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abbie's mom 01-15-2008 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by carole goodman (Post 1672397)
when the other runs out.
Carole

Donate the 'other' to a shelter, and continue with real food. "Feeding through the bag is false economy".

MyFairLacy 01-21-2008 10:33 PM

Got a question for you prey-model feeders ;) Have you ever heard of feeding cow placentas??? Saw somewhere that a person was going to be feeding their dog a lot of cow placenta once calving season started.

omega 01-22-2008 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1694319)
Got a question for you prey-model feeders ;) Have you ever heard of feeding cow placentas??? Saw somewhere that a person was going to be feeding their dog a lot of cow placenta once calving season started.


I've never heard of that one. EEEWWW. LOL. I wonder if that is good for them or not?:rolleyes:

abbie's mom 01-22-2008 10:39 AM

Michelle,

I do feed green tripe (bovine stomache lining); but haven't heard of feeding placenta. Of course, I haven't read allllllllllllllllllll there is to prey model feeding, either. The RAW list moves pretty quickly; but, I'll post your question there and see what kind of feedback we get.

MyFairLacy 01-22-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1695304)
Michelle,

I do feed green tripe (bovine stomache lining); but haven't heard of feeding placenta. Of course, I haven't read allllllllllllllllllll there is to prey model feeding, either. The RAW list moves pretty quickly; but, I'll post your question there and see what kind of feedback we get.

thankyou! I'm really interested to know... I've never seen any fresh green tripe around here or I'd probably buy some to give occasionally. I have bought solid gold canned green tripe before but I ran out and the store here has had trouble getting any in. So we've been tripless for several months now :(

TurtleDove 01-22-2008 07:08 PM

For those who give supplements, which brand do you recommend?

MyFairLacy 01-22-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleDove (Post 1696898)
For those who give supplements, which brand do you recommend?

With raw, you don't really need to do supplements. I've been giving Juice Plus for Dogs, just because...I'm sure she'd be fine without it. I also give a vit. E/fish oil supplement. I use Eicosaderm by Dermapet

TurtleDove 01-22-2008 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1696923)
With raw, you don't really need to do supplements. I've been giving Juice Plus for Dogs, just because...I'm sure she'd be fine without it. I also give a vit. E/fish oil supplement. I use Eicosaderm by Dermapet

Thanks! Does anyone know of any Vitamin E supplements, or is any fine? I really like the convenience of Eicosaderm though, as it has the fish oil+vitamin e

abbie's mom 01-22-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1696762)
.. I've never seen any fresh green tripe around here or I'd probably buy some to give occasionally.

I'm blessed to have a supplier locally; but, I've seen this site mentioned on another list. I cannot vouch for the quality, as I've not purchased from there, however.

Waiting for a reply on the placenta question.

011011 01-23-2008 07:44 AM

That placenta from cows sounds nasty.WE are in a big dairy area here and they have calfs year round.My boys girlfriend lives on a dairy farm and milks 250 cows she would look at me if I was nuts if I asked her to save me some.lol

abbie's mom 01-23-2008 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1694319)
Saw somewhere that a person was going to be feeding their dog a lot of cow placenta once calving season started.

Michelle,

I got one response from the list (so far), and this is it:
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Whenever I have a question, I always look to nature. I think most
wild animal mothers eat the placenta so it wouldn't be normally
available for the diet of other animals and not often for the mother.
I think she eats it for reasons other than nutrition.
When thinking on this, I figure that the mother eats the placenta as part of her clean-up process, so as not to attract scavengers. ??? For my thoughts, there are too many other sources than to go with this - even if someone I trusted told me it's OK! I mean, I can barely feed green tripe. That's some naaaaaaaaasty smelling stuff!

MyFairLacy 01-23-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1697921)
Michelle,

I got one response from the list (so far), and this is it:When thinking on this, I figure that the mother eats the placenta as part of her clean-up process, so as not to attract scavengers. ??? For my thoughts, there are too many other sources than to go with this - even if someone I trusted told me it's OK! I mean, I can barely feed green tripe. That's some naaaaaaaaasty smelling stuff!

Thanks..yeah, that makes sense. I doubt too many mothers would leave placentas lying around for dogs to eat. Thanks

omega 01-23-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1697921)
Michelle,

I got one response from the list (so far), and this is it:When thinking on this, I figure that the mother eats the placenta as part of her clean-up process, so as not to attract scavengers. ??? For my thoughts, there are too many other sources than to go with this - even if someone I trusted told me it's OK! I mean, I can barely feed green tripe. That's some naaaaaaaaasty smelling stuff!


I saw that post! It made sense to me.

