Parvo. :(

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

I am so sorry for the loss of your baby.

GET YOUR MONEY BACK AND RUN FROM THIS BREEDER AS FAST AS YOU CAN. NO WAY WOULD I TRUST THIS BREEDER AGAIN!!

BEFORE you even consider bringing a new baby back into your house you need to clean, clean and clean more. Parvo can live in environment for 7 yrs.

Virkon is the solution you are going to need to decontaminate your home and EVERY PLACE your infected baby walked, or played....all toys, all bedding, EVERYTHING. You can order the Virkon in a pail as a powder, and you mix it up in a garden sprayer and spray every square inch of your floor in your home, as well as anyplace in the yard that baby walked. This is a horrific disease and it shut me down almost 2 years from breeding.....do NOT get another puppy from this person....it does not sound like she is doing ANYTHING to clean her home or the dopgs environment....and parvo is deadly contagious. You even have to clean the soles of any shoes you have worn around your home where the puppy was.....people think Clorox is effective against parvo....it is NOT. Do NOT bring another puppy onto this property for at LEAST 1.5 years.....and that is with thorough daily spraying all surfaces with Virkon. Do NOT go back to that persons property....have her mail you a money order refund for the puppy.

[MeggieNRoxie]

Upon thinking about it more, it also feels like an insult to Hazel's memory, to bring home another puppy. Thank you for all of your wise perspectives.

My 4 year old yorkie is now hiding and trying to vomit. This is unbelievable. We just did boosters in May. I am praying with everything inside me that it's just a coincidence and not the start of another horrific week. I will lose my mind. This will be another sleepless night, as I stay up to make sure Mousse is okay.

[MeggieNRoxie]

The co-breeder is going to do a direct deposit from her bank to mine. She seems like a decent, caring lady. I actually haven't heard from the original breeder. (She sent this litter to the co-breeder -a friend of hers- while she is on vacation, so unfortunately the co-breeder's own dogs and 3 week old litter are at major risk now. She hasn't slept in days and has been bleaching everything. I will text her about the virkon.)

The actual breeder will be home from vacation tomorrow. I wonder what her take on all of this will be. I really wish I could beg her to keep all future litters until 12 weeks of age, minimum. I just can't help but think how this could have turned out differently, you know?

[Scoobstersmom]

MeggieNRoxie,


We feel what we feel, but you did not fail Hazel. She had a better chance with you than she would have had she stayed with the litter. Unfortunately, this is an insidious disease that it hard to beat. You did all you could for her and more. Please don't blame yourself. I am so sorry for your loss. Your posts have been heartbreaking, and I think we all feel your pain with you.


I would also take the money and run - far and fast from this breeder.


How is your older yorkie this morning? They are sensitive, and I am hoping she was just reacting to your stress.


Please take some time to heal, and then maybe the perfect slightly older yorkie pup (with full vaccinations and immunity) will find it's way into your heart.


Diana

[OwnedByJezebel]

How is Mousse? I don't care what that vet told you, I would start the Tamiflu ASAP.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

How is Mousse? I don't care what that vet told you, I would start the Tamiflu ASAP.

It certainly would not hurt anything and it may save your other dog, if you are dealing with parvo in this baby too. You must start it early or it isnt effective...it is early with this other pup, in case that is what is happening with her too......Dont loose your window of opportunity....it is a narrow window.....we know how well the vet did with your baby, dont let the same thing possibly happen with this next one!

[Yorkiemom1]

You tried what your vet wanted to do with your other baby....tell your vet you want to do it YOUR way now, since HER way did not work....and if the vet does not want to go there with you, then I would be changing vets....but that is hard to do when you already have a sick baby....
In any event, here is the information below on the Tamiflu. What your vet tried did not work on the last pup....try this approach....it WORKS!!!

