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mminichan 11-09-2007 07:48 AM
I do really want to go for the real RAW diet..but not sure what to get for Chloe? How much should I feed her? How to make sure she get all the nutrition she need? Okay...my confession...I don't even have time to cook for myself! So, how do I prepare RAW meal for Chloe :confused:

kalina82 11-09-2007 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by mminichan (Post 1503587)
I do really want to go for the real RAW diet..but not sure what to get for Chloe? How much should I feed her? How to make sure she get all the nutrition she need? Okay...my confession...I don't even have time to cook for myself! So, how do I prepare RAW meal for Chloe :confused:
here are some easy meals to prepare for her

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

LOL:D

Tissy 11-09-2007 07:55 AM
Well I am going today and buy some of the medallions to start Delilah on the raw. And my MAIN reason is not only for the nutritional aspect but mostly for the dental benefit! So my plan is to feed the medallions in the morning as I get ready for work and her evening meal will consist of the "sure nuff" raw. I admit the medallions are for my convenience and plus until I learn more about proper ratio I would feel better knowing she is probably getting everything she needs from the medallions...plus some. I do hope to finally become as experience as some of you fine folks here and do away with the pre-made as the closest place to get it is a 2 hour drive!

mminichan 11-09-2007 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tissy (Post 1503613)
Well I am going today and buy some of the medallions to start Delilah on the raw. And my MAIN reason is not only for the nutritional aspect but mostly for the dental benefit! So my plan is to feed the medallions in the morning as I get ready for work and her evening meal will consist of the "sure nuff" raw. I admit the medallions are for my convenience and plus until I learn more about proper ratio I would feel better knowing she is probably getting everything she needs from the medallions...plus some. I do hope to finally become as experience as some of you fine folks here and do away with the pre-made as the closest place to get it is a 2 hour drive!

It amazed me that you are going to drive for 2 hours to get NV!! What a great mommy you are!! Just make sure you use the coupon!! ;)

mminichan 11-09-2007 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 1503607)
here are some easy meals to prepare for her

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

LOL:D
Okay..but how much do I give it to her? She is b/w 6 to 6.5 lbs. If I prepare meal for her, then do I need to get supplement?

Thanks!

mminichan 11-09-2007 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tissy (Post 1503613)
Well I am going today and buy some of the medallions to start Delilah on the raw. And my MAIN reason is not only for the nutritional aspect but mostly for the dental benefit! So my plan is to feed the medallions in the morning as I get ready for work and her evening meal will consist of the "sure nuff" raw. I admit the medallions are for my convenience and plus until I learn more about proper ratio I would feel better knowing she is probably getting everything she needs from the medallions...plus some. I do hope to finally become as experience as some of you fine folks here and do away with the pre-made as the closest place to get it is a 2 hour drive!
Also, from my own experience this morning..just make sure you cut the medallions into smaller pieces! Chloe basically just swallow the whole thing without chewing it! So, I dobut she gets much dental benefit!

Tissy 11-09-2007 08:10 AM
Thanks for the heads up! Delilah is so picky I am hoping she will want to gobble it up too! She is a 2 pounder so I am always worried about her choking! I think she may have the collapsing trachea that so many of them have. She can just scratch under her neck and hack.:(

JCarlson2004 11-09-2007 08:52 AM
I actually found a store that carries Nature's Variety and Primal raw food close to my house, yippie!!!! So I can pick the food up in person and not have to order it on-line (and pay that extra shipping expense -- raw food seems to be pretty pricey to ship because they have to ensure that it stays fresh and cold).

I'm going to my butcher tonight after work to buy some ground beef and some ground buffalo (maybe even some ground pork if I can get a good sale). I would really prefer to buy my own meat rather than buy pre-packaged meat but I will mix both for right now to help me get started.

PS - What does feeding "prey-model" mean?

JCarlson2004 11-09-2007 08:57 AM
Question about Nature's Variety. We "think" Codie is allergic to chicken and maybe turkey (that's what my vet suggested) but we are not 100% sure. Right now his allergies are so severe that he licks his poor little paws raw. :( :( So I want to avoid those meats until his allergies are under control and then slowly re-introduce them raw because he may not be allergic to them in their natural, raw form.

Ok so here's my question. Nature's Variety has chicken eggs in some of their raw products. Would that effect Codie if he truly is allergice to chicken? Should I just stick to Primal right now? Nature's Variety seems to have a lot more options meat wise.

Also, what about duck or quali meat? If Codie is allergic to chicken/turkey, will be also be allergic to duck and quail and any type of bird meat?

