High Bile Acid Test, HELP!! Liver shunt??

[ladyjane]

*sigh*

[Meichelle]

Ok Im not sure why you are putting "sigh" at this but whatever... Ive already told you what Ive told you and you've told me what you've told me..

I cannot get on here but now and then... I do have email notifications turned on NOW.. but I didnt before..

Just an update.. Laylah has been absolutely fine.. I have her on Lactolose as said previously and I do have a script for Keppra... I will have her retested in 3 months for her blood work and bile acids if need be...

Ive already taken her to another vet whom I showed videos of what she does in an episode.


He said that is not a seizure, that is called a focal episode and it is nearly always some to do with the brain.

He also said that because this is a focal episode that Keppra will likely not do anything the same way as phenobarbital did not do anything. He said I can try it if I like to and its not hurtful to her liver but he doesnt have high hopes that it will work in a focal episode. He felt that she may need something else instead

He also said what I am feeding her is also fine.. He does not think there is anything wrong with Primal dog food..

He is unsure why her bile acid came back that high unless of course there is a shunt but he is saying the same as I and that this is not a seizure as in a grand mal seizure that most think of when the word seizure is said. He wants me to redo the test with them in 120 days


I explained that when she does this that she comes when called, she does not drool but she will walk herself for hours unless she can sit with me until she will finally fall relax enough to sleep.

He said this walking could also have some to do with separation anxiety in addition to underlying condition.

Thats all for now.. I will post more when I know more...

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Meichelle

Ok Im not sure why you are putting "sigh" at this but whatever... Ive already told you what Ive told you and you've told me what you've told me..

I cannot get on here but now and then... I do have email notifications turned on NOW.. but I didnt before..

Just an update.. Laylah has been absolutely fine.. I have her on Lactolose as said previously and I do have a script for Keppra... I will have her retested in 3 months for her blood work and bile acids if need be...

Ive already taken her to another vet whom I showed videos of what she does in an episode.


He said that is not a seizure, that is called a focal episode and it is nearly always some to do with the brain.

He also said that because this is a focal episode that Keppra will likely not do anything the same way as phenobarbital did not do anything. He said I can try it if I like to and its not hurtful to her liver but he doesnt have high hopes that it will work in a focal episode. He felt that she may need something else instead

He also said what I am feeding her is also fine.. He does not think there is anything wrong with Primal dog food..

He is unsure why her bile acid came back that high unless of course there is a shunt but he is saying the same as I and that this is not a seizure as in a grand mal seizure that most think of when the word seizure is said. He wants me to redo the test with them in 120 days


I explained that when she does this that she comes when called, she does not drool but she will walk herself for hours unless she can sit with me until she will finally fall relax enough to sleep.

He said this walking could also have some to do with separation anxiety in addition to underlying condition.

Thats all for now.. I will post more when I know more...

I would have sighed because this is frustrating. Your dog showed signs of liver shunt in 2019 its not going to get better just worse at this point. Linda has experience with A LOT of yorkies with liver shunt and how bad it is especially when you wait and let them suffer. I highly doubt it as anything to do with separation anxiety but more to do with her being in pain and confused about what is going on and having a hard time getting comfortable. You seem to be trying to convince your self that she isn't that sick and what your doing is ok but I have to disagree. Dogs are extremely good at hiding pain and how they feel so when you see it you know its bad. I'm guessing you didn't tell the new vet she was showing signs of this in 2019 otherwise I'm sure she would have wanted you to move along with surgery. If you don't have money for the surgery stop playing games with her health and surrender her so she can get the help she needs. By the time you add up all these vets and nutritionists and so on it is going to end up being more then just going ahead with the surgery. The bottom line is even with the new vet is she needs the surgery.

[Meichelle]

Ok Im just done with this forum.. Im going to delete my account after posting this because no one is listening to me .. And I DO NOT wait for SO long to take her to a vet..


One thing that you guys have to remember is that you are also NOT vets!! You run an online web forum but you are not vets either...

You refuse to listen to what Im saying and go off and "sigh" at me when I cannot get on here ... I do happen to have a life outside of being online..

I have been taking Laylah to her vet for phenobarbital check ups and regular check ups and you go off and say I havent done anything since 2019 and she was showing signs then????? Well excuse me very much but at the time I started to read what was in here she HAD been on phenobarbital at that time and it did NOTHING ...

So I'll post this back to you Lady Jane but remember you are not a vet either.. And if it is so frustrating pardon me!!! Ive had her to the vet not long after I posted this bile acid thread and now I wish I hadnt!!!

