Help! Teeny baby - Advice would be great!

[dottiesyrky]

Pstinard. I agree with you on the points you make and see that the original poster is doing all she can to help the pup and now is even offering to take the mom and babies under her care. I am sorry if you see my comments as snarky and unhelpful. I did say the poster was doing her best but do not feel it too mean to say the obvious that the pup could die if the treatment did not succeed. Even you suggest you would take the pup to the vet!
I also did suggest that others here might be able to offer more practical help.
I am certainly not trolling the thread to make mean comments, and hope the poster does not see my comments as such.
Again praying the baby will get well.

[EllieMaesMommy]

Originally Posted by Beth Boofa

I agree w/u..this is just nonsense. A puppy needs help but certain ppl refuse to help just simply because they don't agree w/how & why the puppy was brought into this world. I agree with everyone all around but differences aside, a pup needs help! This whole convo is rediculous..

I'm certainly no expert but this has great reviews for a replacement formula
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Also, when I brought my pup home at a very young age, this helped big time! It's not to much money and it will last awhile.
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I'm only trying to help because I have a big heart and I can put judgement & differences aside for this pup who needs help desperately. Please keep us posted, god bless u for caring!

Thank you to those who can at least attempt to understand my heart.

When I said taking puppy to vet wouldn't help the situation, with this relative I would just be the enabler for them, and I've promised my husband I will not enable them anymore. It's tough because its a very close family member.

I hate the situation all around.

THANK YOU for the suggestions on formula/replacements. If the little guy makes it through the night I will be at petco's door waiting for them to unlock it.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Beth Boofa

I agree w/u..this is just nonsense. A puppy needs help but certain ppl refuse to help just simply because they don't agree w/how & why the puppy was brought into this world. I agree with everyone all around but differences aside, a pup needs help! This whole convo is rediculous..

I'm certainly no expert but this has great reviews for a replacement formula
petco.com - Just Born Milk Replacer for Puppies customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings

Also, when I brought my pup home at a very young age, this helped big time! It's not to much money and it will last awhile.
petco.com - PetAg Esbilac Powder Puppy Milk Replacer & Dog Food Supplement customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings

I'm only trying to help because I have a big heart and I can put judgement & differences aside for this pup who needs help desperately. Please keep us posted, god bless u for caring!

NO ONE IS REFUSING TO HELP. What is wrong with you people? This puppy should be seen by a vet to be sure he/she is medically OK. Oh...we should say keep it warm, give it Nutrical, Feed it a formula...but OH NO don't go to a vet...you cannot afford that. UHHH hello??? This puppy may have somethine seriously wrong...none of you know if he/she does or not. Is it suffering????? One way to know...go to a vet!! This is not the first litter..surely these people know you need MONEY for a VET for emergencies. Or...do you just bury the dead ones and sell the rest ? Sorry..but I am NOT going to sit here and give half cracked advice...MY ADVICE IS THAT THE PUPPY SHOULD BE SEEN BY A VET!! If you find that nonsense...oh well. You have a big heart? Well it will be a big broken one if you just pat everyone on the back who neglects their responsibilities to animals.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by EllieMaesMommy

Thank you to those who can at least attempt to understand my heart.

When I said taking puppy to vet wouldn't help the situation, with this relative I would just be the enabler for them, and I've promised my husband I will not enable them anymore. It's tough because its a very close family member.

I hate the situation all around.

THANK YOU for the suggestions on formula/replacements. If the little guy makes it through the night I will be at petco's door waiting for them to unlock it.

If you take it into your home and let your neighbor care for it you are also enabling. What is the difference between that and the vet?

IF it survives? OMG...I am signing off. This is just horrible.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

Pstinard. I agree with you on the points you make and see that the original poster is doing all she can to help the pup and now is even offering to take the mom and babies under her care. I am sorry if you see my comments as snarky and unhelpful. I did say the poster was doing her best but do not feel it too mean to say the obvious that the pup could die if the treatment did not succeed. Even you suggest you would take the pup to the vet!
I also did suggest that others here might be able to offer more practical help.
I am certainly not trolling the thread to make mean comments, and hope the poster does not see my comments as such.
Again praying the baby will get well.

No one is being mean. People are stating the obvious and trying to make someone see how URGENT it is that the puppy get help.

You are not who the person is referring to .. I am.

