Two week old not nursing and weak

[bchgirl]

I sure wish the outcome looked brighter but I am afraid you will lose this puppy. I'm sorry.

[kpearson0202]

My little Angel passed away I held her and loved her until she took her last breath.

Her beautiful mother is broken hearted and just does not understand where she has gone. I laid her next to her and let her kiss and lick her. She went with us to bury her and stood beside her grave. She keeps looking for her, oh my heart breaks just watching her. I know I let her down, I thought I was prepared for anything to go wrong especially where we live so far away from the larger cities.

What I didn't tell you was that this was my Jerzee's third and last litter. I had her with me in SLC when she went into labor on Dec 30. I had taken everything with me to the motel and was well prepared to deliver these babies. She had the first puppy (this little angel) and all was well, she was suckling immediately. The next puppy just would not come, we waited and then took her to emergency care. The second puppy was turned and appeared to be folded it was stopping the others from coming. The X-rays showed four puppies to be born in addition to the one I already delivered. They decided it was time to do a C Section and the puppy blocking the way had been dead for a day or two and was born with its little intestines on the outside. The other three were born alive but two of them had birth defects bad had to be put down. The fifth was a boy and was doing well but by the time we were taken back they were losing him, thy just could not keep him breathing even though he had a very strong heart beat.

I was devastated to say the least, I had anxiously been awaited the delivery of these babies. I was grateful to have my Jerzee alive and doing well and I felt blessed to have saved at least one. My heart was broken for the babies that we lost and totally sick about the defects they had. My local vet told me it sounded like a virus in the mom or possibly toxins had caused these problems.

We spayed my Jerzee that night and I had spayed my other momma the summer before. We were so lucky and blessed to have enjoyed the puppies throughout the years and I am going to miss loving a kissing and watching those babies grow.

God Bless all of you who are on this site to help others by sharing your wisdom and love.

RIP my little Angel and when you cross that rainbow bridge you will see your brother and sisters waiting there for you. Please give them my love and tell them how beautiful their mommy, Jerzee is.

[barkleylove]

Oh this is so sad

[Julia Howard]

I am soooo .. sorry. This is the hard part of breeding. It happens sooner or later if you do breed, even occasionally. I have rocked and held a couple of mamas too after loosing babies. God Bless You.

Julia

[horsnaround]

So very sorry

[Yorkiemom1]

We all loose babies when we breed. It happens sooner or later. The only recourse we have, is that we prepared ourselves for every eventuality that we could think of....must have every single instrument needed to help mom deliver if necessary....must have a vet on standby to do any necessary c-sections....must have incubators set up to keep orphaned babies warm and safe....must have every single ingredient required to prepare the life sustaining formulas for babies, right there on hand.....must have a thorough working knowledge of HOW TO TUBE FEED A PUPPY, this will pull babies back from the jaws of death at least 8 times out of 10.....have to be knowledgable about giving sub-q fluids to prevent dehydration in these little babies.....you must have the IV fluyids and the syringes and needles to do this......and you MUST be comfortable with good working knowledge required to perform emergent measures, and you must have the financial means to pay for procedures YOU can not do without a license in vet medicine.... with doing whatever it takes to help these struggling babies live. You MUST be able to recognize when the situation is beginning to go from bad to emergent, and you have to be able to kick it up from "0" to 150 mph in 2.2 seconds.....you have to realize that when you have a situation with a failure to thrive baby or an orphaned litter, this is a job that requires 24/7 attention...cant take time off for school or work or tea time with the Ladies Club......you have to realize you are in a fight with DEATH, trying to keep him away from your babies, and that means probably very little or no sleep for you....breeding is exhaustive, and heart breaking....and you must be more than willing and prepared to do WHATEVER it takes, for as long as it takes, to resolve the situation...prayerfully, with a wonderful outcome and all survive. I actually talked a lady thru trying to save her baby....she was over in Saudi Arabia, ....this lady sent friends and begged people all over the Middle East and Europe, to get the supplies I told her she needed....she had incorporated at least 3 other people to help her try to save this baby, working in shifts...she learned to give sub-q fluide and she learned tube feeding from my instructions to her over the internet....she tube fed her baby and was so nervous she was shaking, but she did it and she cried joyfully when she completed the procedure...that lady almost killed herself, and several vets that saw her determination and they pulled out all the stops to help her however they could, trying to save that baby's life, and she would have pulled it off except the baby had an intestinal malformation, so that little soul was destined to return to Heaven....but this girl left NO stone unturned, going all over Europe and the Middle East, gathering required supplies....I have NEVER seen such effort and complete devotion and iron willed determinarion to save her baby.....but this is what you do when you are responsible for bringing babies into this world. I am prayerful that ANYONE that is thinking about breeding and having babies, READ everything you can get your hands on about whelping a litter...get every single instrument you need and set your area up....get everything you MUST have to feed and supplement both momma and baby after the baby is born. This is NOT something that you can go into lighthearted and unprepared, all excited and wearing rose colored glasses.....it is gut wrenching and heart breaking and it often times does not turn out well for babies or momma....THIS is breeding....for God's sake do not go into it lightly and blinded by fairy tale endings....you MUST be prepared for the worst situation...and if it all goes well, congtatulations, you get the brass ring! I am sorry about the length of this post...but these things really do affect me badly, especially when I think a baby of mine may have died because I didnt have the knowledge or the supplies I should have had, JUST BECAUSE I CALL MYSELF A BREEDER.....and every single breeder that posted on this thread over the last few days, feels the very same way, I can promise you..

