Well done! Some of you may have managed to drive off yet another potential member of YT. Bravo, you should all be so very pleased with yourselves!

You claim to be concerned about dogs but your actions would seem to indicate that all you want is to spout off like a bunch of school children with little regard for any consequences. If you were truly concerned about dogs then I would think you would want to create a place where new members can learn from those here willing to help. Instead you figure the best move is to drive people away, because that’s how “big girls” handle things right? Wow, that’s an amazing way to help dogs and show your concern. I know I’m certainly impressed and I’m sure the dogs belonging to all the owners that have been driven off in the past have greatly benefited from your actions and feel of your passion and concern for them.

There were comments on this thread about how there should be stricter animal welfare laws and that some people shouldn’t be allowed to have dogs. . . Being naive is not a crime and the OP spoke with a Vet. You can hardly fault her for misplacing her trust in her Vet’s advice since she apparently misplaced her trust in how she would be treated here too. You judge her because she didn’t take the advice of some of those who posted here? Why should she trust you over her Vet? What have you done to show that you are worthy of her trust and that your judgement is sound? Who are you to her other than a bunch of loud mouths who jumped all over her?

The OP opened the door for a relationship to be forged with members of YT, but because she did not handle things the way some figured she should they jumped all over her. The OP opened the door and some of you slammed it in her face and now you want to justify it? Give your heads a shake!

You cannot reasonably expect everyone to take your advice and you don't need to jump up and down and throw a temper tantrum and get ugly everytime someone doesn't take your advice and chooses another direction. The OP still has the right to make their own decision.

Yes this is a public board and as a member of the public I and others are telling you that you don’t speak for the rest of us and we don’t appreciate this school yard behaviour

imdll,

I feel that your comments are attacking to members here.

It goes both ways.

You might further your opinions here or agenda by explaining to new members how the ignore functions works...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...baby-sick.html

Pleased with ourselves? Why don't you take that judgemental tone and take a long hard look in the mirror?

So, according to you, we're supposed to have pitty on someone that drops their a dog 6 ft, slams into a hardwood floor, has some paralysis symptoms, doesn't take the dog to the vet, instead comes on a forum site, (because you know we can see the dog and his or her symptoms) and asks us what to do??

Really? You really want us to be kind, and/or sympathetic?

I'm sorry, but you can't fix stupid, and hoenstly many posters patience runs short with it. If you're looking for coddling or one of us to hold someone's hand through this, then maybe a PUBLIC INTERNET FORUM is the wrong place to go. People gave advice, and yet the OP still didn't take it, and then wodners why we are pissed? Once again, really??

If she's the type of person, like you, who want hearts, rainbows, happy and fluffy things, then maybe this is the wrong place for you, and for that I say good riddance. The last thing people who really care about pets need is for a someone to expect a hug to be given because they dropped a puppy, or smacks their dog with a newspaper, or leaves a pup in a cage for hours on end, or whatever else these similar troll posts seem to have.

Have a good night, and do us a favor. If you have a thought, let it go.

I think it is very interesting that people who are new members get so defensive and call out YT members for being 'rude" "insensitive" or "mean" Seasoned members are not the ones who have a difficult time with posts , why is that?
Anyway, I am still concerned for Chipper. The bad thing is you do not know if he sufferent internal injuries or a concussion . Common sense is clearly lacking here , Who doesn't rush their puppy to the vet after a 6ft fall on a hard surface? you cannot tell just by looking at the eyes .. I really do not understand the thinking? I hope Chipper does not suffer any long term damage. the way he landed and was not moving are clear indicaters that he is hurt , and needs Prompt vet care. It is tragic enough to know what happened to him, it is pure negligence not to get him any medical treatment. yOu cannot "play it by ear" "or hope for the best" in these situations" To me this was a emergency , and not to be taken lightly.

For me okay he fell it was an accident-they happen no ones fault that's why they call them accidents.

The link I added above shows a new poster who got help. Notice they keep posting and will probably be around for a while. Notice there was no 'drama' on that thread.

It's the paralysis...etc etc etc.
Honestly I personally doubt a vet was consulted, I beleive it was a comment to pacify.

Amen! A teachable moment should be met with civility,common politeness. Although this is a place for public comment,this does not mean it is a place to choose your word in a careless way and yes there are those of us that have gotten tired of it. This does not mean that I or anyone else should go away. It does mean that nomatter what great advice some members may give I find myself just skipping over their comments. It is sad because there could be something valuable to learn,yet they speak in such a harsh manner that I will turn away from it. Kinda sad

Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Good for you................I'm sure we all love our little ones...........let's just offer our support and suggestions (not judgements). I know when I have posted on here in the past I have been looking for support, comfort and guidence..........but after reading some of these posts.....I'm not sure I would come back on again. I would have been very humiliated and that is just sad!!!!