What do you experts think? I know it's all trial and error but I just feel so bad for him. He hurts to even cut his nails right now because his paws are so raw. :(

mminichan 11-09-2007 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1503829)
Question about Nature's Variety. We "think" Codie is allergic to chicken and maybe turkey (that's what my vet suggested) but we are not 100% sure. Right now his allergies are so severe that he licks his poor little paws raw. :( :( So I want to avoid those meats until his allergies are under control and then slowly re-introduce them raw because he may not be allergic to them in their natural, raw form.

Ok so here's my question. Nature's Variety has chicken eggs in some of their raw products. Would that effect Codie if he truly is allergice to chicken? Should I just stick to Primal right now? Nature's Variety seems to have a lot more options meat wise.

Also, what about duck or quali meat? If Codie is allergic to chicken/turkey, will be also be allergic to duck and quail and any type of bird meat?

What do you experts think? I know it's all trial and error but I just feel so bad for him. He hurts to even cut his nails right now because his paws are so raw. :(

Okay, I am not an expert on RAW..but I do have a Qs...if our furbaby constantly licking their paws...is that mean they are allergic to something? I notice Chloe been licking or "biting" her little paws lately....I thought she might be just "cleaning" herself like cat does? :confused: Oh man...my poor baby, she might be allegric to something and her mommy doesn't even know that!

Wylie's Mom 11-09-2007 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1503829)
We "think" Codie is allergic to chicken and maybe turkey (that's what my vet suggested) but we are not 100% sure. So I want to avoid those meats until his allergies are under control and then slowly re-introduce them raw because he may not be allergic to them in their natural, raw form.

Ok so here's my question. Nature's Variety has chicken eggs in some of their raw products. Would that effect Codie if he truly is allergice to chicken?

Also, what about duck or quali meat? If Codie is allergic to chicken/turkey, will be also be allergic to duck and quail and any type of bird meat?
Marcel has issues w/ chicken. His nutritionist suggested we start him on NV's venison only for now. I'm happy to report that he is doing GREAT on the venison, even w/ the eggs in the ingredients. He is currently on freeze dried, I'll be trying raw medallions this weekend.

SO, even if there are meat allergies to chicken - they may be okay w/ the eggs, as Marcel is.

mminichan 11-09-2007 09:26 AM
Qs....

Chloe will be staying at a Pet Hotel next week for couple days. I wonder if I should give kibble (Candiae) and ask them to feed her kibble or should I buy some freeze dried NV? How does freeze dried work? Is it a lot of work to feed her freeze dried? I just worry those pet hotel people won't care for her as much as I do...do you guys think I should ask them to feed her kibble or I could go for the freeze dried?

Thanks!

kalina82 11-09-2007 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1503812)
I actually found a store that carries Nature's Variety and Primal raw food close to my house, yippie!!!! So I can pick the food up in person and not have to order it on-line (and pay that extra shipping expense -- raw food seems to be pretty pricey to ship because they have to ensure that it stays fresh and cold).

I'm going to my butcher tonight after work to buy some ground beef and some ground buffalo (maybe even some ground pork if I can get a good sale). I would really prefer to buy my own meat rather than buy pre-packaged meat but I will mix both for right now to help me get started.

PS - What does feeding "prey-model" mean?
Prey-model is feeding the whole part of an animal like done here http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

kalina82 11-09-2007 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1503829)
Question about Nature's Variety. We "think" Codie is allergic to chicken and maybe turkey (that's what my vet suggested) but we are not 100% sure. Right now his allergies are so severe that he licks his poor little paws raw. :( :( So I want to avoid those meats until his allergies are under control and then slowly re-introduce them raw because he may not be allergic to them in their natural, raw form.

Ok so here's my question. Nature's Variety has chicken eggs in some of their raw products. Would that effect Codie if he truly is allergice to chicken? Should I just stick to Primal right now? Nature's Variety seems to have a lot more options meat wise.

Also, what about duck or quali meat? If Codie is allergic to chicken/turkey, will be also be allergic to duck and quail and any type of bird meat?

What do you experts think? I know it's all trial and error but I just feel so bad for him. He hurts to even cut his nails right now because his paws are so raw. :(
the raw chicken eggs like not effect him at all. Others who have allergy pups feed all different kinds of NV raw with no ill effects. NV does have more options. I'd avoid the chicken for now and try beef, venison, or lamb. duck and quail, while birds, and different then chickens and turkey. That's like saying if he's allergic to beef, he would be allergic to deer and buffalo seeing as they are all Ungulates (hoofed animals). Start with one protein and slowly add new ones every few weeks since his allergies are so bad. i'm sure he'll start feeling better soon once he's on the raw

kalina82 11-09-2007 09:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mminichan (Post 1503854)
Okay, I am not an expert on RAW..but I do have a Qs...if our furbaby constantly licking their paws...is that mean they are allergic to something? I notice Chloe been licking or "biting" her little paws lately....I thought she might be just "cleaning" herself like cat does? :confused: Oh man...my poor baby, she might be allegric to something and her mommy doesn't even know that!
chewing the paws can be allergies, it could be cleaning, or it could be done out of boredom or habit. if its allergies they are usually itchy somewhere else as well. allergies can come from anything so its hard to pin point.