[kjc]

I'm so very sorry for your loss... RIP Little Angel.

[msyorktown]

Somehow I knew this would not end well....so very sad RIP sweet baby.

Judy I remember the lady whose pup you tried to save...she literally jumped through hoops to try and save that baby....that too so very sad, and yet another reason why I will never breed....I leave that to the professionals.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Somehow I knew this would not end well....so very sad RIP sweet baby.

Judy I remember the lady whose pup you tried to save...she literally jumped through hoops to try and save that baby....that too so very sad, and yet another reason why I will never breed....I leave that to the professionals.

I have never seen anyone work as hard as she did....when I suggested she needed something, she and her friends and family, who were all over the world, went into action and left no stone unturned, to get the object to her....she had vets moving Heaven and Earth, getting solutions for her....and she got the vets behind her in her fight to save that baby....they would suggest different things to try, different diagnostics tests....it was truly amazing. And there were things I learned....like RC has their own puppy formula that is not available in this country...I have written RC corporate, asking "why cant we have this formula here".....have not really gotten any answer that I am impressed with....amazing lady, she was....I will always be awe struck with the efforts she made. And I can honestly say that even tho it hurt my soul to loose that baby, and the lady and I cried together, it was with a sense of satisfaction that there was absolutely NOTHING else that could have been done....all we needed was the Beloved, Gracious Touch from the Blessed Hand of our Lord on that precious baby's heart and soul, and, for whatever reason, He was not ready to give us that.....He makes no mistakes. so that situation was used as a lesson for many, many people.....

[gemy]

@Kpearson; I am sorry for the loss of your litter. At least your bitch survived.

[msyorktown]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I have never seen anyone work as hard as she did....when I suggested she needed something, she and her friends and family, who were all over the world, went into action and left no stone unturned, to get the object to her....she had vets moving Heaven and Earth, getting solutions for her....and she got the vets behind her in her fight to save that baby....they would suggest different things to try, different diagnostics tests....it was truly amazing. And there were things I learned....like RC has their own puppy formula that is not available in this country...I have written RC corporate, asking "why cant we have this formula here".....have not really gotten any answer that I am impressed with....amazing lady, she was....I will always be awe struck with the efforts she made. And I can honestly say that even tho it hurt my soul to loose that baby, and the lady and I cried together, it was with a sense of satisfaction that there was absolutely NOTHING else that could have been done....all we needed was the Beloved, Gracious Touch from the Blessed Hand of our Lord on that precious baby's heart and soul, and, for whatever reason, He was not ready to give us that.....He makes no mistakes. so that situation was used as a lesson for many, many people.....