Goes both ways, kiddo. Many of us don't appreciate the "if you don't post in the manner I like, I'm going to call you names" behavior, either. You don't get to tell others how they may or may not respond to a poster. If you don't like the way any of us respond, please feel free to scroll on over to the ignore feature. The favor will be gladly returned. Personally, I'm headed over there right now.

ETA: Much better...

I have had several "seasoned" members discuss with me how frustrated they are with how often people get attacked around here, paticularly new members who don't do as some have advised them to do. I'm going to guess they grew weary of banging their heads against the same walls.

The description that this sort of thing happened when someone else was a new member and they learned from the experience. . . . Are you kidding me? This sort of repeated behavior smacks of emotional abuse. It's like some people here are trying to tune others into the way things work around here. . . EXCUSE ME?! Can you see at all how that comes across? Maybe it should indicate something that newer members take exception to this sort of thing occuring. Should one really become desensitized and used to it?

What I have been trying to say is if this is a place for people to learn from one another then it's pretty much impossible if we drive people away by jumping all over them when they don't do what we think they should. If we truly care about dogs then teaching someone what we know would be helpful wouldn't it? We can't teach someone who isn't here anymore or who won't listen to us because of how we have treated them. Why would they see anything that we say as having value if we haven't treated them with any value? People are not automatically going to trust us. Trust is earned.

This is not the first time I have watched someone get jumped all over for not taking advice from other members of YT. I may be a relatively new member but I lurked plenty before I came here and I wasn't born yesterday.

Some of you say that people shouldn't be offended by the things you post and yet you will justify becoming offended yourselves because an OP didn't take your advice or handled something in a way you personally don't agree with. That's pretty darned hypocritical. If it's ok for you then it's ok for everyone else too.

How do you suppose it comes across if you give advice but then throw a fit when it's not taken? What kind of message do you suppose that sends? As I said before, the OP any OP has the right to make their own decisions. We can give advice but we don't have to freak out every time somebody doesn't do what we want them to do. This way of handling things is not benificial to anyone and if anything it actually damages this board because we loose members who could benifit from being a part of YT.

I know that we lost a lady from here a little bit ago from this same sort of attacking behavior. She wrote me before she stopped coming here. I personally wouldn't blame this current OP if she never came back or if she did, took on a different name.

I really don't see this as being what the original creator of YT had in mind when this board was put together and I think it's sad.

This has been a particularly painful thread--
 

I think the more experienced members whose replies would have been temperate chose not to get involved. Perhaps they did as I did and offerred support via PM. I've seen many good people get chased off this board over the years. This is the only one I ever visit, but I suspect they're all the same.

I hope Brutus is ok. I haven't been on YT for a while, but wanted to support your statement regarding the emergency vet info. I have had our number in my cell contacts for sometime and had to use it Saturday evening for one of the truest emergencies I have had in 25 years of Yorkie Love. The vet team was waiting at the front door when I pulled in. Thankfully my critcally injured Yorkie is making a good recovery.

After reading some of the comments regarding the falling puppy and the owners actions, I hope the owner comes and reads more of the post. Any of us who have raised these little creatures (25 years) have had our share of I can't believe that happened moments. To Brutus's mama, please know that his immediate reaction was a warning that something neurological happened. His improvement so quickly was certainly a good sign, but warranted a vet check. I am glad you took him. Again, I hope he is ok.

Sincerely.

For crying out loud, I got lost in the thread....the comments I made are meant for Chippersmom...and Chipper. I hope both Brutus and Chipper are doing well!!!!!

Glad he is ok. Friendly advice, although you aren't a football player, keep these little buggers tucked into your body while your holding them. I think the have a cat gene hidden somewhere in their sequence...:)

people dont get offended when people on here dont take their advice, sometimes they just get frustrated because it is just common sense. Like when a pup has been droped 6 ft maybe a vet visit is needed

Common sense is a combination of knowledge and experience and isn't nearly as common as the title would lead one to believe. Common sense could also be used when dealing with people who are here talking about a stressful event and who may not have the same knowledge and experience as we have.

I have watched on several occasions when some members of YT have gotten offended, or whatever description one would like to use, because a newcomer didn’t take advice given or did something that some members didn’t agree with. I have also watched while people were “chased off” just like what magicgenie says she has seen over the years she has been here. Frustrated or offended it doesn’t give anyone the right to treat people the way I and others have seen people treated by some members here.

