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Old 01-27-2008, 05:47 PM   #1
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Default Okay, bacon is bad, but what about chicken?

I posted about my mom giving my babies bacon a couple of times a week and certainly got the message that that was not okay. I am bad also though. I usually give them a piece of low fat string cheese every morning as a treat and put a few pieces of organic plain baked chicken mixed in their dog food. If I dont do that, they wont eat it. I have tried not doing it and they go for days without eating. Is this much chicken bad for them even though its just a few pieces? Im so confused because on the other post someone listed all the foods that are bad for dogs and vegetables also were listed but I know that Yorkie talkers who home feed give all kinds of vegetables. The treats I have been giving lately are sweet potatoes wrapped in chicken. I assumed they were okay. Boy caring for these dogs is harder than I thought.
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I posted about my mom giving my babies bacon a couple of times a week and certainly got the message that that was not okay. I am bad also though. I usually give them a piece of low fat string cheese every morning as a treat and put a few pieces of organic plain baked chicken mixed in their dog food. If I dont do that, they wont eat it. I have tried not doing it and they go for days without eating. Is this much chicken bad for them even though its just a few pieces? Im so confused because on the other post someone listed all the foods that are bad for dogs and vegetables also were listed but I know that Yorkie talkers who home feed give all kinds of vegetables. The treats I have been giving lately are sweet potatoes wrapped in chicken. I assumed they were okay. Boy caring for these dogs is harder than I thought.
Vegetables are bad for dogs?

It depends on the kind of chicken. I would give WHITE meat chicken (breasts are good), boiled with no seasonings. No skin or fat. Does that help?

Sweet potato peeled and cooked is fine.
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Old 01-28-2008, 06:37 AM   #3
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As far as I know the banned items are:

no chocolate

no onions

no grapes

no pork

nothing with artificial sweeteners in them (no sugar-free muffins etc)


I feed mine a little (quarter size) piece of cheese occasionally and they do get a piece of baked chicken occassionally. Mine don't like vegetables (unless they're covered in cheese), but a friend's yorkie loves them.

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i think chicken is fine as long as it's plain without salt. i give mine boiled chicken as treats sometimes.
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Raisins are very bad, can kill a 15 lb dog. Chicken if it's boiled(only white meat) is fine..Vegetables aren't bad, I posted foods harmful to dogs, they say they can't digest certain ones when they are big, like carrots, they either need those in small pieces or shredded. You just don't want to ever give a dog a lot of people food, makes them picky eaters and a lot of our food isn't good for them..You can do a search, just put in foods toxic to dogs, it will give you a very long list
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As far as I know the banned items are:

no chocolate

no onions

no grapes

no pork

nothing with artificial sweeteners in them (no sugar-free muffins etc)


I feed mine a little (quarter size) piece of cheese occasionally and they do get a piece of baked chicken occassionally. Mine don't like vegetables (unless they're covered in cheese), but a friend's yorkie loves them.

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NO GRAPES?! Oh no I have been giving my baby rasins for treats! I'm glad I read this. Do I need to be worried? I've only been doing it for about a week and a half.
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NO GRAPES?! Oh no I have been giving my baby rasins for treats! I'm glad I read this. Do I need to be worried? I've only been doing it for about a week and a half.
Yes, I would be very concerned.
Watch for kidney problems.
Ellie ate grapes before I knew and raisins too but as few as I think seven grapes can cause kidney damage in a dog (and I think they mean larger dog...).
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Do the potatoes have to be peeled? I made a batch of food up and put cut up red potatoes unpeeled, is this ok? I'm going on my third week of feeding a mix of chicke,veggies,brown rice and they are loving it.They seem to have more energy,the down side is more poop and always wanting to eat.
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Here is what i just found I hope it helps


Many common foods are actually harmful or even fatal to dogs. Some of these (listed below) will surprise you. Others are things you would never give your dog purposefully, but now you will be more careful to not let them be in your dog's reach. And some just need to be limited to small amounts.

Avocados (fruit, pit, and plant) are toxic to dogs. Avocados contain a toxic component called persin, which can damage heart, lung and other tissue in many animals. They are high in fat and can trigger stomach upset, vomiting and even pancreatitis. Symptoms of toxicity include difficulty breathing, abdominal enlargement, abnormal fluid accumulations in the chest, abdomen and sac around the heart. The amount that needs to be ingested to cause signs is unknown. The effects on dogs and cats are not completely understood. GI signs are commonly seen and should be treated symptomatically. In addition, the animal should be monitored closely for other clinical signs related to the cardiovascular system. (This information comes from veterinarians, the American Veterinary Medicine Association, and the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center.)

