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Tiggerwit · 03-21-2008, 09:15 AM

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I hate this thing.

I had said that Alphy got his bordetella Saturday and was doing the wheezing hairball thing too starting Monday. But very infrequently. The vet's office said he wouldn't get kennell cough from the shot. That it's unrelated, but why would it just happen out of the blue like that?

deb22 · 03-21-2008, 09:28 AM

I didn't know the vaccine could cause it. Just found that out from this thread. We think Penny was exposed to KC in the office right before she got the vaccine. And since it doesn't take effect for 2 weeks it didn't protect her after her exposure. I guess there is a possibility that she could have gotten it from the shot. I am going to ask the vet next time.

Tiggerwit · 03-21-2008, 09:36 AM

I just called another vet who also said no they can't get it from the shot. She said just to watch him and if it become an every day all day thing then bring him in but because it's so infrequent it may just be a case of bronchitis or a cold. Just monitor him and that I could put him in a steamy bathroom, but it's not that bad. It's only happened a hand full of times in the past week.

Ellie May · 03-21-2008, 09:39 AM

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ght=bordatella

Ellie May · 03-21-2008, 09:41 AM

Some vets don't know too much about vaccines except that they should shove in as many as possible.

Tiggerwit · 03-21-2008, 09:48 AM

Now I don't know what to do!! Sounds like I just need to ride it out, but what about Murphy? He is due for his next round of shots on Monday and I don't want to get the bordetella. Can I just get his distemper and worming?

Maybe I shouldn't go to Vegas now....

Ellie May · 03-21-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiggerwit

Now I don't know what to do!! Sounds like I just need to ride it out, but what about Murphy? He is due for his next round of shots on Monday and I don't want to get the bordetella. Can I just get his distemper and worming?

Maybe I shouldn't go to Vegas now....

How old is he?
Did the vet diagnose him with kennel cough?
Is he being medicated?
How many and what shots has he had

Tiggerwit · 03-21-2008, 10:03 AM

Alphy is 3 1/2 and no not diagnosed with KC I talked to them over the phone and I trust this vets office, they are one of the best in the area. I will definatly monitor him and if it progresses we are in like flynn.

Murphy is 13 weeks and had his first round of distemper, bordetella and worming from the people I got him from on 3/3. Vet said he'd be due again on 3/24. He has no symptoms of anything.

Ellie May · 03-21-2008, 10:11 AM

Oh, okay.
You don't have to get Murphy bordatella if you aren't comfortable with it.
You could ask the vet if it would hurt not to boost it but I'm sure it would be fine to not do it again...

Tiggerwit · 03-21-2008, 10:17 AM

Everything was so coincidental. At one point we wondered if Murphy trying to play maybe hurt his throat ???? Plus I just switched his food and I read on here somewhere that someones dog did this and it was a food allergy. There is just so many possiblities.

deb22 · 03-21-2008, 10:21 AM

Honestly, I think you should go to the vet and get antibiotics. Penny was only coughing "infrequently". Mostly at night. My vet said it sounds like KC because they seem to cough more at night. Something about them laying down. Which made sense to me, because, when she was in her bed there is an edge that she lays her head on, and she didn't cough as much as when she was laying flat. Penny's was caught early. They said if any more symptoms show, call them immediately. Hard coughing, green discharge from nose,not eating, runny stools. She is getting her meds twice a day. But they said even as it clears up the cough stays for as long as 6-8 weks. Except for the cough, she has no other symptoms-so far.(thank God)

This is just my opinion. Trying to help. sorry it is so long.

dawglvr4life · 03-21-2008, 07:24 PM

What are the signs?
Collapsing trachea or Reverse sneezing

With reverse sneezing the pharynx (back of the throat) goes into spasms. The dog finds it difficult to draw in air through the spasms, so it stands still, stretches out her neck, and thrusts its elbows out (like a bowlegged bulldog) as it honks, wheezes, or snorts. Often eyes open wide. The spasms will stop if she swallows a couple of times.

•Close off her nostrils with your fingers so it has to breathe through its mouth for a few seconds.
•Gently rub its throat. This works for some.
•Distract it by carrying the dog outside into the fresh air.

Young puppies can reverse sneeze, but the first episode typically occurs in late adolescence. Stay calm and get it to swallow with one of the methods described above. In a few seconds to a minute, it will run off to play. Reverse sneezing is a harmless phenomenon which needs no vet consultation and no medical treatment whatsoever. It is very common in toy breeds.

Other signs, however, will help you distinguish the two conditions:
If it makes these sounds when excited or after eating or drinking, or turns her elbows outward and extends its neck and gasps inward with a rhythmic snork! snork! snork!, this is reverse sneezing.
If it breathes through the mouth sometimes, or breathes with a raspy sound, or coughs reflexively when you simply rub its throat, it could have a collapsing trachea. If the cough is one or two expulsive outward bursts (forcing air through the trachea to open it), typically with a gag or empty retch at the end, she could have a collapsing trachea.

The most common clinical sign of collapsing trachea is a chronic cough. It is often described as dry and harsh and can become quite pronounced. The term "goose honk" is often used to describe it. Coughing is often worse in the daytime and much less at night. The cough may also begin due to excitement, pressure on the trachea (from a leash), or from drinking water or eating.

03-21-2008, 09:15 AM	#16
Tiggerwit Just me 'n my boys Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Murphy, TX Posts: 4,596	Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply. I hate this thing. I had said that Alphy got his bordetella Saturday and was doing the wheezing hairball thing too starting Monday. But very infrequently. The vet's office said he wouldn't get kennell cough from the shot. That it's unrelated, but why would it just happen out of the blue like that? __________________ "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting some kind of battle." Alphy 's Roxy Last edited by Tiggerwit; 03-21-2008 at 09:20 AM.

