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chachi 11-20-2007 02:00 PM
It sounds like pancreatus to me hopefully someone who has some personal experience with it will answer your post

YorkieShadow 11-20-2007 02:04 PM
Keeping her in my T&P , I hope she feels better soon.

Wylie's Mom 11-20-2007 02:07 PM
Oh Lauren! I'm just seeing this now, I'm so sorry I didn't post earlier. How is the little baby?

Well, if her blood sugar is high - amylase would naturally be higher too bc amylase is the enzyme that uptakes sugar. Her labs could be off simply from having such a bad episode of nauseousness - that can throw electrolytes off.

I wonder if she got into something outside - my guys have before and it's SO scary not knowing what's going on. I always try to feed extra water, get some rice or potato in them asap, give nutrical, check gums - you could even give a bit of pepto if she is still nauseous.

I'm not too surprised by the shaking - vomiting can pretty violent and scary for these little babies. I DO hope she is feeling better!

laurenr 11-20-2007 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 1537929)
Oh Lauren! I'm just seeing this now, I'm so sorry I didn't post earlier. How is the little baby?

Well, if her blood sugar is high - amylase would naturally be higher too bc amylase is the enzyme that uptakes sugar. Her labs could be off simply from having such a bad episode of nauseousness - that can throw electrolytes off.

I wonder if she got into something outside - my guys have before and it's SO scary not knowing what's going on. I always try to feed extra water, get some rice or potato in them asap, give nutrical, check gums - you could even give a bit of pepto if she is still nauseous.

I'm not too surprised by the shaking - vomiting can pretty violent and scary for these little babies. I DO hope she is feeling better!
Oh I am so pleased to see you here!! I always tell others to look for your posts when their babies are ill with diet/tummy issues.
Are you saying the the high blood sugar would cause the AMY levels to test higher?? I know so little about these conditions, it's so frustrating. I just spoke to Hubby Jack. He gave her about 8 Honey Nut Cheerios this morning (argh!), whereas I would normally only give her 1 or 2 as a treat. Could this have elevated the glucose so much?? Could the vomiting, as you say, have caused both the bad test results? I am just worried sick now about something genetic.:(:(
Lauren

vviccles1 11-20-2007 02:26 PM
I am so sorry about Mango and hopefully the vet will come up with something soon!I am so sorry that you are worrying,my prayers are with you and Mango!

yorkiecrazy 11-20-2007 02:31 PM
Hope you hear from your vet soon...I know your going nuts with worry. Prayer and hugs for you and little Mango.

laurenr 11-20-2007 02:37 PM
double posted- sorry

saphire 11-20-2007 02:39 PM
Lauren I'm going to bed now (12.40am) can't keep my eyes open.
I hope you hear from the vet soon. I will be praying for you. Will look in in the morning. Ohhh, really hoping she is ok!

Hugs,

laurenr 11-20-2007 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by saphire (Post 1538029)
Lauren I'm going to bed now (12.40am) can't keep my eyes open.
I hope you hear from the vet soon. I will be praying for you. Will look in in the morning. Ohhh, really hoping she is ok!

Hugs,
Thanks Hon, slaap lekker - I will "talk" to you in the morning (your time).
Lauren

Surfie and Tiki 11-20-2007 02:51 PM
Lauren, I know you are worried sick. I am not experienced with test results. You might want to ask in the Sick/Emergency section. People might be able to help you there as well, as Wiley's Mom has....


Hugs to you, and kisses to Mango!
Janell

Wylie's Mom 11-20-2007 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by laurenr (Post 1537971)
Oh I am so pleased to see you here!! I always tell others to look for your posts when their babies are ill with diet/tummy issues.
Are you saying the the high blood sugar would cause the AMY levels to test higher?? I know so little about these conditions, it's so frustrating. I just spoke to Hubby Jack. He gave her about 8 Honey Nut Cheerios this morning (argh!), whereas I would normally only give her 1 or 2 as a treat. Could this have elevated the glucose so much?? Could the vomiting, as you say, have caused both the bad test results? I am just worried sick now about something genetic.:(:(
Lauren
Gosh, I wouldn't think 8 cheerios would do anything to outrageous, but maybe coupled w/ some other contributing factor (eating something outside?), perhaps.

Yes, AMY levels would go along w/ sugars. Like, if you put a piece of candy (or any sugar/carb) in your mouth, the pancreas is stimulated to release amylase to begin sugar/glucose digestion - so they are intimately tied together. It could be just from her system being thrown into vomiting - as in, perhaps she was so dehydrated that her blood became "concentrated" rather than "dilute" - so her sugars are "up". But I can't say for sure - it's so hard to know. It would be nice if they tested again to see how the level is now and then again after eating (so, fasting and eating) - have they done that?

