how often do I feed 2 week orphaned pups
 

My Katie passed away suddenly 2 weeks after giving birth of 5 puppies she did well with first 2 then had trouble with a still born breech birth I took her to the vet and he gave her a shot she then had 2 still born and 1 live birth. Yesterday she ate good played with her toys chased a cat and was acting fine. Last night she started panting real hard threw up her dinner and was favoring her right paws front and back. I was getting things ready with her pups to take her to the emergency vèt and I went to get her she had passed away. I went into shock I did go buy puppy formula and bottles so I need help on how much and how often to feed them. I would appreciate if anyone how or what caused my precious Katie to pass. She was to old but she did have doctors car end as doing so good and in about two hours died. I am broken hearted she was my best friend and I need help saving her babies so I can continue her memory and she died I think from doing this. Thanks

This is horribly sad to read. I have absolutely no information to help you with regarding your poor orphaned puppies. I did look at your other post and it seems that your momma was 9 years old. My suggestion would be to call your vet to ask how you should take care of them. They most be so tiny and will need all of your attention.

Before we breed, we always ask "Is loosing my bitch worth this breeding?", because often, there are issues that claim the life of the female, as well as the puppies. I am sure you are devastated, and I am sorry for your loss......bless her little hear......tnow you need to do everything you can do to save the babies you have left, so her sacrifice isnt in vain.
Are you an experienced breeder? What is your knowledge base in raising orphaned babies, so I will have an idea where to start. You have to weigh these babies twice a day and closely track weight gain. If they are loosing weight, they are not getting enough to eat.,,,or they are not absorbing nutrition from what they are getting. Are they strong? Are they nursing from a bottle WELL....they need to be taking in 1cc per oz of body weight. You need to be giving a caloric dense feeding....
1 can Just Born
1 raw egg yolk
4 oz Pedialyte
3 tbsp Karo Syrup
3 tbsp Vi-Daylin Pediatric vitamins
1 cup whole live culture yogurt (may use 1 cup Kefir milk instead)
This is all mixed together thoroughly and refrigerated as long as a week. Warm before feeding....NEVER FEED COLD FORMULAA TO A COLD PUPPY!!!
This formula delivers 14-16 cal. per cc ....give 1cc/oz of baby's body weight, every 2-3 hours, around the clock for the first 2-3 weeks. You can advance the feedings to every 3-4 hours around the clock, after the first 3 weeks. If these babies are not easily taking the amount they need to gain weight on a daily basis, rather than bottle feeding you should learn to tube feed them...it is safer than trying to feed weak babies any other way, and you deliver the correct amount they need to thrive. Those babies need to be kept warm.....and you really need to be carrying them around next to you in your bra since they have no momma now. Raising orphaned babies involves much more than just feeding....they need to feel skin touch and warmth and movement.....at least carry them around during the day, over night between feedings, put them in their nest with a puppy warmer....I have one of those thingsa filled with rice or beans, that you heat in the microwave and then put it around your shoulders for neck pain....it is long and I curl it around into a circle, cover it with a blanket and nestle them in that....they cour up next to it just like it is momma....This should get you started....good luck with your little ones....you have a rough road ahead of you for the next month, but this is what we must do in such unfortunate circumstances......

You are in Houston? Where in Houston are you?

Here is his original post. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-pregnant.htmlThe mom was 9 yrs old.......they surely don't sound experienced. I'm very worried......

Maybe you are close by? Ugh........I hope he comes back.

Hopefully he will answer and I can get him help before he looses the babies....I am concerned about parvo on the property.....I cant possibly bring them here with all my breeding stock.....but I may be able to help him with vaccinations, NeoPar for the babies, teach him how to tube feed....Good God Gerti, this is KILLING me......poor little Katie needed help and I could have maybe been able to help her.....this is killing me.....

Why would she have just died 2 weeks after giving birth?

Blood clot, sepsis from retained placenta, eclampsia....she should have been able to have a littler of puppies at 9 years old IF SHE HAD BEEN kept in tip top shape, nutritionally and medically....tracking blood work, etc....if she was a strong healthy breeder, she could have easily had a litter....there is no telling what actually went wrong here....I am surprised the babies are still alive 2 weeks after momma died....op is doing something right.....

The mom just died YESTERDAY!!!!!!

Sorry.............I am so upset over momma.....hopefully, this person is going to come back and get some help......

