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Zoey Zendaya · 08-26-2016, 06:53 AM

Also Zoey had no limping, favoring of leg , hopping or skipping either...that's why I had to get opinions....

.but they suffer in silence and that problem is still there only to get worse.....they heal more quickly when they are young too.....my goodness it was only that first week she was down....I had both legs done and she happily hobbled around on stiff bandaged legs for 12 days...to go out to pee and spy on the neighbor dogs....hardest part is keeping her confined ...no running or jumping....it really wasn't that bad...

Zoey Zendaya · 08-26-2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoey Zendaya

Also Zoey had no limping, favoring of leg , hopping or skipping either...that's why I had to get opinions....

.but they suffer in silence and that problem is still there only to get worse.....they heal more quickly when they are young too.....my goodness it was only that first week she was down....I had both legs done and she happily hobbled around on stiff bandaged legs for 12 days...to go out to pee and spy on the neighbor dogs....hardest part is keeping her confined ...no running or jumping....it really wasn't that bad...

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Debraelaine · 08-26-2016, 02:59 PM

thanks for the input. I do think the breeder was being delusional when breeding this dog, talking herself into the thought that it was caused by an accident. Why risk it. She gave the impression all her dogs were tested but than had this excuse for this mom. we looked at the certificates certifying all her other dogs and than realized this mom was not included. I would have never got a dog out of this dam if I had known this, she was quite expensive too. I had 2 other Yorkies that lived long lives with no problem form the luxating patella. They were walked and excercised and possibly that made their ligaments etc stronger so as no to have this be a problem. It is a hard decision, cause it could be the wrong one not to do surgery with this particular pup.

ladyjane · 08-26-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Debraelaine

thanks for the input. I do think the breeder was being delusional when breeding this dog, talking herself into the thought that it was caused by an accident. Why risk it. She gave the impression all her dogs were tested but than had this excuse for this mom. we looked at the certificates certifying all her other dogs and than realized this mom was not included. I would have never got a dog out of this dam if I had known this, she was quite expensive too. I had 2 other Yorkies that lived long lives with no problem form the luxating patella. They were walked and exercised and possibly that made their ligaments etc stronger so as no to have this be a problem. It is a hard decision, cause it could be the wrong one not to do surgery with this particular pup.

If a pup has LP they may or may not end up with a ligament tear. Exercise won't really prevent it because it really is the wear and tear on the ligament. And, even if they don't have it they could possibly tear one, but certainly more likely with a pup with LP.

It is a hard decision but I think if you speak with a boarded surgeon you will be better equipped to make the right one.

I am sorry you are going through this. Sounds like the breeder misled you. I don't think she is delusional at all. If she has done testing on the others...why not this one? Kind of odd to me. Maybe it was tossed aside when she saw the results...and she made up the accident story? Who knows. You should press her for a refund...did she give you a health guarantee? Even if she didn't, you could really put some pressure on her. Get a quote from a surgeon and present it to her.

Debraelaine · 08-26-2016, 03:21 PM

You are probably right, I think she did toss it aside and mislead. I am thinking about reporting her to the Beiwer club, as apparently she is involved. Of course patellas are not covered under most puppy guarantees, not that I could send her back anyway, but it would help to have the money to pay for it.

ladyjane · 08-26-2016, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Debraelaine

You are probably right, I think she did toss it aside and mislead. I am thinking about reporting her to the Beiwer club, as apparently she is involved. Of course patellas are not covered under most puppy guarantees, not that I could send her back anyway, but it would help to have the money to pay for it.

Sometimes breeders will be decent about it....they IMHO should cover LP. At the very least since you say you paid a lot of money, she should give you something towards the surgery. Sometimes they will be decent...and sometimes they need a little nudge.

Debraelaine · 08-26-2016, 09:02 PM

The breeder didn't seem too open to a resolution when I told her about the patellas. I've read if they are bilateral it is probably genetic. She's in denial.I had other problems too and all as she can say is she didn't have them when she was with her. Right.

ladyjane · 08-26-2016, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Debraelaine

The breeder didn't seem too open to a resolution when I told her about the patellas. I've read if they are bilateral it is probably genetic. She's in denial.I had other problems too and all as she can say is she didn't have them when she was with her. Right.

She sounds like a real winner.

Like I said, sometimes a little nudge is necessary. They all hate bad press.