Try not to worry too much, hun, but I know how hard that is! It could really just be an isolated, but scary, incident. Keep us posted!!!! HUGS!

laurenr 11-20-2007 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Surfie and Tiki (Post 1538071)
Lauren, I know you are worried sick. I am not experienced with test results. You might want to ask in the Sick/Emergency section. People might be able to help you there as well, as Wiley's Mom has....


Hugs to you, and kisses to Mango!
Janell
Janell,
You're probably right. I posted here because I thought more members would see it, and the more that could give some answers. Still waiting on the call from the Vet. I so appreciate your concern.
Lauren

laurenr 11-20-2007 03:20 PM
I want you all to know how much I treasure you. I knew this morning when Mango first showed symptoms, that the best support I could possibly get, would come from y'all here at YT.

I SO APPRECIATE all the concern and support from each and every one of you. Thank you!
Big hug to all,
Lauren:ghug:

mistyinca 11-20-2007 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by laurenr (Post 1538148)
Janell,
You're probably right. I posted here because I thought more members would see it, and the more that could give some answers. Still waiting on the call from the Vet. I so appreciate your concern.
Lauren
Lauren,

I know too well how frustrating and aggravating in can be waiting on those test results. When I had Chloe's bile acid tests done, I called in every half-hour to get the results.

How is Mango doing now. Is she still vomiting, or has she eaten and seemed better for the time being?

chachi 11-20-2007 03:21 PM
Is your vet going to run tests on the pancreas and glucose levels again to see If it was just a high reading because of the vomiting. I am keeping your little Mango in my thoughts and prayers

laurenr 11-20-2007 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mistyinca (Post 1538161)
Lauren,

I know too well how frustrating and aggravating in can be waiting on those test results. When I had Chloe's bile acid tests done, I called in every half-hour to get the results.

How is Mango doing now. Is she still vomiting, or has she eaten and seemed better for the time being?
She seemed quite perky when I brought her home, but is now sleeping curled up against me. She had a shot for the vomiting. I am watching her like a hawk.

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 1538163)
Is your vet going to run tests on the pancreas and glucose levels again to see If it was just a high reading because of the vomiting. I am keeping your little Mango in my thoughts and prayers
Excellent idea!! Thank you. I will most definitely insist on the same test being run next week, hopefully when she is completely back to normal. I think that is the only way to get definitive results on her normal levels, when there are no symptoms presenting themselves that would otherwise affect the test levels.
Lauren

PrincessTinker 11-20-2007 03:40 PM
OMG I am just reading this:( Sending get well hugs and kisses and praying that everything is O.K.:angel2dl: :hands: :hands: :big_hug:

AprilLove 11-20-2007 04:20 PM
Lauren I just found this. I hope little Mango is feeling better! I know you must be worried. I can't add much to all the good info here, except I do know that there are certain levels that will rise above normal when an animal is nervous/ distressed (like being at the vet ;) ), I think it is a good idea to have bloodwork repeated later after she is doing well, and get a truer picture of what may or may not be going on.
Hopefully she just had a bad day. I am sending warm healing thoughts for Mango and a hug for her mommy.

laurenr 11-20-2007 04:20 PM
I just got off the phone with the Vet. He seemed far more concerned with the Amylase levels than the Glucose. He wants to test her again on Monday and compare results.
It is definitely Pancreatitis (so far), but I just wish I knew for sure what is causing it. If it's as simple as something she ate, then that would make me so happy; it's the not knowing that is driving me nuts.
Mango has been sleeping now for so long. Usually, this time of the day, she is doing zoomies around the family room, yapping at me to play with her. I look at that sweet defenseless little face while she is curled up, and I just want to take whatever is making her sick and put it in me instead.

Argh!
Lauren:(

laurenr 11-20-2007 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 1538303)
Lauren I just found this. I hope little Mango is feeling better! I know you must be worried. I can't add much to all the good info here, except I do know that there are certain levels that will rise above normal when an animal is nervous/ distressed (like being at the vet ;) ), I think it is a good idea to have bloodwork repeated later after she is doing well, and get a truer picture of what may or may not be going on.
Hopefully she just had a bad day. I am sending warm healing thoughts for Mango and a hug for her mommy.
I did not think of that- thank you!! Mango gets very, very distressed when she goes to the Vet. I wonder if that could account at least for the elevated sugar levels, seeing as they were not as out of whack as the AMY results?
Lauren

BellieBoo 11-20-2007 06:04 PM
Lauren, i just read your post... i hope Mango gets better soon, you're in our T&P take care :)

kisses from Belle and Nicole

laurenr 11-20-2007 06:49 PM
Well, I just fed Mango a small amount of food - the Vet said he wanted her on Canine a/d for the next few days. Normally after dinner is her "zoomies" period. She is just lying on my lap, showing no interest in her toys. So I guess it's now just a "wait and see" if she keeps her food down. I have given her a few drops of the prescribed anti-nausea medication as well.