This is heartbreaking!

I hope it was not intentional, I would be asking a lot more questions if i knew nothing about handling this situation. (2 post and gone)

To all she gave birth on the 5th of June. She passed on the 19th the puppies are doing fine they are eating and very active. Katie Mae was doing great that night she ate good and played with her toys she even chased a cat in the back yard around midnight she came to me panting very hard a favoring her right side both paws. I started getting things ready found a emergency get close and when I went to get her she had passed.: I was lost my wife and I were heart broken. I am upset with myself because I was going to have her spayed a while back and the doctor I use didn't want to because at the time she was seven. The puppie are eating well we have an older bitch who is helping them go to the bathroom. We are loving them all the time and letting them rest. We have the two females bit big dogs that are being a mother so far and we are just trying to make sure they eat. Katie was on antibiotics for ten days and with her acting like her self all day eating and drinking then in a matter of minutes she was sick panting throwing up her dinner and her stomach was bloated and tight this is why I we going to rush her to the night vet. I have never had this happen so fast a healthy active my best friend die in a couple hours we do live in aw Houston

Time for a new vet if your vet truly said she could not be spayed at the age of 7. Never heard of such a thing. :(

RIP Katie

quote from your message board: "Thanks but I doubt I post any pictures. My Katie Mae is getting weaker by the day from not sleeping. Her being pregnant isn't a good thing I think because of her being 9 years old. I wish It hadn't happened but I don't know what else to do. I lost my job so I have no way to take her to the doctor to take care of her. I had an appointment for her two years ago to be spayed but I lost my job and just making sure she has her shots and heart worm pill every month is all I can do. I have been trying to find a Vet who would take care of her and me pay him payments but its not going to happen or at least I have not found one. I feel I will lose her soon because of her breathing and being weak. I only hope she will have these puppies and live because she is eating well but today she hasn't had any energy or don't even want water. I am giving her water with an eye dropper. I know I wont have any more after this and I am trying to find a home for my other dog I got from the rescue center. They both deserve better than I can give them right now. I posted an ad to give away my Yorkie but being pregnant and her age no one has emailed. I do thank you for the reply. Mike"

What is it: 2 years ago: the vet wouldn't do it (ridiculous) OR you couldn't afford it because you had no job (she was 7-had you never a job?), but then you did get a new dog around that time (at least one, sounds like you have a lot of dogs).

Your stories don't add up. I just feel so sorry for poor Katie who you tried to give away while she was pregnant because she was "getting weaker by the day". And you have different excuses for why she wasn't spayed (while living with many other dogs).

Please do not keep those babies "to continue her memory"! Find responsible pet owners who do not have more pets than they can take care of!!!!!

Geesh!!!!

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We always spay our mommas after they are retired from breeding! Please, change the vet you are using......I can not imagine what in the world his reasoning was......

Heartbreaking. To the OP: If you would consider surrendering these puppies to a rescue, PM me and I will do my level best to help.

My Katie died two weeks to the day after they were born. She was doing great and died in a few hours of feeding the pups. I think it may have been eclampsia and i begged for advice on all kinds of blogs gave the symptoms she was having and not one person including the vet told me it could be that until after she my baby died. No I am no breeder I just love my babies she was not supposed to get pregnant ever. I lost my job she had an appointment to be spayed but I didn't have 500 bucks. I sold my laptop and other things to take her to the doctor while and after her being pregnant. This little soul meant more to me than anything and just because vets are money hungry and some yorkie o

I am around 610 and south post oak any help would be so appreciated. My Katie meant so much to me my wife loved her to. She was a very special friend and I don't wan her death o be in vain. I want her babies to thrive she was a great momma.

Yes I changed vets. I begged for help with a few vets to help her before during and after this but when your out of work they don't care. I don't want he death to be in vain I'm thinking eclampsia was the cause of death. I know I blame my self for not knowing. My baby knocked down a chair to get to me and I didn't save her.

Yes, send LJ a PM.......she WILL help you! Please :(

Ladyjane or Yorkiemom1 both have lots of experience with the breed. Please let them help you with these pups. :(

Your vet should have been able to look at her and tell you what her issue was...blood work would have provided the low calcium results and treatment would have rectified the situation. I am so very happy you have changed your vet....that was a tragedy that could have been prevented if your vet had been more knowledgable. I am just getting back to this thread....working off both your threads has confused me and where we are......I am sooooooooooo sorry I missed all the blogs and pleas for information and help while Katie was still alive......this compounds what turned into a horrible, unnecessary situation.....

