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abbie's mom 11-08-2007 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by lara2913 (Post 1500535)
Doesen't matter, you always remember things that I forget :)
.....Ditto! :D
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Originally Posted by 7TimesBlessed (Post 1500572)
...Bless you all!!!
Bless YOU. You kinda "rock", y'self :D. I'm sure lara would agree that it's good to be postitively reinforced, instead of having people accuse us of ramming it down their throats, or trying to kill off our pets!

JCarlson2004 11-08-2007 07:46 AM
Oh and thanks for telling me what green tripe is lolol I can't believe I thought it was some type of fish lol :D :D

lara2913 11-08-2007 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1500705)
Once again you ladies are amazing!! :D THANK YOU not only for sharing your welath of knowledge but also for being so kind. :p :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Ok marrow bones are a big NO NO, got it. They're off my "list of food to buy." I'll stick to rabbit meaty bones for right now. I think I'm going to start them off the first week with ground beef. I'll see how they adjust to just that one meat for about a week to a week and a half (depending on how they do) and then slowly each week add another meat to the mix. That should also help determine what Codie is truly allergic to. I'll start with beef, then add rabbit, then venison. If all of those meats agree with them (and Codie's allergies are in check), I'll try adding lamb. If that's good, then turkey and last chicken. I'll even give ground pork a try (hopefully it won't make them gassy lolol) :p

I didn't know that you should always freese the meat for 48 hours before thawing it and feeding them. Thanks for that tip!! :thumbup: I just wrote it on my instruction list (as you can probably tell, I have a lot of lists lolol) :p

As for the Vitamin E, I will definitely give it to them in addition to the grizzly salmon oil. Can one of you ladies please post a link to buy it on-line? I'm not sure if it needs to be in liquid form or what or even if there's a different type of Vitamin E for canines vs. humans.
Sounds like you are getting it all worked out :)

Vitamin e, you can get from any health food stores, I buy it in liquid capsules, natural vitamin e is better than synthetic. Theres no difference between the one for humans vs canines. This is not where I get mine from (as i'm in the UK) but this is what they are- http://www.roysvitamins4health.com/page370.cfm. I buy the 100iu natural capsules.

JCarlson2004 11-08-2007 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lara2913 (Post 1500749)
Sounds like you are getting it all worked out :)

Vitamin e, you can get from any health food stores, I buy it in liquid capsules, natural vitamin e is better than synthetic. Theres no difference between the one for humans vs canines. This is not where I get mine from (as i'm in the UK) but this is what they are- http://www.roysvitamins4health.com/page370.cfm. I buy the 100iu natural capsules.
Do you make them sawllow the capsules? I wonder if I could buy it in liquid form and just squirt some into their food. If not, Codia and Tia can definitely swallow the capsules but Cali is extremely tiny. I have trouble getting her to swallow her monthly heart worm pill -- I have to smash it and mix it in with some nutrical.

lara2913 11-08-2007 08:09 AM
Mine will swallow them but you can squeeze them onto the food too, either is fine, just whatever works for them best :)

sillyjacki 11-08-2007 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1498479)
I have always fed my dogs canned green beans and they LOVE them. Do you think I should switch to natural green beans? Also, would I cook them or feed them raw? I'm still a little confused on all of this lol :p
Canned has preservatives, so when you can do fresh, that is absolutely the best choice!

sillyjacki 11-08-2007 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1498550)
How is your baby's teeth since switching to raw? I brush my trio's teeth every night, so hopefully that will help once we go raw.
It's better for their teeth to eat raw- the starches from kibble can get caked in the teeth and cause all kinds of tartar damage.

With the raw, since it is soft, it gets dissolved MUCH faster with the saliva.

If you are really concerned about it, though, I suggest a product called LEBA, which is a teeth spray. The ones you add to food or water can sometimes be damaging, but really all the LEBA is is a little apple cider vinegar and I think water. But I'm not entirely sure.

RMKC 11-08-2007 08:34 AM
After everyones exitment i bought some medallions, and tried it last night. Rosi sniffed it and walked off, Apollo took a tiny bite and walked off also :confused: after about a half an he i had to throw it away :eek: now what...

sillyjacki 11-08-2007 08:37 AM
I DO feed BARF, and the store I worked for distributed both BARF and Nature's Variety.

As far as the quality on BARF, everything is human grade. Our philosophy on the veggies is that, dogs DO eat animals, and animals only. So yes, they need the meat. But they also eat the stomach contents of their prey- (Tripe helps handle this requirement), but the prey is normally herbivorous, and those partially digested contents are replaced by the pulpy veggies.

I'm glad to see so many who make their raw- I like the no hassle approach of premade, myself. But I like that we have so many knowledgeable people who do RAW. We can all agree on one thing- It has AWESOME benefits.

TLC 11-08-2007 08:42 AM
Man, I am so jealous - yet again....

Jen,
Your guys are gonna love Raw. TJ and Roxy were in pure delight! But since they have Liver Issues, I had to stop the Raw. I am hoping for a miracle and one day be able to go back to Raw.

