Suggestion.... new guideline

[jbarile]

This is just a suggestion to possibly help keep needless comments, remarks and or insults to other members and help to continue to keep Yorkie Talk a place where everyone is welcomed ( a family forum) and Not a Click!..

( the current guidelines)
Here are a few general YorkieTalk forum guidelines:

1. Please be civil and do not personally attack anyone or their opinions. If you disagree with their approach or method, feel free to reply, but do it in a civil way. Or you can choose to ignore their post altogether.

2. Any posts that are downright sick or cruel towards another member or their Yorkie will not be tolerated and will be deleted. Your account may be banned depending on the severity of your actions or if you are a repeat offender.


Should a member violate any of these guidelines the administrator and or mediator has the right to..

A. Ban that person permanently
B. Temporally suspended
C. Donations are non-refundable~


My suggestion is possibly add a third guideline as follows

3. not to attack, debate a post or thread that has used the term TEACUP!
this is a freedom of choice to define your size of your own yorkie. Accept the term it will never go away!

[red98vett]

On the Teacup thing .... I agree to a point with what you said...The word itself doesn't bother me in the least.

But....it's only a descriptive term & even the Westminister DOG Show put a shout out to the world that 'there is no such thing as a teacup Yorkie'.

Many times people really don't know this & and many times it's used strictly to command higher prices in yorkies...

While I agree with you that we shoud be respectful of anyone using the word - we also can share what we know and let them know there really is no such thing as a "Teacup Yorkie". It's just a matter of educating people who may not realize this....

[red98vett]

I should have added ...good post - it IS a family forum ...I know many of us post more than others...(not me though)

but I always want to see anyone feel free to post ...and I think they do...When I see the number of new threads every day...it's pretty amazing actually

[jbarile]

Originally Posted by red98vett

On the Teacup thing .... I agree to a point with what you said...The word itself doesn't bother me in the least.

But....it's only a descriptive term & even the Westminister DOG Show put a shout out to the world that 'there is no such thing as a teacup Yorkie'.

Many times people really don't know this & and many times it's used strictly to command higher prices in yorkies...

While I agree with you that we shoud be respectful of anyone using the word - we also can share what we know and let them know there really is no such thing as a "Teacup Yorkie". It's just a matter of educating people who may not realize this....

I totaly agree with you about it not being no such thing! but for some of the poor new members that are so excited and happy that they have found a little baby aka teacup, they join YT to share their happiness of finding what
they were told is a teacup and possibly paid some outragageous price.
then members here imedialty tell this member you were taken! you got ripped off! it's just a term bad breeders use to raise the price! Now picture this person was you that has just posted about your new teacup
how hurt you must be feeling! you now feel you have been ripped off just because everyone here as said you have! you are now feeling like you you no longer want to be a member or you are starting to resent your baby because of the feeling of your happiness of having a teacup has just been taken away from you by telling you all this! I guess this would be my take on this, not all would think this way I guess. I do know feelings are hurt over this term to discribe their new baby. Myself I learned about this term when I first came here (feb 05), I never claimed I had one because I had a 13lb yorkie I learned by just through reading the posts on YT. I have even made comments about the term used, But I have seen so many hurt feelings from newbies that made me sad for them and me wanting to defend them as I thought how would I feel? If it makes them happy to think their baby is a teacup, who am I to break their heart by telling them bad breeders do this to raise prices. and they possible just paid 4,000 and some members will go on saying you could have got one for around 900.00. This is why I feel this word TEACUP should be part of a guideline.

[jbarile]

Originally Posted by jbarile

I totaly agree with you about it not being no such thing! but for some of the poor new members that are so excited and happy that they have found a little baby aka teacup, they join YT to share their happiness of finding what
they were told is a teacup and possibly paid some outragageous price.
then members here imedialty tell this member you were taken! you got ripped off! it's just a term bad breeders use to raise the price! Now picture this person was you that has just posted about your new teacup
how hurt you must be feeling! you now feel you have been ripped off just because everyone here as said you have! you are now feeling like you you no longer want to be a member or you are starting to resent your baby because of the feeling of your happiness of having a teacup has just been taken away from you by telling you all this! I guess this would be my take on this, not all would think this way I guess. I do know feelings are hurt over this term to discribe their new baby. Myself I learned about this term when I first came here (feb 05), I never claimed I had one because I had a 13lb yorkie I learned by just through reading the posts on YT. I have even made comments about the term used, But I have seen so many hurt feelings from newbies that made me sad for them and me wanting to defend them as I thought how would I feel? If it makes them happy to think their baby is a teacup, who am I to break their heart by telling them bad breeders do this to raise prices. and they possible just paid 4,000 and some members will go on saying you could have got one for around 900.00. This is why I feel this word TEACUP should be part of a guideline.