Jbj23 · 09-13-2016, 05:17 AM

I have read through so many threads on this topic. Still struggling with surgery, which is scheduled for TOMORROW 9/14/16.
My second yorkie, Phoebe, is almost 1 years old and is having surgery tomorrow to correct her back legs, BOTH of them. She has a grade 3 in one leg and 4 in the other. We have her older brother, same biological parents, and he is fine (so far anyway).
I guess I am struggling because, she appears happy and in not in pain. She runs, albeit a little funny at times but is a happy dog. I am just so sad and scared for tomorrow and keep questioning if we are doing the right thing. My vet, who is typically against surgeries, says I am doing the right thing. The surgeon, well she said that also. I know people say, so I have read, that if we don't fix them she will get worse with time and it will become painful and the surgery will be harder and more expensive as she ages.
I am scared for the "keeping her quiet" stage as I have three kids (ages 12,11 and 9), another yorkie (two years old), a collie (5 years old) and a cat (ones years old). I mean how can i keep her from not running and jumping for 2-3 months????
Scared, worried momma here needs advice, suggestions & support!
Thanks

Zoey Zendaya · 09-13-2016, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbj23

I have read through so many threads on this topic. Still struggling with surgery, which is scheduled for TOMORROW 9/14/16.
My second yorkie, Phoebe, is almost 1 years old and is having surgery tomorrow to correct her back legs, BOTH of them. She has a grade 3 in one leg and 4 in the other. We have her older brother, same biological parents, and he is fine (so far anyway).
I guess I am struggling because, she appears happy and in not in pain. She runs, albeit a little funny at times but is a happy dog. I am just so sad and scared for tomorrow and keep questioning if we are doing the right thing. My vet, who is typically against surgeries, says I am doing the right thing. The surgeon, well she said that also. I know people say, so I have read, that if we don't fix them she will get worse with time and it will become painful and the surgery will be harder and more expensive as she ages.
I am scared for the "keeping her quiet" stage as I have three kids (ages 12,11 and 9), another yorkie (two years old), a collie (5 years old) and a cat (ones years old). I mean how can i keep her from not running and jumping for 2-3 months????
Scared, worried momma here needs advice, suggestions & support!
Thanks

The first two weeks is the most crucial to keeping them down....try and develope a routine. AND a small area she can roam and be isolated. Do you have gates to gate off a room? Or an exercise pen you can put her bed and pee pads in?
Mine had a routine every day...and I had to climb more gates ...carry more crates and interchange steps for ramps but it needs to be everybody's part o make sure that baby doesn't bear weight right away or run right away....
Our cant keep them down for very long....they're terriers...try not to excite ....isolate if people are coming over let them be near you as much as possible....and you ARE doing the right thing.....they recover fast....Zoey just had her 6 week checkup with X-rays and he is VERY pleased how fast she has healed....gave us permission to give her more freedom gradually but not fully for 4 more weeks....he said at this point under supervision and no running at full speed or jumping she can climb a few stairs and she can't re injure herself..SO THAT was a relief....it really isn't as bad as we think ....look at her light up when she stands on those new little legs and realizes THEY DONT HURT TO MOVE ANYMORE..even in ace bandages top to bottom she could walk very well, stiff legged...she licked and licked me in the face ...
You might want to take her favorite food when you go to pick her up and feed her in the car before you leave.....they are starving and so need pampering.
Hope this helps ...

SirTeddykins · 09-13-2016, 07:53 AM

I just found out last week that Teddy has Grade 1 luxating patella and, having done extensive research, understand that there is no conclusive evidence that luxating patella is a genetic/hereditary condition. As a result, it is only a recommendation that dogs known to have the condition aren't bred. Additionally, the vet I spoke to advised that 90% of Yorkshire terriers, along with other toy breeds like the shih-Tzu and poodle, have the condition which does not always progress to surgery requirement. In fact, he and another university vet told me they would be more surprised if there was no luxating patella present. My dog was bred by a Crufts show breeder so it would appear it is an inherent issue as per vet advice.

I must confess that I have not read the whole issue here but I do know that my vet advised that there is no way to prevent the condition and there is no sure way to prevent progression and that surgery is not recommended unless and until the condition is debilitating to the quality of life which is normally only the case under extreme circumstances.

Hope that helps?