Honestly though, if I were you, I would start out with one of the "premade" brands first. At least for the first week or two. This way everyone can adjust. The brands that I would recommend are Aunt Jeni's and Bravo. There are tons of different choices within those two brands and they are filled with the right amount Meat, Bones and Organs. Once you have established that they all like the Raw and their Poops are good, then you can go right over to make your own raw :)

Best of Luck!

JCarlson2004 11-08-2007 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sillyjacki (Post 1500833)
It's better for their teeth to eat raw- the starches from kibble can get caked in the teeth and cause all kinds of tartar damage.

With the raw, since it is soft, it gets dissolved MUCH faster with the saliva.

If you are really concerned about it, though, I suggest a product called LEBA, which is a teeth spray. The ones you add to food or water can sometimes be damaging, but really all the LEBA is is a little apple cider vinegar and I think water. But I'm not entirely sure.
I have Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar and I always put a little bit in their water to keep their teeth pearly white. :p Love that stuff.

JCarlson2004 11-08-2007 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 1499786)
Here are some links I hope you find helpful:

- Feeding Your Dog

- Jane Anderson's RAW Learning Site

- RAW Feeding (might want to look into the Recipes on this one ;) )

- RAW fed
Wow, these links are AWESOME!! Thank you!!! :p

kalina82 11-08-2007 09:12 AM
Its great to see you jumping right into RAW feeding!!! The gang is going to love it. Your much braver then i was when i started feeding raw. I started with premade. I still feed premade most of the time and a couple meals a week are raw chicken. morgan eats AFS and nature's variety. AFS is all meat and NV has veggies mixed in. She also gets a joint supplement and fish oil (which i hate giving because it makes her beard smell... any suggestions on that lara? LOL)

This thread is full of great information.

I'm actually off to the store now to pick up some more food for morgan :)

good luck!

011011 11-08-2007 09:39 AM
This is great info,how much does it cost to to go raw?Meaning is it alot more than feeding good dry food?
I would be worried about the bones ,I am assuming everyone is when they first start.
I take it either raw or dry you cannot do both?

abbie's mom 11-08-2007 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sillyjacki (Post 1500857)
But they also eat the stomach contents of their prey-
ummmm....some of us beg to differ this point :): http://rawfed.com/myths/stomachcontents.html

lara2913 11-08-2007 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 1500944)
She also gets a joint supplement and fish oil (which i hate giving because it makes her beard smell... any suggestions on that lara? LOL)
Haha yes use the salmon oil capsules and just get her to eat them, as in swallow them whole, that way it won't go on her beard :D

lara2913 11-08-2007 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 011011 (Post 1501039)
This is great info,how much does it cost to to go raw?Meaning is it alot more than feeding good dry food?
I would be worried about the bones ,I am assuming everyone is when they first start.
I take it either raw or dry you cannot do both?
Well cost wise it depends on where you get their food from, pre-made is obviously a set price and it probably is more than a premium kibble. However if you do it yourself then it can be cost effective if you can get a good supplier or a deal going with your butcher. Another raw feeder that I know gets almost all of his dogs food free because his butcher will provide him with offcuts of meat and the parts of whole carcasses that humans don't buy for free, in return he buys all of his own meat from that butcher as opposed to other stores. However, he has a very large dog. Fortunatly feeding yorkies is not that expensive as well, they don't eat much. Some people do feed both kibble and raw, but personally I don't see the point and would rather keep kibble as far away as possible from my dogs.

kalina82 11-08-2007 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by lara2913 (Post 1501139)
Haha yes use the salmon oil capsules and just get her to eat them, as in swallow them whole, that way it won't go on her beard :D
ah ha! she always smells fishy and i hate it to the point where i don't want to give it to her anymore. i'll have to get capsules and vit e capsules. do they come small enough so that she won't choke on them?

kalina82 11-08-2007 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 011011 (Post 1501039)
This is great info,how much does it cost to to go raw?Meaning is it alot more than feeding good dry food?
I would be worried about the bones ,I am assuming everyone is when they first start.
I take it either raw or dry you cannot do both?
i have one yorkie and she is 4lbs. so she gets 2 1/2 to 3 oz a day. I just went to the store and bought one 3lb bag of AFS beef nuggets and two bags of NV (i have a 2 for 1 coupon :) so only paid for one bag of the venison). All together it cost $20. three bags will last at least 2 - 3 months. :)

lara2913 11-08-2007 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 1501268)
ah ha! she always smells fishy and i hate it to the point where i don't want to give it to her anymore. i'll have to get capsules and vit e capsules. do they come small enough so that she won't choke on them?
I think they come in different sizes, but yeah the ones I buy are quite small and i've never had a problem with them. Ben and Malachi will simply eat them like a treat no problem but Indy is fussier so with her I just drop it right to the back of her throat and hold her mouth shut, she swallows it within a couple of seconds.

JCarlson2004 11-08-2007 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by lara2913 (Post 1500085)
Great links from abbie'smom there, the recipe section in the raw feeding one is my absolute favourite raw link ever lol. I love it.