Teacup dogs
The terms "teacup" or ("tea cup") and "tiny toy," have increasingly come to be used to describe adult dogs that are very small. The terms, however, are not used officially by any kennel club, and their use remains inaccurate and controversial. Since the terms are unofficial, there is no accepted standard of definition for the terms; thus, an eight-pound chihuahua (much larger than the maximum defined in the breed standard) can be described as a "teacup." The increasing frequency of use of the terms by laypersons has led some to believe that the terms are official, however, this has never been the case (see Chihuahua).

Most who are involved in dog breeding and judging argue that the whole concept of the "teacup" is nothing more than a marketing ploy to charge exorbitant prices for dogs that are frequently runts or that may have health problems due to dwarfing. Dogs that are exceedingly small, particularly those that are two pounds or less fully grown, often have shortened life spans and require special care.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teacup_dog

[jbarile]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I should have added ...good post - it IS a family forum ...I know many of us post more than others...(not me though)

but I always want to see anyone feel free to post ...and I think they do...When I see the number of new threads every day...it's pretty amazing actually

Not you!!

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by jbarile

Not you!!

hehe- you caught that

[yorkitails]

jbarile I agree. Ithink there is way too many hurt feelings over a silly word.

[Princessyorkies]

I agree this is a family forum, I also think way to many people have gotten hurt over the tea cup phrase. In reality if you want to get right down to it there is only one standard of weight for a yorkie. Now isn't that up to 7 pounds? There are some who take everything to heart on here and none of us should as we all have the freedom to speak. But we should not have the freedom to down other people regardless of what the topic is. We should discuss it in a respectful manner and not automatically jump on someone. I can remember when a certain article hit the news paper and about 4 different people on here had a hay day with that person and her web site. How wrong was that. Any ways we ALL need to think if we were in the persons shoes that we choose to pick on....
Not trying to start an argument just trying to get everyone to get along.

[Breeze]

I am one that does not feel the word teacup has to become accepted. I personally think people should know the truth about yorkie terms, standard.... We all make mistakes but by learning from them, maybe we can help others.

I would worry if we stopped giving members the correct information and letting them know that there is no such thing as a teacup. I think by doing this it gets the word out and so hopefully this teacup thing will be a thing of the past and so many will not be ripped off.

I like the guidelines as they are as I would worry about what topics would be added next, maybe when new members came here saying they were breeding their tiny maybe no one would say anything about that.......... not wanting to hurt their feelings, etc........... (maybe extreme but where would it end?)

[jbarile]

Originally Posted by Breeze

I am one that does not feel the word teacup has to become accepted. I personally think people should know the truth about yorkie terms, standard.... We all make mistakes but by learning from them, maybe we can help others.

I would worry if we stopped giving members the correct information and letting them know that there is no such thing as a teacup. I think by doing this it gets the word out and so hopefully this teacup thing will be a thing of the past and so many will not be ripped off.

I like the guidelines as they are as I would worry about what topics would be added next, maybe when new members came here saying they were breeding their tiny maybe no one would say anything about that.......... not wanting to hurt their feelings, etc........... (maybe extreme but where would it end?)

well your statement here.. "I would worry if we stopped giving members the correct information and letting them know that there is no such thing as a teacup.

First of all No one wants to join a forum to be Educated~ This is Yorkie Talk!
Talk yorkie.. Unless someone personaly posts a thread and ASKS the question Is there such a BREED (teacup?) then you can stop worring and then give the advice or correct information, I can not recall a person here yet
that has introduced themself and their new baby and ask Im I correct?
We all (well maybe not) come here to talk about our yorkies, ask for suggestions, our help and our prayers, we all learn within the right "atmosphere" we are a family we assist one another befriend, share sad, happy, and funny times. and Im not saying it's Ok, Im saying this term is getting way to much publicity! I have been here a year and I can honesty say, and I think a lot of other members would agree NO One has ever said what you suggested..
your quote..

maybe when new members came here saying they were breeding their tiny maybe no one would say anything about that.......... not wanting to hurt their feelings, etc........... (maybe extreme but where would it end?)[/QUOTE]

Well they haven't! they come here for the first time proud parents of a small yorkie, they believe this is the term used only to describe the size of their baby! they have a new baby a Teacup they have been told and want to share and join a forum about yorkies. But what they get is someone that does not care about ones feelings only that "TEACUP" will not be USED around here! NO NO there is no such thing yada yada and Oh by the way welcome to Yorkie Talk! and jump on that bandwagon and shove teacup knowledge down their throat!
I think newbies will learn about teacups like a lot of us have on YT by reading posts on that topic should someone ask for it!