Frankiefroozle · 11-01-2016, 05:39 AM

Hi, this is my first message and im hoping someone can help, My little yorkie is only 1.8kilos, she was the runt of the litter and after a rocky 12mths fighting off all sorts shes now fit and healthy and loving life! the only problem we have is ahe has been diagnosed with a grade 4 luxating patella, she shows no signs of pain, runs like a whippet and jumps with ease! The vet says she needs surgery, im so scared as i love her so much and worry about the operation! even though she shows no sign of pain, the vet says she will end up with severe arthritis! shes booked in for the 12th november, im praying im doing the right thing as i keep reading such mixed messages!

nikki1 · 11-01-2016, 11:25 AM

Hi...Saw your post and thought i would give you my two cents although if you have confidence in your vet- they should be the best to answer this...ask for a sit down and really ask the questions- danger???...pup is young- I know surgery is suppose to be better when young but also know any surgery is risky...that anesthesia is terrible and scary....ask those scary questions and get an honest opinion on Is she too young??..well you know all the risks I am sure..
My yorkie was runt too but will be 14 in January..I refused the surgery because of her age...Her problems started early but we moved to a one floor home which is still helping her now....she is in pain sometimes and takes suppliments to help her pain..Has normal checkups and her age is starting to show..Am I sorry I didn't have the surgery?...No- I do hope when the time comes and when I have to do what I have to do- it will be fast ....Hate to think of that now...
She has stomach problems now- can't eat everything and I combat that with chicken and rice or a low fat diet until well...The floating patella is still a problem but I watch her very carefully...she is a happy pup and sleeps a lot but at almost 14???...Hope I helped a little

Debraelaine · 11-01-2016, 03:54 PM

Make sure and get another opinion.
My dog was diagnosed with luxating patellas, grade 3 in left leg, grade 1or 2 in right . I took her to another vet and she couldn't get the legs to luxate at all. The left one she said felt different though than the right , like maybe it had more muscle or tissue buildup, she actually had a hard time feeling the patella at all in the left, so I may get it x-rayed just to see if it is anything to be concerned about..These are two completely different opinions. The first vet was already talking surgery

Frankiefroozle · 11-03-2016, 08:38 AM

thank you for your messages, we have had two vets now confirm both grade 4 in her legs! we had a very scary day yesterday she was asleep on my lap and suddenly started to choke, it was about 45 seconds before i could get her to take a breath and i was in a terrible state, after this we decided we want her with us as fit and heathy as we possibly can so we have reluctantly decided to go ahead with the operation. This is my first ever dog and i never knew how much they would become such a huge part of the family! thanks for your advice and ill let you know how she gets on! xx

08-26-2016, 06:53 AM	#76
Zoey Zendaya Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,221	Also Zoey had no limping, favoring of leg , hopping or skipping either...that's why I had to get opinions.... .but they suffer in silence and that problem is still there only to get worse.....they heal more quickly when they are young too.....my goodness it was only that first week she was down....I had both legs done and she happily hobbled around on stiff bandaged legs for 12 days...to go out to pee and spy on the neighbor dogs....hardest part is keeping her confined ...no running or jumping....it really wasn't that bad... __________________ Zoey Zendaya Ezmirelada Marie & Izzy Olivia Penelope Renee

08-26-2016, 02:59 PM	#78
Debraelaine YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Burnsville Posts: 9	patella thanks for the input. I do think the breeder was being delusional when breeding this dog, talking herself into the thought that it was caused by an accident. Why risk it. She gave the impression all her dogs were tested but than had this excuse for this mom. we looked at the certificates certifying all her other dogs and than realized this mom was not included. I would have never got a dog out of this dam if I had known this, she was quite expensive too. I had 2 other Yorkies that lived long lives with no problem form the luxating patella. They were walked and excercised and possibly that made their ligaments etc stronger so as no to have this be a problem. It is a hard decision, cause it could be the wrong one not to do surgery with this particular pup.

08-26-2016, 03:21 PM	#80
Debraelaine YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Burnsville Posts: 9	patella You are probably right, I think she did toss it aside and mislead. I am thinking about reporting her to the Beiwer club, as apparently she is involved. Of course patellas are not covered under most puppy guarantees, not that I could send her back anyway, but it would help to have the money to pay for it.

08-26-2016, 09:02 PM	#82
Debraelaine YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Burnsville Posts: 9	Patella The breeder didn't seem too open to a resolution when I told her about the patellas. I've read if they are bilateral it is probably genetic. She's in denial.I had other problems too and all as she can say is she didn't have them when she was with her. Right.