All you do is make a person feel worse and throw out rude comments and "sigh" at ppl... If I werent a better person I'd tell you to go eff yourself..

Im DONE with you and Im done with this website and you especially have been NO HELP at ALL - You and your OPINION can go shove it thankyouverymuch - I didnt HAVE to come back here and give an update... But I did... Now I wish I hadnt... What a joke!!!

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Meichelle

Ok Im just done with this forum.. Im going to delete my account after posting this because no one is listening to me .. And I DO NOT wait for SO long to take her to a vet..


One thing that you guys have to remember is that you are also NOT vets!! You run an online web forum but you are not vets either...

You refuse to listen to what Im saying and go off and "sigh" at me when I cannot get on here ... I do happen to have a life outside of being online..

I have been taking Laylah to her vet for phenobarbital check ups and regular check ups and you go off and say I havent done anything since 2019 and she was showing signs then????? Well excuse me very much but at the time I started to read what was in here she HAD been on phenobarbital at that time and it did NOTHING ...

So I'll post this back to you Lady Jane but remember you are not a vet either.. And if it is so frustrating pardon me!!! Ive had her to the vet not long after I posted this bile acid thread and now I wish I hadnt!!!

All you do is make a person feel worse and throw out rude comments and "sigh" at ppl... If I werent a better person I'd tell you to go eff yourself..

Im DONE with you and Im done with this website and you especially have been NO HELP at ALL - You and your OPINION can go shove it thankyouverymuch - I didnt HAVE to come back here and give an update... But I did... Now I wish I hadnt... What a joke!!!

Your dog is sick.

Don't ask for HELP if you don't want it.

You know how to view this.

Honestly, I wish you hadn't shared this either. I really do.

All I can do is pray for your pup.

*SIGH*

[ladyjane]

The person you are angry with is not me.

I don't want your dog and I don't sell dogs. I save them. I don't need to defend that. It bothers me when I see cases like this, but I learned long ago that:
A. no one can save them all
B. you can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink

We posted sound advice on this forum for you but you didn't want it because it didn't fit your agenda. Every one who responded was trying their best but we cannot just lie and say all is well. You asked, you received. Blasting us for responding to your request for help isn't going to change the reality of what is happening to your dog.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Meichelle

Ok Im just done with this forum.. Im going to delete my account after posting this because no one is listening to me .. And I DO NOT wait for SO long to take her to a vet..


One thing that you guys have to remember is that you are also NOT vets!! You run an online web forum but you are not vets either...

You refuse to listen to what Im saying and go off and "sigh" at me when I cannot get on here ... I do happen to have a life outside of being online..

I have been taking Laylah to her vet for phenobarbital check ups and regular check ups and you go off and say I havent done anything since 2019 and she was showing signs then????? Well excuse me very much but at the time I started to read what was in here she HAD been on phenobarbital at that time and it did NOTHING ...

So I'll post this back to you Lady Jane but remember you are not a vet either.. And if it is so frustrating pardon me!!! Ive had her to the vet not long after I posted this bile acid thread and now I wish I hadnt!!!

All you do is make a person feel worse and throw out rude comments and "sigh" at ppl... If I werent a better person I'd tell you to go eff yourself..

Im DONE with you and Im done with this website and you especially have been NO HELP at ALL - You and your OPINION can go shove it thankyouverymuch - I didnt HAVE to come back here and give an update... But I did... Now I wish I hadnt... What a joke!!!

If you feel worse, perhaps you need to explore why you feel that way. I'm sorry but we were all as kind as we could be....you posted about a very ill dog and now get mad at US because you cannot afford the vet care needed.

You can blast us all day and tell us as you said to go "eff" ourselves but please remember you asked for HELP as if it were an emergency and now say you have "a life" and couldn't come back with an update Well, so do we have lives yet we took the time to try to help you help Laylah.

You are done? LOL yeah, I think I am . I am not laughing because this is funny...but, because it is ludicrous.

[ladyjane]

[quote=ladyjane;4822562]If you feel worse, perhaps you need to explore why you feel that way. I'm sorry but we were all as kind as we could be....you posted about a very ill dog and now get mad at US because you cannot afford the vet care needed.

You can blast us all day and tell us as you said to go "eff" ourselves but please remember you asked for HELP as if it were an emergency and now say you have "a life" and couldn't come back with an update Well, so do we have lives yet we took the time to try to help you help Laylah.