Onions destroy red blood cells and can cause anemia, weakness, and breathing difficulty. Even small amounts can cause cumulative damage over time. This includes onions or chives - raw, powdered, dehydrated, or cooked.

Large amounts of garlic cause the same problems as onions. Garlic contains only a small amount of the problematic substance that is in onions. Just as with people, moderation is the key.

Grapes and raisins can cause kidney failure in dogs. As little as a single serving of raisins can kill him. If the dog doesn't eat enough at one time to be fatal, he can be severely damaged by eating just a few grapes or raisins regularly.

Tomatoes (plant and fruit) contain tomatine, an alkaloid related to solanine. As the fruit ripens, the tomatine is metabolized. Therefore, ripe tomatoes are less likely to be problematic for animals. Clinical signs of poisoning include lethargy, drooling, difficulty breathing, colic, vomiting, diarrhea or constipation, widely-dilated pupils, paralysis, cardiac effects, central nervous system signs (e.g., ataxia, muscle weakness, tremors, seizures), resulting from cholinesterase inhibition, coma and death. (This information comes from veterinarians, and the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center.) (All parts of the plant except the tomato itself are poisonous to humans, although some people are sensitive to the ripe fruit also.)
Tomatoes also contain atropine, which can cause dilated pupils, tremors, and heart arrhythmias. The highest concentration of atropine is found in the leaves and stems of tomato plants, with less in unripe (green) tomatoes, and even less in ripe (red) tomatoes.

Nutmeg can cause tremors, seizures and death.

Caffeine (from coffee, coffee grounds, tea, or tea bags) stimulates the central nervous and cardiac systems, and can cause vomiting, restlessness, heart palpitations, and even death within hours.

Diet products containing the sweetener Xylitol can cause a sudden drop in blood sugar, resulting in depression, loss of coordination and seizures. Unless treatment is given quickly, the dog could die.

Macadamia nuts can cause weakness, muscle tremor and paralysis. These symptoms are usually temporary.

Walnuts. When dogs eat the seed hulls, they can get an upset stomach and diarrhea. The real problem is the fungus or mold that attacks walnuts after they get wet (from rain or sprinklers), which produces toxins. If the fungus or mold is ingested by your dogs, they can become very ill and possibly die. Signs that should alert you to walnut poisoning are vomiting, trembling, drooling, lack of coordination, lethargy, loss of appetite, and jaundice indications such as yellowing eyes and gums. Severely affected dogs can produce blood-tinged vomit or stools. Dogs can take several days to exhibit serious signs of illness.

Chocolate can cause seizures, coma and death. Bakerís chocolate is the most dangerous. The darker the chocolate, the more dangerous it is. But any chocolate, in large enough amounts, can kill a dog. An ounce of chocolate can poison a 30-pound dog, and many dogs will happily consume more than this. The symptoms may not show up for several hours (and so might make you think all is well), with death following within twenty-four hours. A dog can consume milk chocolate and appear to be fine because it is not as concentrated, but it is still dangerous.

Apple seeds, cherry pits, peach pits, pear pips, plums pits, and apricot pits contain cyanide, which is poisonous. While a few apple seeds may not cause a problem, the effects can accumulate over time if they are given to dogs regularly. Dogs should not be allowed to chew on a peach pit, cherry pit, apricot pit, or plum pit. Chewing can allow ingestion of cyanide. Chewing could also result in the pit being swallowed, causing continuous exposure to cyanide, or could cause the dog to choke.

Too much salt can cause kidney problems. Also, large breeds of dogs that eat salty food may then drink too much water and develop bloat, which is fatal unless emergency treatment is given very quickly.

Too much fat or fried foods can cause pancreatitis.

Ham and bacon contain too much fat and too much salt, and can cause pancreatitis. Also, large breeds of dogs that eat salty food may drink too much water and develop a life-threatening condition called bloat. This is where the stomach fills up with gas and within several hours may twist, causing death.

Raw liver or too much cooked liver (three servings a week) can lead to vitamin A toxicity. This can cause deformed bones, excessive bone growth on the elbows and spine, weight loss, and anorexia. Check the label of your canned dog food to be sure that it does not contain liver if you are giving your dog liver also.

Wild mushrooms can cause abdominal pain, drooling, liver damage, kidney damage, vomiting, diarrhea, convulsions, coma, or death.

Raw egg whites contain a protein called avidin, which can deplete your dog of biotin, one of the B vitamins. Biotin is essential to your dogís growth and coat health. The lack of it can cause hair loss, weakness, growth retardation, or skeleton deformity. Raw egg yolks contain enough biotin to prevent the deficiency, so this is not a problem with raw whole eggs. Raw egg yolks could contain salmonella, so you should get your eggs from a reliable source or cook the eggs.