I was awestruck reading that thread and what she did for her baby...if there was a way to move heaven and earth to save her baby, she would have done it...as you know I'm in Canada, I was praying hard for that baby, I was heartbroken when she didn't make it ....it truly was in God's hands.
Judy you are a Godsend, and I thank you for your help and guidance for those that need the wisdom of your years of experience. I have learned so much from you...Bless you for being there/here.

[Buster Brown]

I am so sorry over the loss of your babies. Thankfully your sweet Jerzee survived.
I found this thread to be a very profound glimpse into the complex and sometimes heartbreaking world of breeding.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

I am so sorry over the loss of your babies. Thankfully your sweet Jerzee survived.
I found this thread to be a very profound glimpse into the complex and sometimes heartbreaking world of breeding.

I am not sure how profound it was; but it certainly contained many lessons for those who think breeding is just a laissez-faire part of life.

Let me elaborate:

1. Don't travel with a very pregnant bitch on Dec 30th, and stay in environments that are far less than ideal .... such as a MOTEL.

2. I never have hesitated if a bitch goes over one hour with unproductive labour; off to the vet we go! And yes some books say 2hrs, some 3hrs, but I will NOT risk my bitch's life. And let us not forget the travel time to the vet, and perhaps the wait time. Also the pre heat the car stage, the arrangements for newborn pups.

3. If you have had mutiple birth deaths, a necropsy might just save the life of the remaining pup or at least tell you if there is a high likelihood of internal organ damage, and this pup will simply not make it!

4. There is quite simply no such thing as being over prepared. You need to stock up on all the supplies you need well in advance, including a puppy whelping formulae. And hey don't forget about your family, they will need to eat too; so pre stock your freezer with home made dinners that your family can microwave, while you are in the whelping room. Also don't forget yourself. I do in the winter time anyway make up a few day supply of oatmeal, that I can qquickly heat up in microwave and add fruit and nuts too for a nutritous and sustaining breakfast. Homemade soups in the fridge/freezer for lunch etc.

5. Of course let us NOT FORGET the PRE BREEDING tests that should be done; particularly STD's. Brucellosis.

6. Elimination of newborns is very important to go 36 hours without is of high concern.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

We all loose babies when we breed. It happens sooner or later. The only recourse we have, is that we prepared ourselves for every eventuality that we could think of....must have every single instrument needed to help mom deliver if necessary....must have a vet on standby to do any necessary c-sections....must have incubators set up to keep orphaned babies warm and safe....must have every single ingredient required to prepare the life sustaining formulas for babies, right there on hand.....must have a thorough working knowledge of HOW TO TUBE FEED A PUPPY, this will pull babies back from the jaws of death at least 8 times out of 10.....have to be knowledgable about giving sub-q fluids to prevent dehydration in these little babies.....you must have the IV fluyids and the syringes and needles to do this......and you MUST be comfortable with good working knowledge required to perform emergent measures, and you must have the financial means to pay for procedures YOU can not do without a license in vet medicine.... with doing whatever it takes to help these struggling babies live. You MUST be able to recognize when the situation is beginning to go from bad to emergent, and you have to be able to kick it up from "0" to 150 mph in 2.2 seconds.....you have to realize that when you have a situation with a failure to thrive baby or an orphaned litter, this is a job that requires 24/7 attention...cant take time off for school or work or tea time with the Ladies Club......you have to realize you are in a fight with DEATH, trying to keep him away from your babies, and that means probably very little or no sleep for you....breeding is exhaustive, and heart breaking....and you must be more than willing and prepared to do WHATEVER it takes, for as long as it takes, to resolve the situation...prayerfully, with a wonderful outcome and all survive. I actually talked a lady thru trying to save her baby....she was over in Saudi Arabia, ....this lady sent friends and begged people all over the Middle East and Europe, to get the supplies I told her she needed....she had incorporated at least 3 other people to help her try to save this baby, working in shifts...she learned to give sub-q fluide and she learned tube feeding from my instructions to her over the internet....she tube fed her baby and was so nervous she was shaking, but she did it and she cried joyfully when she completed the procedure...that lady almost killed herself, and several vets that saw her determination and they pulled out all the stops to help her however they could, trying to save that baby's life, and she would have pulled it off except the baby had an intestinal malformation, so that little soul was destined to return to Heaven....but this girl left NO stone unturned, going all over Europe and the Middle East, gathering required supplies....I have NEVER seen such effort and complete devotion and iron willed determinarion to save her baby.....but this is what you do when you are responsible for bringing babies into this world. I am prayerful that ANYONE that is thinking about breeding and having babies, READ everything you can get your hands on about whelping a litter...get every single instrument you need and set your area up....get everything you MUST have to feed and supplement both momma and baby after the baby is born. This is NOT something that you can go into lighthearted and unprepared, all excited and wearing rose colored glasses.....it is gut wrenching and heart breaking and it often times does not turn out well for babies or momma....THIS is breeding....for God's sake do not go into it lightly and blinded by fairy tale endings....you MUST be prepared for the worst situation...and if it all goes well, congtatulations, you get the brass ring! I am sorry about the length of this post...but these things really do affect me badly, especially when I think a baby of mine may have died because I didnt have the knowledge or the supplies I should have had, JUST BECAUSE I CALL MYSELF A BREEDER.....and every single breeder that posted on this thread over the last few days, feels the very same way, I can promise you..