03-21-2008, 09:28 AM	#17
deb22 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: us Posts: 1,500	I didn't know the vaccine could cause it. Just found that out from this thread. We think Penny was exposed to KC in the office right before she got the vaccine. And since it doesn't take effect for 2 weeks it didn't protect her after her exposure. I guess there is a possibility that she could have gotten it from the shot. I am going to ask the vet next time. __________________ Deb and Penny (aka Miss Picky Pants) Member of the Spoiled Rotten Club

03-21-2008, 09:36 AM	#18
Tiggerwit Just me 'n my boys Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Murphy, TX Posts: 4,596	I just called another vet who also said no they can't get it from the shot. She said just to watch him and if it become an every day all day thing then bring him in but because it's so infrequent it may just be a case of bronchitis or a cold. Just monitor him and that I could put him in a steamy bathroom, but it's not that bad. It's only happened a hand full of times in the past week. __________________ "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting some kind of battle." Alphy 's Roxy

03-21-2008, 09:39 AM	#19
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ght=bordatella __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

03-21-2008, 09:41 AM	#20
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Some vets don't know too much about vaccines except that they should shove in as many as possible. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

03-21-2008, 09:48 AM	#21
Tiggerwit Just me 'n my boys Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Murphy, TX Posts: 4,596	Now I don't know what to do!! Sounds like I just need to ride it out, but what about Murphy? He is due for his next round of shots on Monday and I don't want to get the bordetella. Can I just get his distemper and worming? Maybe I shouldn't go to Vegas now.... __________________ "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting some kind of battle." Alphy 's Roxy

03-21-2008, 10:03 AM	#23
Tiggerwit Just me 'n my boys Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Murphy, TX Posts: 4,596	Alphy is 3 1/2 and no not diagnosed with KC I talked to them over the phone and I trust this vets office, they are one of the best in the area. I will definatly monitor him and if it progresses we are in like flynn. Murphy is 13 weeks and had his first round of distemper, bordetella and worming from the people I got him from on 3/3. Vet said he'd be due again on 3/24. He has no symptoms of anything. __________________ "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting some kind of battle." Alphy 's Roxy

03-21-2008, 10:11 AM	#24
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Oh, okay. You don't have to get Murphy bordatella if you aren't comfortable with it. You could ask the vet if it would hurt not to boost it but I'm sure it would be fine to not do it again... __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

03-21-2008, 10:17 AM	#25
Tiggerwit Just me 'n my boys Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Murphy, TX Posts: 4,596	Everything was so coincidental. At one point we wondered if Murphy trying to play maybe hurt his throat ???? Plus I just switched his food and I read on here somewhere that someones dog did this and it was a food allergy. There is just so many possiblities. __________________ "Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting some kind of battle." Alphy 's Roxy

03-21-2008, 10:21 AM	#26
deb22 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: us Posts: 1,500	Honestly, I think you should go to the vet and get antibiotics. Penny was only coughing "infrequently". Mostly at night. My vet said it sounds like KC because they seem to cough more at night. Something about them laying down. Which made sense to me, because, when she was in her bed there is an edge that she lays her head on, and she didn't cough as much as when she was laying flat. Penny's was caught early. They said if any more symptoms show, call them immediately. Hard coughing, green discharge from nose,not eating, runny stools. She is getting her meds twice a day. But they said even as it clears up the cough stays for as long as 6-8 weks. Except for the cough, she has no other symptoms-so far.(thank God) This is just my opinion. Trying to help. sorry it is so long. __________________ Deb and Penny (aka Miss Picky Pants) Member of the Spoiled Rotten Club

03-21-2008, 07:24 PM	#27
dawglvr4life Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Central PA Posts: 114	What are the signs? Collapsing trachea or Reverse sneezing With reverse sneezing the pharynx (back of the throat) goes into spasms. The dog finds it difficult to draw in air through the spasms, so it stands still, stretches out her neck, and thrusts its elbows out (like a bowlegged bulldog) as it honks, wheezes, or snorts. Often eyes open wide. The spasms will stop if she swallows a couple of times. •Close off her nostrils with your fingers so it has to breathe through its mouth for a few seconds. •Gently rub its throat. This works for some. •Distract it by carrying the dog outside into the fresh air. Young puppies can reverse sneeze, but the first episode typically occurs in late adolescence. Stay calm and get it to swallow with one of the methods described above. In a few seconds to a minute, it will run off to play. Reverse sneezing is a harmless phenomenon which needs no vet consultation and no medical treatment whatsoever. It is very common in toy breeds. Other signs, however, will help you distinguish the two conditions: If it makes these sounds when excited or after eating or drinking, or turns her elbows outward and extends its neck and gasps inward with a rhythmic snork! snork! snork!, this is reverse sneezing. If it breathes through the mouth sometimes, or breathes with a raspy sound, or coughs reflexively when you simply rub its throat, it could have a collapsing trachea. If the cough is one or two expulsive outward bursts (forcing air through the trachea to open it), typically with a gag or empty retch at the end, she could have a collapsing trachea. The most common clinical sign of collapsing trachea is a chronic cough. It is often described as dry and harsh and can become quite pronounced. The term "goose honk" is often used to describe it. Coughing is often worse in the daytime and much less at night. The cough may also begin due to excitement, pressure on the trachea (from a leash), or from drinking water or eating.