[EllieMaesMommy]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

NO ONE IS REFUSING TO HELP. What is wrong with you people? This puppy should be seen by a vet to be sure he/she is medically OK. Oh...we should say keep it warm, give it Nutrical, Feed it a formula...but OH NO don't go to a vet...you cannot afford that. UHHH hello??? This puppy may have somethine seriously wrong...none of you know if he/she does or not. Is it suffering????? One way to know...go to a vet!! This is not the first litter..surely these people know you need MONEY for a VET for emergencies. Or...do you just bury the dead ones and sell the rest ? Sorry..but I am NOT going to sit here and give half cracked advice...MY ADVICE IS THAT THE PUPPY SHOULD BE SEEN BY A VET!! If you find that nonsense...oh well. You have a big heart? Well it will be a big broken one if you just pat everyone on the back who neglects their responsibilities to animals.

OMG. Seriously? Would you like the phone number of my relative so you can call them and give them your advice instead of getting yourself in stroke status because I asked for help?

Take the time to read so your responses are accurate. They have not made a penny off of the puppies they have had. Geez. So, NO they won't bury one and sell the others.

This could be an awesome place...

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Let me repeat myself : I don't just post for the OP of a thread...I post for ANYONE who might be thinking of breeding. To not say GO TO A VET is ridiculous imho because it needs to be said in spite of the fact the OP does not want to hear it since she cannot force the hand of the family member who is breeding. She knows what is going on...and she knew what she would hear here....what do you expect from people on this forum? We are not vets!!!!!! This sounds like a dying puppy to me. It is heartbreaking that people can just keep doing this to these poor defenseless beings .. and you act like we are wrong for saying it? Bah!

It did not occur 1,000 years ago and it is not the first time it has happened. There are vets within how many miles you mentioned...they just won't spring for the money. I bet if they were dying they would find a way to get to a doctor. Yorkiemom1 DID give constructive advice....and YES, it included going to a vet!!!

The bottom line the puppy sounds like it will DIE if someone does not do something..for me to say "oh keep it warm and give it Nutrical" is going to KILL it imho. I don't find that constructive at all. Something is wrong..and my acting like it's not a bad thing is not doing anyone any good.

Sorry, but I think that if you are not posting to help out the OP, then you are NOT being constructive, you're standing on a soapbox and preaching--save that stuff for the General Discussion, or better yet, the Off Topic thread. This is the Sick and Injured/Emergencies thread, not the Rhetoric thread. I suggested taking the puppy from the relatives and getting it to a vet, and I also stated that the puppy needs some equivalent of its mother's milk, warmth, and hydration. It sounds like the OP is trying to get the puppies some help and get the puppies away from the relatives. This is an emergency/rescue situation. If anyone has any constructive advice besides "take them to vet," which has already been suggested repeatedly and will undoubtedly be done if humanly possible, please feel free to chime in.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by pstinard

For the sake of the original poster, let me phrase her question differently. What would you do in this situation if there were no vet around for hundreds of miles, or if it occurred 1,000 years ago when there were no vets? Would you stand around and b***h about watching the puppy die? The situation is what it is. She already SAID that she knows the best thing is for the puppy to be taken to the vet, but it's not going to happen. Help her out with some constructive advice, or don't say anything at all.Here is my 2 cents: Keep the puppy warm and hydrated. A little Nutrical is fine, but the puppy will have to have some equivalent of it's mother's milk, which contains the proper balance of protein, fat, vitamins, and minerals. Unfortunately, I don't know a good substitute because I'm not an expert in puppy pediatrics, and my heart bleeds for that puppy because people are not giving any practical advice. The name of this forum is Sick and Injured/Emergencies Talk, and it's sad that people are trolling this thread with snarky, self-righteous comments.

If it were me in this situation, I would plead with the relative to release the puppy into my care and take it to the 24 hour vet emergency clinic in my town, because like I said, I'm not an expert. Whatever happens, please let us know.

