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07-24-2011, 09:11 AM | #16 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | Here we go again! I've come to the conclusion that some people (not pointing to anyone in particular, just making a general statement and I haven't read the particular thread in question) come to YT with the express purpose of hearing only what they want to hear. If someone gives an opposing opinion they immediately cry foul and say everyone is being rude or mean. We all want to have our opinions/decisions validated. But in real life, that's not the way it works. Sometimes we are dead on right. But at other times times the decisions we make are wrong or misguided or even dangerous. That's when being open to alternative points of views can be not only helpful but life saving. It's also important to remember that in the threads relating to illnesses and emergencies that nothing written there should EVER take the place of a hands on examination by a licensed vet, and in some cases, a specialist. A good vet should be confident enough in their own knowledge that they don't hesitate to send someone to a specialist for more intense testing or treatment. To relate it in human terms, I would never let an obstetrician put in a heart stent nor would I go to a cardiac surgeon to do a tubal ligation. Each of the docs has the same general knowledge, but they've chosen to focus their studies and practice in specific areas. But back to the whole "they are being mean" thing... really people, it's time to grow up. Every time I see that written I just cringe. It feels so junior high. Getting caught up in what you perceive to be the tone rather than looking at the actual words ends up taking threads so far off topic that they aren't even recognizable any more. I sometimes wonder how people function in the real world when their feelings are so easily bruised. The ignore button can be your best friend if you really are that sensitive. Just use it with caution because you run the risk of missing out on some really helpful advice.
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07-24-2011, 09:18 AM | #17 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | To the person who said we wouldn't try that schtick in real life, I have to disagree. What you see of me here on YT is exactly the way I am in real life. My friends know if they ask my opinion on something, they will get the absolute truth as I see it. They've come to expect that from me and I from them. We all know that we wouldn't be really good friends to each other if we weren't honest. And if we all agreed on every topic, we'd likely be bored stiff with each other. Unlike what seems to happen on YT, though, if we have differing opinions we know we can let it go and move on to the next topic without missing a beat.
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07-24-2011, 09:19 AM | #18 | |
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:thum bup: I personally have turned to LJ in many situations. She is so knowledgeable about the sick and injured Yorkies. This is my theory, although we don't always like what we hear it is usually in the best interest of the pet. The long term members here have seen so much and their hearts are in the right place. I do not think they have any intentions at all of bullying. I think they are just trying to get the members to do what is best for the dog. As you can only imagine what all they have seen. Look at some of the threads where these dogs have been taken into foster homes and their lives have been completely changed. Yes, Gabby is a wonderful example. She doesn't even look the same at all. And then there is Sammy too. These two had no life before. They were in so much pain and misery. With that said, the bottom line is it is the member's pet and it will be up to them to determine what is best to do. The long term members are giving their advice which is being asked for. Many times the people asking for advice don't end up going to the vet. If they go to the vet and are comfortable with his/her advice than that is great. But many are seeking free "medical care". Advice is opinions. Everyone has one. Not all agree with each other. I think any forum will be this way. I also think sometimes words in writing come across harsher than when spoken. We all have to keep that in consideration. As for me, I personally take the members advice to heart. They have experience with Yorkies and usually have seen similar situations. If they tell me I need to see a vet then guess where I am going. But that is just me. I understand your feelings but try to keep some of the previous situations in mind. It might help you to understand why some of the YT members fight so hard to stand up for what they believe in.
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07-24-2011, 09:44 AM | #19 |
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| I had to post on the S & I forum a short time ago and I was very embarrassed about the situation I was in. I was afraid people would pass judgement on me, as they had every right to. But the way I looked at was the thread is not about me, it was about my pup. How selfish would it have been for me to not post out of fear of hearing something I didn't want to? Also, I wanted specific advice based on actual experiences. I didn't know what to go to the vet for once I was able to take her (due to YTer's passion to help a pup). I was given a few ideas on what to ask for or be concerned about, etc. I'm sure things could've gone from worse to horrific if either I just stayed home or took the first quack's advice that we saw. But again, people here spoke up & made it possible in more ways than one for Princess to get the care she deserved. And out of the whole thing I seem to have made more friends, rather than any "enemies". Sometimes things may come across strongly, but you have to ask yourself if that was to hurt you or to ultimately help you. There are things I'm passionate about, believe in & know to be true. If I thought someone could benefit from it I'd make sure I was (hopefully) heard, too. You're new here & we're all virtually strangers to you, just like if you just joined a group of people in person for a discussion, you may not always know their intentions. Personally, I think less than two months is not enough time to get to know someone via a forum anyways.