011011 11-09-2007 10:50 AM
I am thinking about using chicken at first ,then the 4 boys and hubby will hunt this weekend for deer and I will have my own meat of venision.What bones out of the deer would I keep for them? How often do you rotate what kind of meat it is?

lara2913 11-09-2007 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 011011 (Post 1504035)
I am thinking about using chicken at first ,then the 4 boys and hubby will hunt this weekend for deer and I will have my own meat of venision.What bones out of the deer would I keep for them? How often do you rotate what kind of meat it is?
To be honest, venison bones will be no good. They are just way too dense for them to eat and could damage their teeth. Venison meat is great though! I feed different meats all the time, its important not to over do it with the variety at first though. Just try them on one meat, if they do great then introduce a new one each week until you have a few that you can use as and when.

lara2913 11-09-2007 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mminichan (Post 1503890)
Qs....

Chloe will be staying at a Pet Hotel next week for couple days. I wonder if I should give kibble (Candiae) and ask them to feed her kibble or should I buy some freeze dried NV? How does freeze dried work? Is it a lot of work to feed her freeze dried? I just worry those pet hotel people won't care for her as much as I do...do you guys think I should ask them to feed her kibble or I could go for the freeze dried?

Thanks!
I would say that if you can, get some freeze dried. Seen as you have just switched her going back to kibble would be a bit of a step down for her. The chicken freeze dried would probably be easier on her as its almost the same as what she is eating now. I have never fed it, but I believe that the intention of it is to be a convenient raw food that you can feed instead of the medallions while travelling etc because its dry.

http://www.naturesvariety.com/conten...0953guN20D2481

lara2913 11-09-2007 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mminichan (Post 1503854)
Okay, I am not an expert on RAW..but I do have a Qs...if our furbaby constantly licking their paws...is that mean they are allergic to something? I notice Chloe been licking or "biting" her little paws lately....I thought she might be just "cleaning" herself like cat does? :confused: Oh man...my poor baby, she might be allegric to something and her mommy doesn't even know that!
It can be a sign of allergies yes, if they are just licking them then they are probably just cleaning themselves. But if she is actually chewing and biting at them then it could be an allergy of some kind.

011011 11-09-2007 11:51 AM
Okay no venison bones,but maybe we will have just one deer for the dogs!
I thought okay I have chicken legs and quarters I thawed for supper maybe I will try it with two females that I did not tuck in their kennel for an afternoon nap.
I was too chicken to give them the bones(but I will) but cut all the meat off well I deboned it so it was in big chunks and gave it to two of them.
MY dogs are evidentally starving they kinda scarffed but not too bad one chewed better than the other ,but now they are frantic running around looking for more sniffing all over.
Also how many times do you give the capsules of fish oil or salmon ,once a week daily etc.
I thought those recipes were funny just chunks of raw meat but different varieties.I was waiting for ingrediants and the only one was raw meat.

lara2913 11-09-2007 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 011011 (Post 1504162)
Okay no venison bones,but maybe we will have just one deer for the dogs!
I thought okay I have chicken legs and quarters I thawed for supper maybe I will try it with two females that I did not tuck in their kennel for an afternoon nap.
I was too chicken to give them the bones(but I will) but cut all the meat off well I deboned it so it was in big chunks and gave it to two of them.
MY dogs are evidentally starving they kinda scarffed but not too bad one chewed better than the other ,but now they are frantic running around looking for more sniffing all over.
Also how many times do you give the capsules of fish oil or salmon ,once a week daily etc.
I thought those recipes were funny just chunks of raw meat but different varieties.I was waiting for ingrediants and the only one was raw meat.
LOL, i'm glad they enjoyed their chicken :D

I generally give the salmon oil and vitamin e every other day because the capsules I buy are more like a 2 day dose. If you had smaller capsules or were using it loose (like from a bottle) then you could give a small dose every day.

