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05-02-2018, 04:34 AM | #16 |
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| P.S.-- Hope you (and Pilot) had good over-nights too! |
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05-02-2018, 07:55 AM | #17 |
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| Thanks, we did get some sleep! I called the vet and the test results came back. Everything is negative both on the RealPCR diarrhea panel and fecal float. She stated if it comes back then she wants to look into IBS, etc. Wylie's Mom stated it can be hard to find the parasites, and the emergency vet said she saw eggs 12 days ago. Not sure what to do now |
05-02-2018, 08:18 AM | #18 | |
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I read the PetMD article "Irritable Bowel Syndrome in Dogs." There section, "Diagnosis" talks about ruling out worms and a list of other causes of diarrhea. I'm not knowledgeable enough to identify which of the listed issues might have been ruled out by the RealPCR diarrhea panel. Did the vet suggest that Pilot might also have to be further tested? | |
05-02-2018, 08:27 AM | #19 |
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| Thanks I'll check it out, I'm having her e-mail me the test results. We tested Pilot and he was negative too. Pilot also had the same tarry black diarrhea last week as well, but his still has been normal for the last few days. |
05-02-2018, 08:36 AM | #20 |
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| I'm not your vet (no surprise there), but couldn't Pax's infestation have been more sever--he was symptomatic give or take a month, before Pilot. In the alternative, is there *any* downside to the IBS treatment protocol? From the earlier linked PetMD article, "Outpatient medical management is the most common method of treatment for irritable bowel syndrome. It is highly recommended that dogs that have been diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome be fed a diet that is highly digestible and has a high volume of fiber in order to help restore and maintain the normal bodily function of the digestive tract. If there are signs of highly stressful elements within your dog's environment, it is also recommended that you make attempts to remove these elements." |
05-02-2018, 09:39 AM | #21 |
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| That's what I'm thinking! Also, It's odd to me that Pilot had the same exact black tarry diarrhea that Pax did. If it was IBS and or something related to Pax's health, wouldn't Pilot be asymptomatic? I feel like I feed a highly digestible diet already. A typical meal would consist of the following: 30-40% protein (mostly chicken breast and some Alaskan salmon) 40-50% veggies (peas, carrots, zucchini, lima beans, kale.. all boiled and pureed) 10-20% white rice We mix this all into a bowl and they eat several ounces at a time, several times a day. We add enough calcium citrate to balance out the phosphorus in the meat (1 to 1 ratio) At meal time we give them small amounts of human grade vitamin b complex, dry vitamin e, probiotics, and glucasomine for their luxating patella. This seemingly has worked well for the last 4 years after Pilot had calcium oxolate stone surgery. At the moment due to the diarrhea episode, I'm only feeding them chicken breast and boiled skinless mashed red potatoes. The boys aren't a fan of rice by itself and usually spit it on the floor! |
05-02-2018, 10:15 AM | #22 |
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| I'm not nearly smart enough to know more about an IBS diet, but the meals you are feeding sure look good to the untrained eye. Will be interested in what the vet says. Are Pax and Pilot having a more ordinary day? |
05-02-2018, 11:27 AM | #23 |
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| Unfortunately, I'm at work, I'll you know later this evening |
05-02-2018, 06:24 PM | #24 |
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| Looks like Pilot and Pax had more of a "normal" day. Pax ate 3 meals for the first time in a long time. For the last two months, he had no appetite in the morning and became a very picky eater. That eventually progressed into not eating breakfast and lunch within the last week. He has not had a bowel movement in 24 hours now, whereas he was going every few hours the last week. I'm still very worried we are not out of the woods yet, and I don't think my normal vet is convinced it was parasites since all the tests came back negative. I'm wondering if that second dose of Drontal Plus helped in addition to the extra fluids from his hospitalization yesterday. |
05-02-2018, 07:04 PM | #25 |
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| That's really good news. You also wrote, "I'm wondering if that second dose of Drontal Plus helped in addition to the extra fluids from his hospitalization yesterday." If memory serves me, wasn't it common to give a second dose of the meds about two weeks following the first? Separately, I'm sure the fluids helped much. Did the vet suggest a follow up appointment? Wylie's Mom wrote that the worms can "wreck havoc" and suggested you trust your gut. I hope that second does of meds does the trick. Keeping the prayers up. Last edited by KatysMom; 05-02-2018 at 07:08 PM. |
05-03-2018, 03:42 AM | #26 | |
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I should also mention when Pax was initially diagnosed by the emergency vet with hookworms, I gave Pilot his heartworm medicine which has the hookworm dewormer ingredients as well. We then gave Pilot the Drontal Plus after he contracted the tarry diarrhea a week later, so he technically had two doses. The vet did not suggest a follow up visit at this time unless the diarrhea continues. Since all the fecal tests and diarrhea panel came back negative, she suggested the next step be an ultrasound to investigate other medical causes. Pax finally had a bowel movement overnight (they have potty pads), and it was normal with no signs of blood. He also seems to have regained his appetite though I don't to make any conclusions yet. He wouldn't eat breakfast for the last few weeks and became picky eater. I gave him a piece of chicken before I left for work and he ate it right away, before he would turn his nose up to it and go back to sleep. Thanks again for all your support, it really helps. I'll continue with the updates! | |
05-03-2018, 04:48 AM | #27 |
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| Looks like Pax didn't want to eat much again this morning, ugh We'll see how he does throughout the day, at least no diarrhea so far... |
05-03-2018, 05:07 AM | #28 |
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| I know you have a lot going on so thank you again for taking the time to update. Yeah for the normal BM, but not much eating is a reminder that he's not out of the woods.* With the two dogs, are you able to tell whether Pax is drinking? You wrote, vet "suggested the next step be an ultrasound to investigate other medical causes." That sounds like a good idea, along with having the vet update his vitals I'll keep the prayers cranked up. *My family said that when it came to Katy, I had become my mother--how did the little one eat, drink and BM. |
05-03-2018, 06:38 AM | #29 |
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| We typically add water to their home cooked food to help keep their urine SG values low due to the potential stones. We gave Pax rice water with probiotics and a little unflavored pedialyte this morning. His energy levels are there and he wants to play as he normally does, he's just being picky with food. It's hard to tell if his stomach is bothering him still or he's just not hungry in general. Pilot is eating/drinking with normal bowel movements still. |
05-03-2018, 07:27 AM | #30 |
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| Lots of positives. |
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