Grains should not be given in large amounts or make up a large part of a dogís diet, but rice is generally safe in small amounts.

Cooked bones can splinter and tear a dogís internal organs.

Dogs can't digest most vegetables (carrots, green beans, lettuce, potatoes or yams) whole or in large pieces. Potato peels and green potatoes are dangerous.

Dairy products are high in fat, which can cause pancreatitis, gas and diarrhea. A small amount of non-fat, plain yogurt is usually safe.

Pennies made from the 1980s to today contain zinc, which can cause kidney failure and damage to red blood cells. A dog that consumes even one penny can become quite sick, or even die, if the penny is not removed.
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Do the potatoes have to be peeled? I made a batch of food up and put cut up red potatoes unpeeled, is this ok? I'm going on my third week of feeding a mix of chicke,veggies,brown rice and they are loving it.They seem to have more energy,the down side is more poop and always wanting to eat.
I wouldn't be too concerned. Just peel 'em next time. I always peel white potato because the green on the skins is very bad. Never given the red but I think it will be okay. It can't be any worse than what is in dog food.

Are you supplementing?
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maxs_momma... Very good post, I am going to paste and copy that and when I sell a puppy I will give them a copy.....it could save lives and heartache.

cinnamonmon: I try to stick with healthy treats that I know work. Baked or boiled sweet potato, steamed broccoli, steamed green beans, string cheese, a little cottage cheese, scrabbled or boiled eggs.....all these things if give only in small amounts. The best treat mine love is the Natural Balance Lamb and Rice Dog Food Rolls that are sold at Pet-co. I just cut up small bites as a treat. A little boiled chicken is okay. You can steam some chopped broccoli and mix that with a little boiled sweet potato and at a little of that mixture to their kibble.....mine go crazy over that. Also steamed peas and carrots are very good for them.

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Chicken should be fine as long as there are no allergy reactions to it.
Some little ones are allergic to chicken.
Buddy is not. He gets feed boiled chicken with his kibble 2x daily.
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No, I'm not supplementing ,what should I be using? Will missing link work? Also do you know the ratio of the chicken,veggie,rice?
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I wouldn't be too concerned. Just peel 'em next time. I always peel white potato because the green on the skins is very bad. Never given the red but I think it will be okay. It can't be any worse than what is in dog food.

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maxs_momma... Very good post, I am going to paste and copy that and when I sell a puppy I will give them a copy.....it could save lives and heartache.

cinnamonmon: I try to stick with healthy treats that I know work. Baked or boiled sweet potato, steamed broccoli, steamed green beans, string cheese, a little cottage cheese, scrabbled or boiled eggs.....all these things if give only in small amounts. The best treat mine love is the Natural Balance Lamb and Rice Dog Food Rolls that are sold at Pet-co. I just cut up small bites as a treat. A little boiled chicken is okay. You can steam some chopped broccoli and mix that with a little boiled sweet potato and at a little of that mixture to their kibble.....mine go crazy over that. Also steamed peas and carrots are very good for them.

Cinnamonmon you are very welcome and that is a great idea i think you should spread the word to other breeder's about sending a paper out like that when they sell a puppy because i know alot of people have no idea some of that stuff is bad for dogs i know i didn't know until read it.
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No, I'm not supplementing ,what should I be using? Will missing link work? Also do you know the ratio of the chicken,veggie,rice?
I think this is the most difficult part of homecooking. There are probably hundreds of different things you could use to supplement. I use something that you have to get through a vet or nutritionist. Some people on YT use Dr. Pitcairn's healthy powder (from his book). I'm not convinced this is a good mixture of supplements. I have no idea either way. It works well for some. Missing Link will not work. It is a good supplement but I don't think there are nearly enough vitamins in it for this. It also has very little calcium in it. Not even feeding yogurt or cottage cheese everyday would be near enough calcium. You can use bone meal, egg shells or calcium tablets. I used a nutritionist for Ellie, so I don't have to be concerned if her meals are balanced. You could just get a book though. Dr. Pitcairn is fine for some, but some of the things he says are not accurate, so that's your call.

The amounts of meat, veggies, carb don't really matter as long as you know the dog is getting enough protein (atleast 18-20%). And just because you add 20% chicken to a meal doesn't mean it is 20% protein. So I prefer to talk to a nutritionist or use a recipe. I quoted the lowest amount of protein you would want to feed. More would be acceptable. You also have to make sure you are giving enough fat and not too much. I think 25% is too high for Yorkies. Ellie gets about 18%. That is even a bit high.

You could just take the easy way out of supplementing and use BalanceIT K. That is what I do.
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