Excuse ME!!! I GAVE her advice......they have NO idea how to tube feed a baby, they have no idea what to be feeding the baby..they choose not to take it, so exactly whose fault is THAT?????????? Next, I would NEVER be caught in this situation because if there was no vet around for hundreds of miles, if I did not have a working knowledge of how to breed dogs and take care of orphaned/struggling pups, I WOULDNT BE BREEDING...NOT THE FIRST TIME AND NOT THE SECOND TIME AGAIN!!!!....and, oh by the way, NO ONE, including YOU, except the ADM or a moderator, can tell another member what to say and what not to say, when to post and when not to post., and when to keep their mouth shut!!! Rather than attacking another member, YOU need to concentrate on following your OWN advice and directing your comments strictly to the person you are trying to help. Dont be turning your caustic, beligerant, holier-than-thou, kinder-gentler attitude on another member. Do not be trying to monitor this forum and set the rules and regulations for what can and can not be said, and by whom!!!!!!!!!!! Define YOUR word, "snarky"......NO ONE has said anything "snarky"....just because YOU dont like what has been said, does not make valid advice "snarky". Perhaps "snarky" is getting advice and not taking it!

[EllieMaesMommy]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If you take it into your home and let your neighbor care for it you are also enabling. What is the difference between that and the vet?

IF it survives? OMG...I am signing off. This is just horrible.

Can I send you the vet bill? It's really none of your business how it would be enabling but since you seem to be so interested, this family member owes my husband and I a lot of money.

[Beth Boofa]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Sorry, but I think that if you are not posting to help out the OP, then you are NOT being constructive, you're standing on a soapbox and preaching--save that stuff for the General Discussion, or better yet, the Off Topic thread. This is the Sick and Injured/Emergencies thread, not the Rhetoric thread. I suggested taking the puppy from the relatives and getting it to a vet, and I also stated that the puppy needs some equivalent of its mother's milk, warmth, and hydration. It sounds like the OP is trying to get the puppies some help and get the puppies away from the relatives. This is an emergency/rescue situation. If anyone has any constructive advice besides "take them to vet," which has already been suggested repeatedly and will undoubtedly be done if humanly possible, please feel free to chime in.

Amen!!

[EllieMaesMommy]

I think I'm sorry for coming here to ask for any ideas, suggestions, or advice besides the obvious. Which of course does not mean I don't believe the obvious is the best answer. Ergh!!!

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by EllieMaesMommy

Can I send you the vet bill? It's really none of your business how it would be enabling but since you seem to be so interested, this family member owes my husband and I a lot of money.

You're in our prayers, EllieMaesMommy. If it weren't for the one excellent piece of advice on substitutes for mother's milk, I'd ask the administrator to close this thread. People, please keep the constructive advice coming.

[BabyGirl Rosie]

This is sad to know that they will not give the puppy the proper care it needs. I am a firm believer in proper vet care. If you can't afford it you should not own a pet. However, since they do own one and they are not getting it the care it needs, there is very little the members of this forum can do. I do appreciate that you are at least trying to do what you can. I agree with Ladyjane, try posting in the breeding section. Maybe they can give you some advice on what you can attempt to do.

I encourage you to talk to these people about the situation they are putting these pups in. They need to understand if they are going to be breeders then vet care is essential. It sounds like you are the only one who might be able to explain this to them.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Beth Boofa

I agree w/u..this is just nonsense. A puppy needs help but certain ppl refuse to help just simply because they don't agree w/how & why the puppy was brought into this world. I agree with everyone all around but differences aside, a pup needs help! This whole convo is rediculous..

I'm certainly no expert but this has great reviews for a replacement formula
petco.com - Just Born Milk Replacer for Puppies customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings

Also, when I brought my pup home at a very young age, this helped big time! It's not to much money and it will last awhile.
petco.com - PetAg Esbilac Powder Puppy Milk Replacer & Dog Food Supplement customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings

I'm only trying to help because I have a big heart and I can put judgement & differences aside for this pup who needs help desperately. Please keep us posted, god bless u for caring!

And this makes YOU better than any of the rest of us! In that case, YOU need to become an expert, so you can actually help these people and struggling babies. Perhaps you could be the resident forum vet, since that is what this baby needs and they do not want to take it to the vet for whatever reason. Then, you can save all these babies, with legitimate medical advice.

[EllieMaesMommy]

Originally Posted by pstinard

You're in our prayers, EllieMaesMommy. If it weren't for the one excellent piece of advice on substitutes for mother's milk, I'd ask the administrator to close this thread. People, please keep the constructive advice coming.

I just want this whole thing to go away. I don't feel like I should have to apologize or defend myself for asking for advice. I didn't breed these puppies. It was by chance I found out they even had puppies and had a very sick one.

I just can't imagine how people can be so..... I don't know. I'm speechless.

How do I ask an admin to delete this?