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yorkiepup2 · 03-18-2008, 09:55 AM

I would try brusing her teeth and see how she does.....try to make it fun for her and tell her she has pretty teeth when you're brushing them. I don't know if Petzlife has alcohol in it??? I think Leba III has alcohol in it....does anyone know? Does anyone use Leba III? If it were me, I'd probably try to keep her teeth and try to brush them every day. I would also probably not give her kibble if she's swallowing it whole.

Ellie May · 03-18-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPrinceKobi

Okay...soo....I am spoiled and have all my babies free-feeding Canidae...so how do I make that switch and do mealtimes? Also, what canned food should I feed?

You really think she has LS or MVD at 7 y/o and she has lived this long with it? I'm not trying to question you...I know you are very intelligent...but I guess I didn't realize that happened ??

Oh, this dog confuses me sooooooo much! Please help!!!!!

LOL...question me all you want.

I am not saying she has MVD and I am not saying she has a shunt.
I can tell you ANYTIME a Yorkie has a seizure (unless they got into something toxic and are reacting) OR ANYTIME a Yorkie's liver enzymes are elevated they NEED to have a bile acid test. That doesn't mean there is a problem but it is very important to check.

She could just have high liver enzymes because something wasn't quite right that day and she could have seized because of epilepsy but there is no reason not to check. MVD can be asymptomatic and there was at least one dog with a shunt who wasn't diagnosed until age 8. Yes, it can happen and if something is wrong, she should at least be supplemented.

What is the kidney problem? Crystals? Bloodwork high or low?

Ellie May · 03-18-2008, 09:58 AM

The canned food you use will depend on if she has liver or kidney problems. You could just go to Canidae for now if you like the brand.

Canned food is also best for kidney problems.
Or you could soak the dry food (with equal parts water).
I like canned better though.

LuvMyPrinceKobi · 03-18-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

LOL...question me all you want.

I am not saying she has MVD and I am not saying she has a shunt.
I can tell you ANYTIME a Yorkie has a seizure (unless they got into something toxic and are reacting) OR ANYTIME a Yorkie's liver enzymes are elevated they NEED to have a bile acid test. That doesn't mean there is a problem but it is very important to check.

She could just have high liver enzymes because something wasn't quite right that day and she could have seized because of epilepsy but there is no reason not to check. MVD can be asymptomatic and there was at least one dog with a shunt who wasn't diagnosed until age 8. Yes, it can happen and if something is wrong, she should at least be supplemented.

What is the kidney problem? Crystals? Bloodwork high or low?

Okay...will check into when she can get bile acid tested then.

I am a horrible mother, I know, but I don't even know what was wrong with the kidneys? I just did as they said and because they said it wasn't that bad to just have her tested again, which she just did today. So how about this, when I find out the info from the test (couple days they'll call) I'll PM you and let you know so you can help me out. PLEASE?????

Tiger's Mom · 03-18-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPrinceKobi

Thanks, Des, you're too sweet

I think I will definitely order the petzlife...sounds like the answer to my prayers...maybe!

I just read Carol's comment so I better get on the ball with my babies too . . .especially Tiger now that his teeth is sparkling white

. .www.sassypup.net carries them

LuvMyPrinceKobi · 03-18-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiger's Mom

I just read Carol's comment so I better get on the ball with my babies too . . .especially Tiger now that his teeth is sparkling white

. .www.sassypup.net carries them

Thanks, Des! yes, you better start off right with Tiger especially! I am going to take before and after pics of Kiwi's teeth...y'all will not BELIEVE how bad they are...and I'll post in a month or two to see how much better they've gotten!

Ellie May · 03-18-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPrinceKobi

Okay...will check into when she can get bile acid tested then.

I am a horrible mother, I know, but I don't even know what was wrong with the kidneys? I just did as they said and because they said it wasn't that bad to just have her tested again, which she just did today. So how about this, when I find out the info from the test (couple days they'll call) I'll PM you and let you know so you can help me out. PLEASE?????

Sure thing but if you just post in health and diet or emergency I will see it. I don't do too much via PMs. Besides if you start a thread, Yorkieluv might see it.

LuvMyPrinceKobi · 03-18-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

Sure thing but if you just post in health and diet or emergency I will see it. I don't do too much via PMs. Besides if you start a thread, Yorkieluv might see it.

That sounds great! I know you're on the ball, so I wouldn't think you'd miss it, but if you don't comment on it for a day or two, I'll shoot you a PM with the link

Thanks so much!

LuvMyPrinceKobi · 03-18-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiepup2

I would try brusing her teeth and see how she does.....try to make it fun for her and tell her she has pretty teeth when you're brushing them. I don't know if Petzlife has alcohol in it??? I think Leba III has alcohol in it....does anyone know? Does anyone use Leba III? If it were me, I'd probably try to keep her teeth and try to brush them every day. I would also probably not give her kibble if she's swallowing it whole.

Many people have commented that Petzlife works well, so I think I will give that a try...if it doesn't seem to be working after a month or two, I will go to brushing. Thanks for the help.