As for green tripe.. I still have yet to experience that.:rolleyes:

Why exactly do you feed it? Whatever nutritional value it has, can you find it in anything else?

dexterandalana 02-02-2008 04:09 PM

FEW!!! it took me just under 3 hours to read this entire thread...with diversions into other websites and taking notes...im actually kinda sad it is all done!!:p

so obviously i am considering a raw diet and this was my first research into it. i must say that almost all of my questions were answered! (if they werent, i dont remember what they were..too much information in my brain now!! lol) thank you so much to everyone in this thread for all of the helpful information!! this must be one of the longest threads ever on YT :p

its funny that out of all of this, the only question i have left is an unimportant one...dont the "feeding towels" cause a lot of laundry?? lol. do you change them every meal?

anyway, i'll likely be back with more questions as i think of them. thanks again! very helpful info from everyone!!!

abbie's mom 02-02-2008 06:38 PM

Prey Model
 
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Originally Posted by omega (Post 1699127)
Why exactly do you feed it? Whatever nutritional value it has, can you find it in anything else?

Excerpt from Green Tripe Description
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So how can something so disgusting, be so good? These same gastric juices and enzymes not only aid the animal in digestion, but also aid the dog in digesting and efficiently utilizing his food. The amino acids are necessary for muscular development and, the other gastric juices, I believe, are the best cleaner for their teeth!

In an analysis of a sample of green tripe by a Woodson-Tenant Lab in Atlanta, Georgia, it was discovered that the calcium:phosphorous ratio is 1:1, the overall pH is on the acidic side which is better for digestion, protein is 15.1, fat 11.7 and it contained the essential fatty acids, Linoleic and Linolenic, in their recommended proportions. Also discovered, was the presence of Lactic Acid Bacteria. Lactic Acid Bacteria, also known as Lactobacillus Acidophilus, is the good intestinal bacteria. It is the main ingredient in probiotics.
Alana, this thread represents opinions/experiences from both pre-packaged RAW feeders and a few (like myself), who feed Prey Model RAW.
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Originally Posted by dexterandalana (Post 1725633)
its funny that out of all of this, the only question i have left is an unimportant one...dont the "feeding towels" cause a lot of laundry?? lol. do you change them every meal?

LOL...well, yeah...I can see where that would be a concern. :rolleyes: (j/k!) If it's not a real messy meaty meal, I change each day. I just sort of fold it up, after the first meal (I'm trying to get mine to once a day, now) and then pick it up after the evening meal. I have many feeding towels, so I can afford to wait until I have a laundry basket full, then wash a load.

dexterandalana 02-02-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1726107)
Alana, this thread represents opinions/experiences from both pre-packaged RAW feeders and a few (like myself), who feed Prey Model RAW..

yeah...after spending 3 hours reading the thread, i kinda got that! lol. sorry i should have specified...i am thinking of doing the full prey model raw diet, not the pre-packaged.

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1726107)
LOL...well, yeah...I can see where that would be a concern. :rolleyes: (j/k!) If it's not a real messy meaty meal, I change each day. I just sort of fold it up, after the first meal (I'm trying to get mine to once a day, now) and then pick it up after the evening meal. I have many feeding towels, so I can afford to wait until I have a laundry basket full, then wash a load.

alright, so i should go get a lot of feeding towels first off! my concern with the laundry is mostly for water conservation...im kinda one of those environmental nerds :p

thanks again and im sure i will be keeping this thread alive in the next little while!

abbie's mom 02-02-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dexterandalana (Post 1726160)
alright, so i should go get a lot of feeding towels first off!

Oh, no....don't buy new ones! Just start with your old worn-out hand towels and bath towels. If you look around, you'll be surprised the ones that really should be 'retired' ;).
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my concern with the laundry is mostly for water conservation...im kinda one of those environmental nerds :p
Nuthin' wrong with that! My dh is super water conscious, too. In fact <whispers> he puts a basin in the sink to catch hand washing water and transfers it to a large bucket to flush the toilet! You'd be surprised how much $$$ that has saved us in water bills. I completely see the need for conservation in our wasteful society. However, some things (laundry) have to be done. My thing is electricity. I go around turning off lights.

dexterandalana 02-02-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1726278)
Oh, no....don't buy new ones! Just start with your old worn-out hand towels and bath towels. If you look around, you'll be surprised the ones that really should be 'retired' ;).

its funny because i just realized that i dont have any retired towels any longer! for years i have cut up the ratty towels to use as dish rags, or to clean the toilet...and now only good ones are left! lol.

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1726278)
Nuthin' wrong with that! My dh is super water conscious, too. In fact <whispers> he puts a basin in the sink to catch hand washing water and transfers it to a large bucket to flush the toilet! You'd be surprised how much $$$ that has saved us in water bills. I completely see the need for conservation in our wasteful society. However, some things (laundry) have to be done. My thing is electricity. I go around turning off lights.

wow, good for him! see thats why i love this site...i learn so much for my yorkie...AND the environment! :D

so i gave dex a raw egg with some cooked chicken (had no unthawed raw in the house :( ) and he gobbled it all up, and licked his empty dish for about 20 mins after! i think its going to be an easy transition! (hes sitting here looking at me right now like "pwees momma, i wants mow!)

omega 02-09-2008 04:37 AM

I use old towels, too. I use them for one day and then wash them. There is usually some other towels I can throw in with them or just use the very small cycle.:)

You can always buy towels pretty cheap at many stores if you need them.

omega 02-09-2008 04:51 AM

I went to the - Excerpt from Green Tripe Description - and was wondering if there is more to the site? I couldn't find a home page.:confused:

abbie's mom 02-09-2008 04:59 AM

Hi,

Yep...here it is: Green Tripe

rebeccag 08-17-2009 10:05 AM

Question...
 