You are done? LOL yeah, I think I am . I am not laughing because this is funny...but, because it is ludicrous.[/quo

and sad

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Meichelle

Ok Im just done with this forum.. Im going to delete my account after posting this because no one is listening to me .. And I DO NOT wait for SO long to take her to a vet..


One thing that you guys have to remember is that you are also NOT vets!! You run an online web forum but you are not vets either...

You refuse to listen to what Im saying and go off and "sigh" at me when I cannot get on here ... I do happen to have a life outside of being online..

I have been taking Laylah to her vet for phenobarbital check ups and regular check ups and you go off and say I havent done anything since 2019 and she was showing signs then????? Well excuse me very much but at the time I started to read what was in here she HAD been on phenobarbital at that time and it did NOTHING ...

So I'll post this back to you Lady Jane but remember you are not a vet either.. And if it is so frustrating pardon me!!! Ive had her to the vet not long after I posted this bile acid thread and now I wish I hadnt!!!

All you do is make a person feel worse and throw out rude comments and "sigh" at ppl... If I werent a better person I'd tell you to go eff yourself..

Im DONE with you and Im done with this website and you especially have been NO HELP at ALL - You and your OPINION can go shove it thankyouverymuch - I didnt HAVE to come back here and give an update... But I did... Now I wish I hadnt... What a joke!!!

Linda might not be a vet but she has a whole heck of a lot of experience certainly more then you or I and more then the majority of people. I’m guessing your angry because we have hit a nerve and are right and that’s not something you wanted to hear. Also for your information no I’m not a Vet nor do I pretend to be no one has but I am a Vet assistant and have taken classes and know what is sick and what is am emergency or dire. No one is going to post on here that your dog doesn’t need surgery because that would be lying. It’s not all rainbows. Your dog is very sick and you not understanding that is upsetting to those of us who have seen this type of denial before and how much the dog ends up suffering.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Meichelle

**SIGH**


Ive been taking her to a vet .... **SIGH**


Ive taken her to two vets in less than a 3 weeks time **SIGH**


You are NOT a vet but want to play one online **SIGH**


And for your information, I HAVE told him what she's done in the past, he HAS her records, as Ive had them transferred over to the new vet **SIGH**


At the time I joined this shady forum I had NO idea what was going on or why... **SIGH**


Get off your high horse **SIGH**


Im sure theres been others, not just me, that have felt this way about this disproportional stupid forum and or you in general no one has the balls to say so **SIGH**


You do not have all the answers, I refuse to give up MY DOG to YOU of all PPL and how do I know that YOU arent just collecting these poor dogs, and then re selling them for gain??? **SIGH**

I dont and I dont care to..... **SIGH**

Truly you think you know it all so good riddance.. I dont know who has the 2 grand for an ultrasound and near 8 grand for surgery... I can only do what I can do until I know proof positive from a licensed VET (OH NOT YOU BTW) and Im NOT and NEVER SAID she was NOT SICK you idiot!! **SIGH**


**SIGH***SIGH****SIGH****SIGH****SIGH****SIGH****S IGH****SIGH****

Name calling is against the rules………. An ultrasound doesn’t cost that much. If you can not get the care your dog needs allowing her to suffer is disgusting so if you can not afford it then putting her to sleep or surrendering her to a rescue that can get her the help she needs are the only humane and descent things to do. If you love her you shouldn’t want her to suffer. Calling the rescue Linda works with into question could end up with you getting in legal trouble and everyone here knows how reputable the rescue is.

[ladyjane]

No, dear, not laughing at you. Laughing at myself for allowing myself to be drug into such lunacy.

No one here claimed to be a vet. You were advised to go TO a specialty vet.

You asked for, and received, HELP. You are the one who capitalized it.

I am not taking on your anger....it is all yours. You say you don't know anyone who can afford the prices for the things your Laylah needs. All I will say to that is that I happen to know a LOT of people who have provided it. Did they have the money on hand? No, they found a way. Then, there have been others who couldn't but did what was best for their dog, not themselves, and lovingly surrendered to someone who could afford it.

As I said above, I will pray for her and also pray for you that you soon begin to understand that people have said what you needed to hear and perhaps you will find a way to get for LAYLAH what she needs.

BTW I don't know what a nutritionalist is .... perhaps I was mixed up because I only know nutritionist. If you have that definition I would love to hear so I can look into them.

[ladyjane]

BTW there used to be some United Yorkie Rescue foster homes in Ohio. Not sure they are still there, but IF you ever decide you need help, I recommend them