana 02-26-2010 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ShylahTaffy (Post 3019186)
I got my baby about a month ago and have been doing research for the past couple of weeks on this diet and only have a couple more questions before I am ready to take the plung :wink:. First, Saphira is a mere 1.10 lbs at 14 weeks and so I don't see how feeding meat and bone at this point in time will be possible. I was thinking to put together a prey model meal and grinding it for her until she is at her adult size (approx. 3 lbs) when she will be more capable of handling the meat and bone...:confused:. Also, she is a growing puppy and i want her to grow as healthy as possible without any deficiencies so I was thinking of adding a whole food supplement to her diet as well as coconut oil for her skin and coat...:confused:. So I guess the :confused: :confused: are just asking
1. if you've had a puppy this small and what you did or what you think about the plan to grind until she gets bigger
2. what you think about the supplements and if you can recomend anything when it comes to that???
As for how much to feed...it's 2% of their adult weight right???
Thanks in advance for any info you can give me.:D
Shylah,

I am so sorry! I thought I had answered all of your questions on the other thread. Since your baby is so small, I would definitely grind. I'll let others chime in, but I think that would be your best option. Many meat grinders out there even grind bone!

Again, a prey model raw diet is completely balanced. Giving supplements will UNbalance causing potential problems. The only thing we add is salmon oil for the omega-3s to make their skin and coat soft and shiny.

Lastly, the general rule is 2-3% of expected adult body weight but since she is a puppy and SO tiny I would probably feed closer to 4%.

ShylahTaffy 02-26-2010 10:12 PM
Ok thanks!:) That's what I'll do. Once I get the grinder I'm ready to go! :) Because she's so tiny it will be easy and cheaper than "dog food"...plus I'm lucky I found some really good sources for the meat!

ShylahTaffy 02-26-2010 10:51 PM
Oh Ya...One More Question
 
how do i figure out the ratio...80% meat, 10%bone? do the parts come in that ratio; for example if i feed a chicken leg or a beef rib...does it work itself out to fit the requirements? if not, can someone give me an example so that i am not driving myself crazy trying to work out ratio every meal with the meat and bone? it may sound like im going a bit overboard with it :confuse8: but i just want to make sure Saphira gets what she needs because she is still a baby and i want to make sure she develops properly...if she were an adult i don't think i would be as anal. lol. that face is hilarious! :yelrotflm


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