Oseltamivir (Tamiflu)

(for veterinary information only)

Brand Name: Tamiflu

Available in 75 mg capsules oral suspension

Background

What a miracle the development of antibiotics truly was! The commercial development of penicillin and the sulfa antibiotic class represented the first readily available medications that could kill the microorganisms responsible for bacterial infections. Since then, a myriad of antibiotics have become available that exploit the biological differences between bacterial and animal enzyme systems and cellular structures. But none of these medications made any difference to the viruses.

This is the actual canine parvovirus. Reprinted with permission by Jean-Yves Sgro. © 1994 JY. Sgro UW-Madison

A virus is the simplest organism that can technically be called living. Its structure is simple, often just a cluster of DNA inside a protein coat. The virus has no protein metabolism or other systems that a medication might target. A virus simply acts like a syringe attaching to a host cell, injecting its genetic material inside, and tricking the host cell into transcribing this material. In other words, it injects its own DNA into the host cell, attaching its own DNA to the host's DNA. The viral DNA instructs the cell to stop what it is doing and start mass-producing more virus. Soon the host cell becomes a virus factory, replicating thousands of new viral organisms to go forward and infect new cells.
Viruses are responsible for herpes, influenza, HIV, the common cold, and numerous other infections with which we are familiar. It has only been relatively recently that we have had the technology to attack viral biology. Oseltamivir represents such an effort.

Oseltamivir specifically targets the influenza virus. This virus bears an attachment enzyme on its surface called neuraminidase. This enzyme allows the flu virus to bud from the host cell in which it was created and then happily pass through the mucus of the respiratory tract to any cell in the tract it wishes to infect. Inhibiting neuraminidase effectively locks the new viral organisms within their host cell, imprisoning them so that they cannot infect new cells. The immune system will recognize the infected cell and kill it along with its infective contents. When it comes to the flu, oseltamivir is felt to cut a couple of days out of a sickness period. All this, of course, has virtually nothing to do with pets.

Recently, veterinary interest has turned to oseltamivir in the treatment of canine parvovirus, a life-threatening infection characterized by vomiting and bloody diarrhea. Because the parvovirus does not use neuraminidase in its replication, you might not expect oseltamavir to have value but it turns out that neuraminidase is an important enzyme used by pathogenic bacteria invading through the protective mucous barrier of the GI tract. Invasion of intestinal bacteria into the bloodstream is an important cause of death in parvoviral infection and this is where oseltamavir appears to be helpful though there is still controversy surrounding its use.

How this Medication is Used

To assist in the treatment of canine parvovirus infection, oseltamivir is given orally twice a day for 5 days. The medication should be obtained as soon as the parvovirus diagnosis is confirmed. If a puppy has been exposed to canine parvovirus but is not ill, oftentimes the clinical disease can be circumvented by giving a course of oseltamivir.

Usually an oral suspension is compounded or the human product is given. This medication is not approved for use in animals.

Side Effects

In pets, side effects have not been appreciated; however, veterinary experience is limited and the following is taken from human patient information sheets on oseltamivir.


coughing
diarrhea
difficulty sleeping
dizziness
headache
nausea and vomiting
nose bleed
We include this information as general information but if you are using oseltamivir on a pet and think you may be seeing indications of any of the above, report them to your veterinarian.

Interactions with other Drugs
There are no known drug interactions with oseltamivir.

Concerns and Cautions

The most important caution is to recognize that canine parvovirus is a life-threatening infection for which there is no substitute for hospitalization. You should never attempt to diagnose parvovirus infection on your own nor treat it without veterinary supervision. Puppies who have advanced parvo symptoms such as septicemia or severe dehydration may not respond to oseltamivir. This medication works best early in the course of infection before the patient is combating large amounts of virus. Remember, the goal of using oseltamivir is to minimize the amount of virus in the patient so that the immune system will have an easier job eradicating the infected cells.

Reconstituted oseltamivir does not last longer than 10 days and must be disposed of thereafter.

If a patient seems to have an upset stomach on oseltamivir, give the medication with food.