Thank you all SO much for your advice, concern and well wishes.:)
Lauren

saphire 11-20-2007 09:01 PM
Morning Lauren, I hope you managed to get some sleep. How is Mango today?
I pray there is good news.
:hug:

laurenr 11-20-2007 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by saphire (Post 1539202)
Morning Lauren, I hope you managed to get some sleep. How is Mango today?
I pray there is good news.
:hug:
Hi Sheilagh,
Nothing encouraging yet.:( She started dry heaving about an hour ago, but nothing is coming out of her. Her beard is damp, but I see nothing on the floor. I am not used to seeing Mango like this, with no energy, just looking "sad" and kind of dragging herself around, like she has just no energy at all.She's known around here as "demented Mango" because of her boundless mischievousness and never ending "puppy syndrome" behavior. Not tonight. I will stay up with her quite a bit longer,(it's about 10 PM California time) and she will sleep right next to me. I am a very light sleeper and will hear any sounds she makes.
Hugs,
Lauren

Wylie's Mom 11-21-2007 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by laurenr (Post 1539293)
Nothing encouraging yet.:( She started dry heaving about an hour ago, but nothing is coming out of her. Her beard is damp, but I see nothing on the floor. I am not used to seeing Mango like this, with no energy, just looking "sad" and kind of dragging herself around, like she has just no energy at all.
Oh darn! I was hoping to hear she was back to her zoomie self! I'm up early - so you probably aren't even up yet - but I do hope she is feeling better after last night's sleep. I'm sending more good thoughts your way! Marcel and Wylie send kisses to Mango! Keep me posted, Ann

Betty'sMom 11-21-2007 06:47 AM
Mango-I hope you are feeling better today! I've been thinking about you. (HUGS)

laurenr 11-21-2007 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 1538135)
Gosh, I wouldn't think 8 cheerios would do anything to outrageous, but maybe coupled w/ some other contributing factor (eating something outside?), perhaps.

Yes, AMY levels would go along w/ sugars. Like, if you put a piece of candy (or any sugar/carb) in your mouth, the pancreas is stimulated to release amylase to begin sugar/glucose digestion - so they are intimately tied together. It could be just from her system being thrown into vomiting - as in, perhaps she was so dehydrated that her blood became "concentrated" rather than "dilute" - so her sugars are "up". But I can't say for sure - it's so hard to know. It would be nice if they tested again to see how the level is now and then again after eating (so, fasting and eating) - have they done that?

Try not to worry too much, hun, but I know how hard that is! It could really just be an isolated, but scary, incident. Keep us posted!!!! HUGS!
Anne, I can't believe I missed your post above! Thank you for that useful information. I swear you should be a nutritionist with all the knowledge you have! I am hoping what you said is the case with Mango. She was vomiting SO much, perhaps that is what caused the elevated Glucose and Amylase levels. The Vet will test her on Monday again and I will be asking about the fasting/eating.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 1539492)
Oh darn! I was hoping to hear she was back to her zoomie self! I'm up early - so you probably aren't even up yet - but I do hope she is feeling better after last night's sleep. I'm sending more good thoughts your way! Marcel and Wylie send kisses to Mango! Keep me posted, Ann
Mango seems far more energetic this morning and slept through the night...... not so the case with her Mama:). I kept waking up and shining a torch around her to see if she had vomited again. YIPPEE! no vomit and this moring she seems so much more perky than last night.

Mango sends lotsa kisses back to the boys and big hugs to their Mommy for her sage advice:animal36,
Lauren

EDIT: I have one more important question for you: Is it possible that an incident like this can cause permanent damage to her Pancreas???

Keno 11-21-2007 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by laurenr (Post 1538185)
She seemed quite perky when I brought her home, but is now sleeping curled up against me. She had a shot for the vomiting. I am watching her like a hawk.
what was the shot the vet gave her? Keno had an episode like this Saturday
and the vet gave her a Cerenia shot and tablets for me to give her as needed ...
I was just wondering if it was the same medicine .... it worked ...

Dina_Nichole 11-21-2007 09:48 AM
Oh no, poor Mango. I'm just now seeing this thread. I hope Mango is feeling better real soon. I know how worried you must be. :( Give Mango tons of little kisses from all of us. Keeping you guys in our prayers.

laurenr 11-21-2007 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keno (Post 1540128)
what was the shot the vet gave her? Keno had an episode like this Saturday
and the vet gave her a Cerenia shot and tablets for me to give her as needed ...
I was just wondering if it was the same medicine .... it worked ...
Mango's shot was Reglan and the Vet gave me some drops to take home. It seemed to work, although she did do some dry heaving last night. This morning, no vomiting, thank goodness!
Lauren:)


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