not wanting to hurt their feelings, etc........... (maybe extreme but where would it end?)[/
It should End here... peace to your heart

[jbarile]

Originally Posted by Princessyorkies

I agree this is a family forum, I also think way to many people have gotten hurt over the tea cup phrase. In reality if you want to get right down to it there is only one standard of weight for a yorkie. Now isn't that up to 7 pounds? There are some who take everything to heart on here and none of us should as we all have the freedom to speak. But we should not have the freedom to down other people regardless of what the topic is. We should discuss it in a respectful manner and not automatically jump on someone. I can remember when a certain article hit the news paper and about 4 different people on here had a hay day with that person and her web site. How wrong was that. Any ways we ALL need to think if we were in the persons shoes that we choose to pick on....
Not trying to start an argument just trying to get everyone to get along.

I too remember this Incident! good Flashback post! what some people will do!

I can remember when a certain article hit the news paper and about 4 different people on here had a hay day with that person and her web site. How wrong was that. Any ways we ALL need to think if we were in the persons shoes that we choose to pick on....
Not trying to start an argument just trying to get everyone to get along.[/QUOTE]


This was a posse! and so uncalled for... sad... that people require this type of recognition

[Breeze]

Well they haven't! they come here for the first time proud parents of a small yorkie, they believe this is the term used only to describe the size of their baby! they have a new baby a Teacup they have been told and want to share and join a forum about yorkies. But what they get is someone that does not care about ones feelings only that "TEACUP" will not be USED around here! NO NO there is no such thing yada yada and Oh by the way welcome to Yorkie Talk! and jump on that bandwagon and shove teacup knowledge down their throat!
I think newbies will learn about teacups like a lot of us have on YT by reading posts on that topic should someone ask for it!

not wanting to hurt their feelings, etc........... (maybe extreme but where would it end?)[/
It should End here... peace to your heart

Well... I was giving my opinion, and "I" did come here to YT to be educated about yorkies. I think I was being polite in my post and you seem upset that I did not agree with your point of view. On some of these these topics members are going to have different opinions, I was giving mine.

One thing I love about these forums is you meet so many different people and so many view points. You worry about about the owners of teacups.... feelings being hurt but what about mine when I state my opinion on the subject? I understand when you state your views on any topic that people will agree or disagree but geesh.

[jbarile]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Well... I was giving my opinion, and "I" did come here to YT to be educated about yorkies. I think I was being polite in my post and you seem upset that I did not agree with your point of view. On some of these these topics members are going to have different opinions, I was giving mine.

One thing I love about these forums is you meet so many different people and so many view points. You worry about about the owners of teacups.... feelings being hurt but what about mine when I state my opinion on the subject? I understand when you state your views on any topic that people will agree or disagree but geesh.

No Not at all Breeze! your opinion is very inportant! we just have different opinons that's all.. and this is a good thing right? otherwise we all would be clones. I agree with teachings of the use of the word and what it really represents! I truly do I basically think it is an over zealous mission, It's all in the aproach to a person to educate. Im sorry If I came off wrong, it wasn't my intent, I just think if we all just treat this word teacup is not a breed but a discription maybe we wouldn't be so quick to jump on someone, since you have been here as long as I have I know you must have seen how a lot of new members are approached, and it really is not to welcome them at all! for example "from a newbie"
Teacup Male Yorkie Wanted In Indiana

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I'm looking for a teacup male yorkie with a thick coat, baby-doll face, short nose and short body. If anyone knows where I can find him please let me know!
Thanks!
Merry Christmas!!

the response!

Here is a nice tea cup for a nice cup of tea .

again..........

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Here we go again....................... lol
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Now this is what I am talking about! this is uneducated and a fine Welcome to Yt! and it really got worse than this, and it was the very first merry christmas! welcome to YT post!! this kind of thing has to stop! Breeze this went a lot futher than what I brought here to share how some people are.. so please don't misunderstand my intent to suggest this to be a guideline..

[Dan & Corinne]

Maybe the way to put an end to this discussion is to ask the administrator to put place a Locked Thread at the top of the General Yorkie Talk Forum explaing the term "Tea Cup" and "Tiny" like they have with CPR in Emergency and About the different coat types. This way, anyone who is new can read it and understand the misuse of the term.

I see many posts from new people who come to learn how to be terrific Yorkie parents like you all. I started to get a little stressed following the tennis match here but I'm glad things seems to have worked out.

Ok... enough for me. I want to go have fun chatting about our babies!!!