Just so you and everyone knows though, I didn't unilaterally make the decision to feed her kibble...the vet said she would be fine and that actually a good many dogs don't chew their food (FYI, my other two DO chew), so she said it would be no biggie...but I am going to switch to canned for sure!

LuvMyPrinceKobi · 03-18-2008, 10:30 AM

One more question...can't promise it's my last...lol... My local dog food store has these canned foods...

By-Nature
California Natural
Innova
Innova EVO
Merrick
Pinnacle
Tripett
Wellness

Any recommendations??

Ellie May · 03-18-2008, 10:41 AM

Cal. Natural would be my choice for now (unless no liver problem is diagnosed...sorry I don't know the phosphorus levels of these foods, so I don't know how kidney-friendly they are.

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPrinceKobi

One more question...can't promise it's my last...lol... My local dog food store has these canned foods...

By-Nature- no, never heard of it.
California Natural - yes
Innova - I won't feed garlic...even a little bit
Innova EVO - garlic again and WAY too high in protein
Merrick - I started a thread about all of their problems
Pinnacle - don't know
Tripett - don't know
Wellness - might be okay but it's made at Menu

Any recommendations??

Remember, until liver shunt and MVD are ruled out, do not give red meat, pork and preferrably nothing with liver as an ingredient. If she is cleared of shunts, these things are probably okay.

tjdmom · 03-18-2008, 01:43 PM

Teri... Just want to wish you luck with all of this. Kiwi sounds like an angel and you definately are an angel for taking in a pup with so many issues! I use petzlife too and the vet said Zoes teeth are perfect but then she's only a year old so who knows what it will look like when she gets to be Kiwi's age. I still do use a little tooth brush to brush it on but I think others have applied it with different things. Anyways, good luck and I hope the petzlife works for you guys!

LuvMyPrinceKobi · 03-19-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tjdmom

Teri... Just want to wish you luck with all of this. Kiwi sounds like an angel and you definately are an angel for taking in a pup with so many issues! I use petzlife too and the vet said Zoes teeth are perfect but then she's only a year old so who knows what it will look like when she gets to be Kiwi's age. I still do use a little tooth brush to brush it on but I think others have applied it with different things. Anyways, good luck and I hope the petzlife works for you guys!

Thanks for the well wishes. Kiwi is such a little sweetie.....she's my "supervisor"...never in the middle of action, but ALWAYS on her perch on the lookout lol.

That's so great that Zoe's are perfect. A lot of dogs have to have cleanings every year, so that's really great that hers are good still!! So when you use a lil tooth brush, how long do you brush for? THANKS!

I've got to take my "before" pics soon before I forget....just remembered

LuvMyPrinceKobi · 03-19-2008, 09:20 AM

Just to update, the dr called me today and said bloodwork looked good....

...so we're very excited! I guess they were only "slightly" elevated last time, and now they're back to normal. This is great news! Will be testing again in 6 mos

Ellie May · 03-19-2008, 09:26 AM

That's great news.

I'd still do a BAT though just in case it isn't epilepsy.

03-18-2008, 09:55 AM	#16
yorkiepup2 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 789	I would try brusing her teeth and see how she does.....try to make it fun for her and tell her she has pretty teeth when you're brushing them. I don't know if Petzlife has alcohol in it??? I think Leba III has alcohol in it....does anyone know? Does anyone use Leba III? If it were me, I'd probably try to keep her teeth and try to brush them every day. I would also probably not give her kibble if she's swallowing it whole. __________________ Kali and Nikki's Mommy

03-18-2008, 09:58 AM	#18
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	The canned food you use will depend on if she has liver or kidney problems. You could just go to Canidae for now if you like the brand. Canned food is also best for kidney problems. Or you could soak the dry food (with equal parts water). I like canned better though. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

03-18-2008, 10:30 AM	#25
LuvMyPrinceKobi & Reicher Baby, too! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 1,675	One more question...can't promise it's my last...lol... My local dog food store has these canned foods... By-Nature California Natural Innova Innova EVO Merrick Pinnacle Tripett Wellness Any recommendations?? __________________ Teri, Reicher , Kobi , Killian

03-19-2008, 09:20 AM	#29
LuvMyPrinceKobi & Reicher Baby, too! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 1,675	update Just to update, the dr called me today and said bloodwork looked good.... ...so we're very excited! I guess they were only "slightly" elevated last time, and now they're back to normal. This is great news! Will be testing again in 6 mos __________________ Teri, Reicher , Kobi , Killian

03-19-2008, 09:26 AM	#30
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	That's great news. I'd still do a BAT though just in case it isn't epilepsy. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

03-18-2008, 01:43 PM	#27
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	Teri... Just want to wish you luck with all of this. Kiwi sounds like an angel and you definately are an angel for taking in a pup with so many issues! I use petzlife too and the vet said Zoes teeth are perfect but then she's only a year old so who knows what it will look like when she gets to be Kiwi's age. I still do use a little tooth brush to brush it on but I think others have applied it with different things. Anyways, good luck and I hope the petzlife works for you guys!