If I start feeding raw rabbit...will my dogs try and eat my bunnies??? No, right? They won't know the two are the same...I think?

kalina82 08-17-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rebeccag (Post 2759694)
If I start feeding raw rabbit...will my dogs try and eat my bunnies??? No, right? They won't know the two are the same...I think?

LOL i highly doubt your yorkies will try to eat your bunnies. The raw rabbit smells different then the fresh, live bunnies you own. Yorkies and bunnies should never be left alone together just in case but i don't think they will suddenly start going after the bunnies

rebeccag 08-17-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 2759702)
LOL i highly doubt your yorkies will try to eat your bunnies. The raw rabbit smells different then the fresh, live bunnies you own. Yorkies and bunnies should never be left alone together just in case but i don't think they will suddenly start going after the bunnies

LOL...just checking. I just wanted to double check with the smell...wouldn't want to trigger a scent with the live bunnies and have to ruin dinner plans for the pups...LOL! Thanks again!!!

littlepixie12 08-17-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1499786)
Yes, it does look (and feel) nasty :). I've been feeding this way for almost five years, and I still don't look forward to handling it! But, you won't be sorry, in the long run.??..why do you think Cody is allergic to chicken, lamb and turkey? Just wondering, because most dogs tolerate chicken best when first starting out. And, as lara points out: buffalo and venison bones are far too dense for any dog, and may damage teeth. Sounds like you've been 'researching' in the BARF section :). Dogs do not need veggies or fruits. Look in your dogs' mouths. What do you see? Canines, right? No grinders for chewing fruits and veggies. Dogs are carnivorous (from dictionary.com: 1. flesh-eating: A dog is a carnivorous animal.). Now, look in your mouth: mostly grinders (chewing fruits & veggies) and a few canines (for ripping and tearing meat). We are omnivorous (An organism that eats both plants and animals.) Free feeding Raw is not a good idea. Especially at first, you need to see what kind of eater Cali is (gulper or careful). I would feed her three smaller meals/day, and if that's not possible, then feed two. I feed a RAW Prey Model diet. We don't hunt, nor do we know anyone who hunts regularly, so my choices are limited to store meats: chicken, beef, (sometimes) turkey, pork, fish. But, this year, I think (hoping!) we will get some venison - especially the heart and liver! The prey model diet is based on what a wolf would normally eat in the wild. It is important to include innards of whatever meat you feed. I feed innards twice weekly, with chicken feet. The only supplement: fish oil. LOL....everyone who feeds a prey model RAW diet exclaims how wonderful their dogs' teeth are! The vets can't get over my dogs' teeth. Abigail will be two next month, and Mozart (in his 13thy/o mix) ~ I never brush their teeth, and they have sweet smelling breathe. I've had a few dogs lick me, and I felt like I needed a bathe!

Here are some links I hope you find helpful:

- Feeding Your Dog

- Jane Anderson's RAW Learning Site

- RAW Feeding (might want to look into the Recipes on this one ;) )

- RAW fed

Questions: ask away!!

Thank you so much for this.. the info has been great. So I dont have to cook anything? Just give them everything raw? Is that okay for puppies? Is it okay if I decide to cook the meat?

littlepixie12 08-17-2009 01:05 PM

Everyone, this is a truly great thread... interesting too because my parents (who were born and raised in Italy) always tell me that they used to feed their dogs raw meat, steaks, and chicken and usually pasta lol. Anyway, my dad is always telling me to do the same with Maxi, but I was hesitant. Well Maxi isnt eating now and I am worried. So I was thinking of switching over to a RAW diet, but dont have anything at the house today. A store by me sells Primal and Nature Variety. Do you think its okay to start Maxie with this and then switch him over to the stuff I buy in the supermarket?

I also want to make sure that he likes it too.

thanks!

BonBon 08-17-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by littlepixie12 (Post 2759957)
Everyone, this is a truly great thread... interesting too because my parents (who were born and raised in Italy) always tell me that they used to feed their dogs raw meat, steaks, and chicken and usually pasta lol. Anyway, my dad is always telling me to do the same with Maxi, but I was hesitant. Well Maxi isnt eating now and I am worried. So I was thinking of switching over to a RAW diet, but dont have anything at the house today. A store by me sells Primal and Nature Variety. Do you think its okay to start Maxie with this and then switch him over to the stuff I buy in the supermarket?

I also want to make sure that he likes it too.

thanks!

I think it would be fine for you to start this way. I can't find Primal locally, but I do feed the Nature's Variety raw medallions. NV offers small packages that are great as samples to make sure he likes it before you buy the bigger bags.


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