This medication works best early in the course of infection before the patient is already combating large amounts of infectious organisms. If pathogenic bacteria have already invaded, the effectiveness of oseltamavir will be blunted. Animals that have advanced symptoms such as septicemia, severe dehydration, and pneumonia may not respond to oseltamivir. (Tis is why it is absolutely imperative that treatment be started early to be effective...if a vet waits until the pup is experiencing advanced symptoms of parvo, it wont work and then the vet says the treatment was ineffective....if started early, it works.)

[XenaLee]

I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. How is Mousse doing??? I'll keep you all in my thoughts and prayers. Stay strong and may God keep Mousse healthy. Please let us know how Mousse is doing.

Take care.

[Doodlebug]

I am so sorry for your loss. I pray that you other pup is ok.

[MeggieNRoxie]

Mousse is doing OK- the vomiting seems to have been a fluke, but I'm not going to be able to relax until at least 14 days have passed from when I brought Hazel home. I was able to get a big spray bottle of "parvocide" (maybe virkon? Not sure, but it doesn't smell like bleach) from the vet, and I've been cleaning everything with it, even areas Hazel had never gone into.

Hazel was so sick, so fast, that she never had a chance to run around my house or go outside. I literally set her down on a pee pad twice, and the rest of the time she was in my arms or laying on my bed. I've tossed out my sheets because I'm not sure I should put the parvocide in my washing machine. I wish I could use it as a body wash, because every time I snuggle with Mousse I imagine all of these parvo germs leaping off my skin and onto Mousse's fur. I wonder if it's possible to get ptsd from this. I keep having nightmares at night and anxiety during the day.

[Belladea]

It may take a little while to get past the fear and anxiety concerning Mousse's health, but you are doing all you can to protect him. As far as your loss concerning Hazel, that will take a bit of time. Just remember, you really did do everything possible to save her,but it was already too late by the time she was in your care. This tragic loss was due to the negligence of a thoughtless breeder. Again sorry for your loss.

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by MeggieNRoxie

Mousse is doing OK- the vomiting seems to have been a fluke, but I'm not going to be able to relax until at least 14 days have passed from when I brought Hazel home. I was able to get a big spray bottle of "parvocide" (maybe virkon? Not sure, but it doesn't smell like bleach) from the vet, and I've been cleaning everything with it, even areas Hazel had never gone into.

Hazel was so sick, so fast, that she never had a chance to run around my house or go outside. I literally set her down on a pee pad twice, and the rest of the time she was in my arms or laying on my bed. I've tossed out my sheets because I'm not sure I should put the parvocide in my washing machine. I wish I could use it as a body wash, because every time I snuggle with Mousse I imagine all of these parvo germs leaping off my skin and onto Mousse's fur. I wonder if it's possible to get ptsd from this. I keep having nightmares at night and anxiety during the day.

I feel so sad about what you are going through, and I don't want to add to your nightmares. I have no experience with parvo, so I can only go by what I read here. Please use the Parvocide throughout the house and yard, and on your family's clothing. You need to think about where you have gone, as well as your husband, children, and even Mousse if they had contact with your precious soul. I really think Mousse will be okay, even with a compromised immune system based upon what my vet told me. My Rainbow Bridge baby, Ashley, was exposed to many dogs in our daily walks in the seven years when we stopped all vaccines, and she passed away at close to seventeen. If the immunization a have done properly as a puppy and they have their first year booster, they should be immunized for life, or at least conservatively 5-7 years. I will keep praying for you. I am so sorry for your loss.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by lisaly

I feel so sad about what you are going through, and I don't want to add to your nightmares. I have no experience with parvo, so I can only go by what I read here. Please use the Parvocide throughout the house and yard, and on your family's clothing. You need to think about where you have gone, as well as your husband, children, and even Mousse if they had contact with your precious soul. I really think Mousse will be okay, even with a compromised immune system based upon what my vet told me. My Rainbow Bridge baby, Ashley, was exposed to many dogs in our daily walks in the seven years when we stopped all vaccines, and she passed away at close to seventeen. If the immunization a have done properly as a puppy and they have their first year booster, they should be immunized for life, or at least conservatively 5-7 years. I will keep praying for you. I am so sorry for your loss.