Heres a few more,

http://www.rawmeatybones.com/
http://www.rawdogranch.com/
http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm
http://www.raw4dogs.com/calculate.htm
http://www.holisticvet.co.uk/nutrition.htm
Awesome links, especially the first one. :thumbup: :thumbup: I saved all of these (as well as the ones form Abbie's Mom) and printed out a bunch of info too.

JCarlson2004 11-08-2007 11:29 AM
That calculator is amazing!! It was such a big help!! :thumbup: :thumbup: THANK YOU LARA!!

JCarlson2004 11-08-2007 12:31 PM
Anyone ever use Raw Advantage or Northweat Naturals??? I was going to buy Nature's Variety but it has eggs in it and I'm trying to avoid giving Codie chicken for right now.

abbie's mom 11-08-2007 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1500933)
Wow, these links are AWESOME!! Thank you!!! :p
You are most WELCOME!
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I have Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar and I always put a little bit in their water to keep their teeth pearly white. Love that stuff.
IF you stick to a prey model, RMB (RAW Meaty Bone) diet, you won't need the Bragg's.

JCarlson2004 11-08-2007 02:31 PM
Ok so I used that calculator to determine how much food my munchkins should get a day and here are my results:

CODIE (8 lbs)
0.2 pounds (3.2 ounces) to 0.24 pounds (3.84 ounces) PER DAY TOTAL
0.1 pounds (1.5 ounces) to 0.12 pounds (2 ounces) PER ONE MEAL

TIA (5 lbs)
0.13 pounds (2 ounces) to 0.15 pounds (2.4 ounces) PER DAY TOTAL
0.065 pounds (1 ounce) to 0.075 pounds (1.2 ounces) PER ONE MEAL

I am not going to measure Cali's food because she is TOO SKINNY and we've been trying to help her gain weight she we got her. I am going to let her eat as much as she wants and just PRAY that she gains some weight. She's all skin and bones. :(

So for Codie and Tia, does that sound about right?? :D

kalina82 11-08-2007 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004 (Post 1501855)
Ok so I used that calculator to determine how much food my munchkins should get a day and here are my results:

CODIE (8 lbs)
0.2 pounds (3.2 ounces) to 0.24 pounds (3.84 ounces) PER DAY TOTAL
0.1 pounds (1.5 ounces) to 0.12 pounds (2 ounces) PER ONE MEAL

TIA (5 lbs)
0.13 pounds (2 ounces) to 0.15 pounds (2.4 ounces) PER DAY TOTAL
0.065 pounds (1 ounce) to 0.075 pounds (1.2 ounces) PER ONE MEAL

I am not going to measure Cali's food because she is TOO SKINNY and we've been trying to help her gain weight she we got her. I am going to let her eat as much as she wants and just PRAY that she gains some weight. She's all skin and bones. :(

So for Codie and Tia, does that sound about right?? :D
i used that calculator to determine Morgan's food intake. I measured for 3% because morgan is skinny and hyper it says she should be eating 2.02oz per day which is less then what i'm actually feeding her now. i don't know if i trust that calculator, but maybe its different if you are feeding prey-model raw. :scratchhe

mainly you pick a starting amount and go from there. if you want more weight on them feed more, if you want them to lose weight feed less.

abbie's mom 11-08-2007 02:57 PM
This is just me; but there are others who share my view: I wouldn't worry too much about exact amounts. I think you'll find your pets will do one of two things. Either -
- eat like there's no tomorrow, or
- look at you like you've surely lost what good sense God tried to give you :).

If they eat like they're starving, it's probably because they have been. NO REFLECTION ON YOU! It's just that there is very little real nutrition in commercial dog stuff; so, when they get real food, they might seem to gorge at first. I am of the opinion this will even out, as the body gets what it's lacking, and they learn that there will more where this came from. Eventually, they regulate themselves. When they over-eat on commercial, I think it's because they're just trying to get enough nutrition; and subsequently get too much of the other junk, too - making them sick. JMO

If they won't eat at all - it's because they don't recognize this as 'food'. Patience, Persistence and hard love is key here. Don't give in to the temptation to go back to kibble, because it's comfortable. A healthy dog will not starve him/herself. They will eat when they're hungry. Now, if they miss two meals and get shaky, of course offer honey, karo syrup, or nutrical.

I won't be at all surprised to hear that Miss Cali is scarfing it down like a lumberjack ;).

lara2913 11-08-2007 03:01 PM
Completly agree Ada, I have never weighed food and always simply fed to condition and it works out well for us.

shenue 11-08-2007 03:04 PM
Laura2913, You mentioned that you feed your guys raw eggs. There is a sticky post that says raw eggs are dangerous. Now I'm really confused. lol

lara2913 11-08-2007 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shenue (Post 1501947)
Laura2913, You mentioned that you feed your guys raw eggs. There is a sticky post that says raw eggs are dangerous. Now I'm really confused. lol
The reason people say they are dangerous is because raw egg white deprives a dogs body of biotin. However raw egg yolk is absolutely stuffed with it and this replaces what the white takes (and more). So basically feeding only egg whites would be dangerous, but feeding a whole raw egg is very good for them.


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