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07-24-2011, 11:00 AM | #20 | |
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| My thread is not solely regarding the one about the woman who advised them to go to a chiropractor.........that was just an example. I read through that and there is NO WAY I would advise anyone nor would I take my dog to a chiropractor I would only trust a Vet. My point was: why attack what that woman believes in? I do believe that the OP should strongly be advised to NOT take their poor baby to a chiropractor BUT if that is what she believes who is ANYONE to say what she believes in is wrong. The comments I read may not be there anymore but there were a few going back and forth and I believe they were not being respectful nor helpful by doing what they were doing. Quote:
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07-24-2011, 11:03 AM | #21 |
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| I think this is a judgmental thread and you are attempting to bully people into not speaking up for the dogs when necessary- thankfully, many people have done this before and it does not work. People don't always get the answers they want here, but they do always get the knowledge and support of some very experienced members.
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07-24-2011, 11:11 AM | #22 | |
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07-24-2011, 11:18 AM | #23 | |
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| I am not targeting you but I was taken back by the way that particular thread was dealt with. I agreed with you but as I just said above I did not agree with the way it was handled. I don't think that woman should have been attacked by asking her "I have to ask~do you even own a dog?" The back and forth was going a bit far and I felt sorry for that woman! I would have been just as defensive as her because she was feeling personally attacked.... I do apologize to you and will take the advice of others on "leading by example" from now on. I was just upset because I was reading MY thread over again and then I read that one and my emotions were running. Quote:
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07-24-2011, 11:20 AM | #24 | |
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07-24-2011, 11:23 AM | #25 | |
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I think most of the people I am referring to are great people who do great things I just want to bring to attention that the way people say things in defense of the dog is sometimes hurtful to the owner and that is not doing anyone any good.
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07-24-2011, 11:24 AM | #26 |
T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England
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| The posts that are gone in the chiropractor thread are the ones where lillymae is calling others "ignorant" and then she goes on to define the word citing to her dictionary. Those are the only posts that were offensive, and the only ones that were removed. There are no others that say what YOU say they say. And in any event, if I want to say that I will NEVER take my dog to a chiropractor, I'll say it. Having a different opinion than yours, or anyone else here, does not make one a bully. It also does not make one judgmental. It simply means I don't agree. And if the OP wants advice about chiropractic, lillymae already extended an invitation to receive PMs. I would readily refer any member seeking chiropractic care to other members who believe in that, while still stating I do not. And with regard to your thread, where you claim to be bullied, if I recall correctly, you came on your thread wanting a rubber stamp. I replied to you then saying that it would be disingenuous for us to rubber stamp you to spare your sensitivities. I still do not agree with what you did for Lucy, but it is your dog and you have to live with your decisions, not me. I told you what I would have done and why. You don't like what I have to say? Then don't listen. Feed your dog cans of l/D without any imaging or objective diagnostic information if you and your vet think that is appropriate. I would not be satisfied with that advice, and it's not the advice you would have gotten if you went to an ACVIM vet who would have AT THE VERY LEAST wanted to take a few pictures of that liver. Again it is your dog, and whatever you choose, I wish you and she well as I've stated numerous times. I think that is SUPPORTIVE, HONEST, and STRAIGHT FORWARD. By the way, I left your thread because you do not want my input. I saw no reason to return to your thread. You have stated what you are doing and I wished you well. I have nothing else to offer you at this time. If another thread of yours comes around and I think I have something to offer, I am not going to hold a grudge simply because you are calling us bullies and trying to silence our opinions. I do think this may be a first where someone here has suggested that we are bullies for LEAVING A THREAD PEACEFULLY.
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07-24-2011, 11:27 AM | #27 | |
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Thank you!!!! This is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make!
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07-24-2011, 11:29 AM | #28 |
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| I promise I will try to not let my emotions get the better of my and I will take this advice wholeheartedly because the last thing I want to do is make people think that I am judging or bullying!
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07-24-2011, 11:32 AM | #29 | |
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I honestly did not start this or aim it toward megansmomma she just happened to respond right after I read the thread about chiropractors right after I started the thread. I do try to take it with a grain of salt but when something I wrote was completely ignored on my thread and then I was accused of not doing what my Vet and specialist told me to do~when in fact I am doing EXACTLY what they suggested~that is wrong.
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07-24-2011, 11:33 AM | #30 |
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| A lot of what people post appears to be bullying when actually it's just very firm opinions and advice, some of which is said at times a little harsher than maybe it should be. But it's only because the "bullies" combined have been through much of what is posted in the S&I section. When I first joined YT I was very intimidated of a few people and was so reluctant to post anything. I thought some of the comments seemed a bit harsh. I now realize that those people have become some of my closest friends on YT because they ultimately care intensely for and love their pets. I was confused by megansmomma's intentions at first , would never debate barney107 if my life depended on it and LadyJane still scares me at times. These people are some of the greatest assets on YT and sometimes it takes a little time to see that. disclaimer: the names used in this post are hypothetical "bullies"
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