09-13-2016, 05:17 AM	#84
Jbj23 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Hudson, wi usa Posts: 13	Surgery tomororw I have read through so many threads on this topic. Still struggling with surgery, which is scheduled for TOMORROW 9/14/16. My second yorkie, Phoebe, is almost 1 years old and is having surgery tomorrow to correct her back legs, BOTH of them. She has a grade 3 in one leg and 4 in the other. We have her older brother, same biological parents, and he is fine (so far anyway). I guess I am struggling because, she appears happy and in not in pain. She runs, albeit a little funny at times but is a happy dog. I am just so sad and scared for tomorrow and keep questioning if we are doing the right thing. My vet, who is typically against surgeries, says I am doing the right thing. The surgeon, well she said that also. I know people say, so I have read, that if we don't fix them she will get worse with time and it will become painful and the surgery will be harder and more expensive as she ages. I am scared for the "keeping her quiet" stage as I have three kids (ages 12,11 and 9), another yorkie (two years old), a collie (5 years old) and a cat (ones years old). I mean how can i keep her from not running and jumping for 2-3 months???? Scared, worried momma here needs advice, suggestions & support! Thanks

09-13-2016, 07:53 AM	#86
SirTeddykins aka ♥SquishyFace♥ Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: n/a Posts: 1,875	I just found out last week that Teddy has Grade 1 luxating patella and, having done extensive research, understand that there is no conclusive evidence that luxating patella is a genetic/hereditary condition. As a result, it is only a recommendation that dogs known to have the condition aren't bred. Additionally, the vet I spoke to advised that 90% of Yorkshire terriers, along with other toy breeds like the shih-Tzu and poodle, have the condition which does not always progress to surgery requirement. In fact, he and another university vet told me they would be more surprised if there was no luxating patella present. My dog was bred by a Crufts show breeder so it would appear it is an inherent issue as per vet advice. I must confess that I have not read the whole issue here but I do know that my vet advised that there is no way to prevent the condition and there is no sure way to prevent progression and that surgery is not recommended unless and until the condition is debilitating to the quality of life which is normally only the case under extreme circumstances. Hope that helps?

11-01-2016, 05:39 AM	#87
Frankiefroozle YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Solihull Posts: 2	luxating patella Hi, this is my first message and im hoping someone can help, My little yorkie is only 1.8kilos, she was the runt of the litter and after a rocky 12mths fighting off all sorts shes now fit and healthy and loving life! the only problem we have is ahe has been diagnosed with a grade 4 luxating patella, she shows no signs of pain, runs like a whippet and jumps with ease! The vet says she needs surgery, im so scared as i love her so much and worry about the operation! even though she shows no sign of pain, the vet says she will end up with severe arthritis! shes booked in for the 12th november, im praying im doing the right thing as i keep reading such mixed messages!

11-01-2016, 11:25 AM	#88
nikki1 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: mullica Hill NJ Posts: 5	buffy age 14 in january Hi...Saw your post and thought i would give you my two cents although if you have confidence in your vet- they should be the best to answer this...ask for a sit down and really ask the questions- danger???...pup is young- I know surgery is suppose to be better when young but also know any surgery is risky...that anesthesia is terrible and scary....ask those scary questions and get an honest opinion on Is she too young??..well you know all the risks I am sure.. My yorkie was runt too but will be 14 in January..I refused the surgery because of her age...Her problems started early but we moved to a one floor home which is still helping her now....she is in pain sometimes and takes suppliments to help her pain..Has normal checkups and her age is starting to show..Am I sorry I didn't have the surgery?...No- I do hope when the time comes and when I have to do what I have to do- it will be fast ....Hate to think of that now... She has stomach problems now- can't eat everything and I combat that with chicken and rice or a low fat diet until well...The floating patella is still a problem but I watch her very carefully...she is a happy pup and sleeps a lot but at almost 14???...Hope I helped a little

11-01-2016, 03:54 PM	#89
Debraelaine YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Burnsville Posts: 9	luxating patella Make sure and get another opinion. My dog was diagnosed with luxating patellas, grade 3 in left leg, grade 1or 2 in right . I took her to another vet and she couldn't get the legs to luxate at all. The left one she said felt different though than the right , like maybe it had more muscle or tissue buildup, she actually had a hard time feeling the patella at all in the left, so I may get it x-rayed just to see if it is anything to be concerned about..These are two completely different opinions. The first vet was already talking surgery

11-03-2016, 08:38 AM	#90
Frankiefroozle YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Solihull Posts: 2	thank you for your messages, we have had two vets now confirm both grade 4 in her legs! we had a very scary day yesterday she was asleep on my lap and suddenly started to choke, it was about 45 seconds before i could get her to take a breath and i was in a terrible state, after this we decided we want her with us as fit and heathy as we possibly can so we have reluctantly decided to go ahead with the operation. This is my first ever dog and i never knew how much they would become such a huge part of the family! thanks for your advice and ill let you know how she gets on! xx