[YorkieMomNYC]

I just stumbled on this thread, and I am so very sorry for your loss. I also lost a puppy at a very young age, it is devastating. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Originally Posted by MeggieNRoxie

Hi, everyone. I could really use some positive thoughts and prayers. I'll start at the beginning- I was a surrogate for a friend and I delivered her twin girls about a month ago, very early. They were born at 27 weeks. They are still in the hospital having their ups and downs, and my emotions have been all over the place. After much thought, I decided to get a new yorkie. Having something to rock and cuddle and focus my attention on would really benefit me, and I had been thinking about it for so long.. what better time than this?

So, I finally picked up my sweet baby 2 days ago! She is only 8 weeks which does seem a bit young, but she has stolen my heart. My kids completely adore her.

About 12 hours ago, she had a pretty vile episode of diarrhea. I chalked it up to stress, because she had just been transported across state lines. But then she started vomiting and having more diarrhea, and she was refusing to eat or move from her bed. I rushed her to the emergency vet at midnight, where they did a parvo test. It immediately came up positive, and I lost it. I started sobbing like a fool. She was so expensive, and now this vet bill will be another huge cost, with no guarantee that she will pull through! I'm not sure where I'm going to be able to pull 2 grand (or more) from. I'll figure it out, but I am just devastated right now. I could really use some positive outcome stories, or even just some internet hugs. I am so worried. I'm going to go visit her later in the morning, but the vet warned me that she will get much worse before she gets better.. *if* she gets better.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by MeggieNRoxie

The co-breeder is going to do a direct deposit from her bank to mine. She seems like a decent, caring lady. I actually haven't heard from the original breeder. (She sent this litter to the co-breeder -a friend of hers- while she is on vacation, so unfortunately the co-breeder's own dogs and 3 week old litter are at major risk now. She hasn't slept in days and has been bleaching everything. I will text her about the virkon.)

The actual breeder will be home from vacation tomorrow. I wonder what her take on all of this will be. I really wish I could beg her to keep all future litters until 12 weeks of age, minimum. I just can't help but think how this could have turned out differently, you know?

She needs to using Virkon, and she needs to be using it every single day, all over the house, all over all the floors, the furniture, everywhere....daily for the next 2 years!!! I use it daily for all my cleaning in dog areas, for the last 14 years!....you have no idea where the parvo germ has been spread all over that house and yard, even her car.....everywhere those sick dogs walked or played or peed/pooped, then owne walks and carries it all over the house, yard, car, out to public.......I wish the germs glowed purple in the dark so people could actually see the massive, extensive contamination by this disease.....every where you have walked, touched, etc is contaminated because the germ is on the bottom of your shoes, in your car....it is frightening. This is why breeders have to STOP breeding for at least 2 years until you can get every single germ that was dropped in your home, in your car, in your yard, etc......this woman with puppies and this disease on her property is in grave danger and she doesnt even fully appreciate the danger they are all in! The INSTANT those puppies show ANY signs of illness....diarrhea, loss of appetite, etc, she had better treat them immediately with Tamiflu or she is going to loose the entire shooting match. This is not something that is "alarming" to a breeder....it is absolutely DEVASTATING to a breeder, and you will loose every puppy you have now, and any puppy you have over the next 7 years, if you dont adequately and PROPERLY treat your ENTIRE premises....this stuff is not just an inconvenience, it is a "deal breaker" and will/SHOULD put the majority of breeders out of business. It costs a small fortune to remediate your entire environment and every square inch of your property. THIS separates the wheat from the shaft!

This breeder need to stop breeding immediately, for at least 2 years, and get this entire property cleaned! The vet that treated the puppies CAN turn her over to the health department if they choose to do so....this is a horrific disease she is spreading!