I am actively breeding my ladies and can not risk bringing outside dogs onto my property......I have tooooo much to loose. I can tell you this....it is going to cost you a large sum of money and around the clock dedication to feeding, probably tube feeding, these babies in order to get these babies thriving and vaccinated. Ladyjane can get these babies the help they need....you really need to turn them over to her so people that are knowledgable in saving orphaned pups can get them the help they need. Please PM her.....

I am very sorry about your gal Katie . . For the sake of these precious babies I pray that you are strong enough to do what needs to be done in order to assure these babies get the proper nutrition and around the clock care that they need in order to thrive and survive the passing of their momma. It will not be an easy task and I wish you much luck !

Eclampsia
 

When I first was sure my Katie was pregnant I went to any blog , group , chat I could find. I asked two vets what can I do to make sure my Katie was safe. When I asked about her panting all the time I was told to give her calcium and I did. When I was sure she died from eclampsia I helped cause her death by giving her calcium pills. I didn't have one person tell me what eclampsia was or how dangerous it could be. I didn't have one person tell me what to look for so I could take her to a doctor. I can't imagine with all the people I spoke to including two so called doctors didn't know to tell me this when I did ask many times what could go wrong. I never wanted her to get pregnant but crap happens so I went looking for help because my Katie was very special. I didn't find help but I did find nasty comments by people I guess never made a mistake or have been broke. I guess poor people can't have pets.

Still placing blame. SMH

I hope your puppies don't suffer the same fate that Katie did while you sit there wallowing in your own self and misery.

It is about responsibilities in life. You don't have to be wealthy to own pets but you do have to think beforehand what you will do if there is an emergency. You don't have just one pet...you have many, and now you have two tiny little beings that will cost money and a lot of time in order to save their lives.

You say you made a mistake...I fear you are going to make two more mistakes and the only sufferers will be Katie's puppies. We all should learn from our mistakes, not repeat them. Just for NOW, stop talking about Katie .. there will be time for that after you do something to save the lives of her puppies. I hate to say it, but she is not here now ... if you want to do something in her honor, do the right thing for her puppies.

Ok, I am going to be rather blunt here on the posting of what you keep bringing up. Suck it up Buttercup. Stop dwelling on this. At this point you must move on. Sadly, what has happened is done. You need to deal with the situation at hand. You have things you must do NOW and stop bringing up the other things. People here are trying to help you! And do what's best for these pups!

First, you have to get these pups the care they need. You need to be communicating with a vet and have these puppies checked. OR turn them over to someone who can provide them with the care they need. Think about how Katie would want her pups cared for. Do you have the time and funds to give them what they need? You are looking at a lot of work ahead of you. I had a litter of Beagle pups that had to be bottle fed every 2 hours. After all I did and the expense we put out, we still ended up losing one of them. The other survived. I was at home 24/7 with them as they required constant care. You will easily be in the thousands of dollars with vet care.

Second, you need to take care of any other pets in the home by having them spayed or neutered. No excuses. This "mistake" will show how important this is. Just do it. I know there have been low cost clinics mentioned that you can go to.

Point being, you need to think about this situation and decode what is in the best interest of saving these puppies! Forget everything else and focus on one thing, those two babies!

To the OP:

There are a couple of things going on here. You have people conversing with you in Private Messages about how to save your puppies and you have others trying to get you to surrender them. What is clear to me is that you have no intention of turning them over. That's your choice. I am not going to advise you either way. I am simply toing to let you know a couple of things:

You don't like that people are upset with you about Katie ... this is because you want to blame everyone else. She clearly needed a vet and you did not provide that for her. I know that deep down you have to know this. Begging vets and people on message boards will not give you vet care for a pup....only money will. I realize you don't like hearing that but sadly it is a fact that if you don't have money, you cannot get proper vetting. You now know that and you need to think about it long and hard.

While you may be able to raise these puppies on your own, I fear that one setback will be too late. These puppies are tiny and don't have a lot of reserve. By the time you realize one is going down, it may already be too late. Please, please think about this. If one does end up going downhill quickly and you don't have the money to get him/her to a vet, you will lose the puppy. Is this fair?