This should be required reading for anyone ever thinking about breeding!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

This should be required reading for anyone ever thinking about breeding!

and it just scratches the surface....this is not just ME....this is what makes the difference between a BYB, a puppy mill and a reputable, responsible, ethical breeder. We KNOW who the daddy is...we know his pedigree forward and backward...we know which dogs behind him throw big puppies, little puppies, cotton coats, silky coats, pissy personalities, adorable little snuggle bugs, and we kow where the instances of genetic disease are hiding, waiting to be paired up with the females pedigree.....we KNOW exactly when they were bred, how long they stayed tied....we know because we planned it...and we HELD the mated pair so one wouldnt hurt the other.....then we calculated the due date....we know how to estimate "wiggle room' before the due date and the after the due date. We know how many babies we are going to have, and we know if they are positioned correctly....we know if they will fit thru the pelvic ring....and if there is any question at all, we c-section momma BEFORE we get in over our heads and risk loosing momma as well as the entire litter. We have special rooms for our mommas and babies, and a week or so BEFORE the due date, our houses go on lock down...no people running all over the house tormenting or upsetting momma....she is isolated and she is kept calm and peaceful and warm....we have all our delivery equipment that we need, right at hand....we even have things that we MAY need and never use....rather have it and not need it, than not have it at all. We do not go away and leave momma with whoever will check in on her....MAYBE....every so often....and we do not load a pregnant dog up and remove her from her known environment where she feels safe and calm....our lives are essentially relagated to "homebound" during this time....because that is what we must do to give momma and babies the best chance at survival they can possibley have. This just scratches the surface of what we all do as dedicated, devoted breeders....then there is all the details following the birth of the litter....mommas must be monitored....babies must be monitored, minute by minute.....logs kept......and if anything changes, we MOVE....we move immediately....we do not wait.....we already have EVERYTHING we need to help this enfant....and we KNOW how to do the procedures needed to keep this baby alive.... People think there is nothing to this breeding stuff...it is natural, it is instinctive and dogs do it all the time all by thmselves...I can do this and make a little money....WRONG!!! You will NOT be making money, if you are doing this right.....you MAY break even, but most likely, it is going to cost you so much.....this is NOT fun and games.....this is heart breaking and gut wrenching....PLEASE spay and neuter your pets....dont make little innocent babies and willing, innocent and devoted mommas, pay with their lives, so your kids can see the miracle of birth or so you can sell a puppy for a few silver coins.