Hehe, thats because thats all they really need (raw meat, bones and organs) :)

JCarlson2004 11-09-2007 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 1503947)
chewing the paws can be allergies, it could be cleaning, or it could be done out of boredom or habit. if its allergies they are usually itchy somewhere else as well. allergies can come from anything so its hard to pin point.
Yes, if it's allergies then they usually itchy some place else besides their paws like their ears or their backs.

mminichan 11-09-2007 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lara2913 (Post 1504119)
I would say that if you can, get some freeze dried. Seen as you have just switched her going back to kibble would be a bit of a step down for her. The chicken freeze dried would probably be easier on her as its almost the same as what she is eating now. I have never fed it, but I believe that the intention of it is to be a convenient raw food that you can feed instead of the medallions while travelling etc because its dry.

http://www.naturesvariety.com/conten...0953guN20D2481
Thanks, Lara! You are always soo sooo helpful!

So, for those who feed their furbabies freeze dried NV, how does it work? Just feed them like it is kibble? I just don't want to be too complicated for the pet hotel people or worry they might not know how to feed RAW!

mminichan 11-09-2007 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1504195)
Yes, if it's allergies then they usually itchy some place else besides their paws like their ears or their backs.
Oh, now I think about it..she does use her paws to scratch her ears and body a little sometimes.

Is this a sign of allergy? I thought she just being a dog! :confused:

How much is too often? I might need to go see a vet! I didn't think it would be allergy? I was going to take her to a vet in Dec when the yearly check up is due. Do you guys think I need to bring her in earlier now?

TLC 11-09-2007 12:14 PM
TJ licks his paws until they are soaking wet. He also bites his nails into daggers.

TJ was on Raw for about 6 months. He continued to lick and bite his paws.

I do not think TJ has allergies though...

TJ has OCD problems and that's why he licks and bites.

Not all 'paw lickers' are allergy related ;)

011011 11-09-2007 12:20 PM
Thank you so much Lara would that be in a 250mg capsule the E and oil every other day?
If they can chew these bones with no problems this is a piece of cake, and easier than dog food having to refill for I feed free choice.WIll be easier to keep my neuterd male from being heavy also.
What about pups I have a 6 month old female anything extra she needs being she is a growing puppy.
And one of those that I read said bones are only needed 2 times a week is that correct? SO then 5 days out of seven would just be chunks of meat.
Then fresh veggies and fruit for treats and snacks?

011011 11-09-2007 12:25 PM
So then Brett and the boys should be keeping the deer hearts and livers if not shot up correct? Any others ?

lara2913 11-09-2007 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 011011 (Post 1504249)
Thank you so much Lara would that be in a 250mg capsule the E and oil every other day?
If they can chew these bones with no problems this is a piece of cake, and easier than dog food having to refill for I feed free choice.WIll be easier to keep my neuterd male from being heavy also.
What about pups I have a 6 month old female anything extra she needs being she is a growing puppy.
And one of those that I read said bones are only needed 2 times a week is that correct? SO then 5 days out of seven would just be chunks of meat.
Then fresh veggies and fruit for treats and snacks?
250mg (not to be confused with iu) would be more of an everyday dose IMO, mine are a little more than that. However its not set in stone, you can't really overdose/underdose them on fish/salmon oil or vitamin e. Just see how it goes. I feed raw meaty bones almost every day, along with some form of muscle meat, organ meat 1-2 times a week and sometimes other stuff too such as raw eggs, live yogurt and fish.

The only thing different your puppy needs is a higher quantity of food for her body weight. Raw meaty bones need to be fed every day or every other day for them to get enough calcium, but remember that the bones you feed should be ones that are completely consumable, such as poultry, lamb or rabbit bones, not just chewed.

You can feed fruit and veg for treats if you like, they are not necessary though.

kalina82 11-09-2007 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lara2913 (Post 1504272)
250mg (not to be confused with iu) would be more of an everyday dose IMO, mine are a little more than that. However its not set in stone, you can't really overdose/underdose them on fish/salmon oil or vitamin e. Just see how it goes. I feed raw meaty bones almost every day, along with some form of muscle meat, organ meat 1-2 times a week and sometimes other stuff too such as raw eggs, live yogurt and fish.

The only thing different your puppy needs is a higher quantity of food for her body weight. Raw meaty bones need to be fed every day or every other day for them to get enough calcium, but remember that the bones you feed should be ones that are completely consumable, such as poultry, lamb or rabbit bones, not just chewed.
if feeding a day without bones what type of meat do you give them?

lara2913 11-09-2007 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 1504283)
if feeding a day without bones what type of meat do you give them?
I guess by that I mean for example, tonight I fed them breast of lamb however the whole breast was huge and the rib bones did not extend across the entire thing so not all of my dogs got a rib bone with their meat. Doesn't matter, they will definitely get bone tomorrow.


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