Anytime someone tries to confront the antagonistic attacks on another member they in turn find themselves under similar condemnation. Some of what goes on is very similar to bullying tactics and I am not the only one who finds it offensive.

It’s not just a matter of differences of opinion it is about not caring about the consequences of what is said nor how driving people away affects YT or the dogs we all say we care about. If someone genuinely cares about the dogs involved in a given situation how does driving their owner away show that to be actually true?

The if you can’t take it then lump it mentality, or if you don’t like it hit the ignore button does not benefit the YT environment and seems to be rather one sided because when the tables get turned those who supposedly aren’t offended by the new member not taking their advice and who went on the attack are awfully quick to defend themselves even if their names aren’t mentioned. Kind of a they can dish it out but aren’t interested in their own medicine sort of scenario.

If we take the focus off ourselves and put it on what would genuinely benefit the dog or dogs we are concerned about, I suspect some of us might handle these sorts of situations differently.

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Its all a matter of opinion and there are many on here with different posting styles

I second that Bravo.
 

Thanks for another great post. You are not alone. I second the bravo.

Wow, I'm not here to argue but would just like to point out that the OP left a long time ago & I'm guessing will most likely not return. Soooo my question is , Did we help the owner or most importantly the Pup ? Probably not. If someone intimidates you, or just makes you feel plain stupid, do you go back for more ? usually not. I personally could not care less how smart or not a person is as my main concern is the animal. Your pets are like children as far as how smart they are & can only be as smart as we teach them to be. Some people just don't get the teaching as children . I for one fully believe that it's never too late to learn new things & I believe for the most part , that's why most people join a forum such as YT. Now, if they are scared away have they learned anything & are they or their pup better off ? I believe no. Maybe before posting instead of doing it in the heat of the moment, if we post as though your trying to teach someone something they know nothing about as though your training someone for a new job or as a Teacher teaches their students, both the owner & the pup would be a whole lot better off.
Also , did ya'll know that there is now a 0 tolerance for Bullying in the school system in most states ? There is a very good reason for this as bullying only teaches hatred.

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I hope the pup is still alive...maybe OP did take it into the vet and it's being treated for an injury, maybe that's why they aren't posting.

Praying you are rite.

The people who you say are driving people off could also say you are encouraging irresponsible dog ownership. I am an advocate for the dogs not the owners. The dogs cant speak for themselves.

I dont think that kindness in teaching advocates irresponsiblilty in any way and running people off through rudness and bullying wont help the dogs either. Because then noone will get a chance to speak for them. Their owners wont be here to help and gain knowledge.

There is NO justification for rudeness and bullying.

Again its a matter of opinion because what one person may see as rudeness another may see as bluntness. I dont know I dont see admin or mods trying to change anyones posting style I dont know why anyone else would think they have that authority

Everyone missed out on the learning here--
 

There were some interesting things to learn from the OP's experience and those of other EXPERIENCED members of this board who chose not to post because it simply is not worth our time and trouble.
Carry on with your bickering and dire predictions pulled right out of overactive imaginations. The OP and the puppy have long ago forgotten all about you and the incident and gone on with their lives.

What was there to learn that a pup was dropped 6 ft. showed paralysis symptoms and the op didnt take him to the vet and the candy coated posts encouraging her to do so didnt motivate her to do it.

Evidently what there is to learn is that we are only supposed to say the following (lest someone's panties get in a wad):

Excuse me, your puppy may be hurt. Could you pretty please with sugar on top take them in to the vet to make sure they aren't dying? No? Oh ok, thanks any way. No, no, really that's ok. We understand that you don't want to spend the time or money or drive that far. We TOTALLY get that you think the internet is a much better diagnostician than a vet that trained for many years. By the way, Kudos to you for breeding a 3 pound female to a 9 pound mixed breed dog you found on the side of the road. So sorry that one of the pups got stuck and you lost your little girl. I could have sworn that that youtube video would have walked you through the whelping process better. Better luck next time. I completely support breeding because you want to do it. Who needs breed standards when genetics roulette is so much fun?!

As the church lady would say. "Isn't that special?":rolleyes:

Bullying-is what the polite police here are doing. IMHO

Rudeness-is the never-ending opinions on the posting content and style of others ...their personality, style, etc.

You can't control eveyone around you accept it and more on.

Seriously shoo...:wavey:...just kidding! :sidesplt:

I don't like what you have to say either-well on this thread topic/subject but we're both going to be here and say it, obviously if you didn't leave than the OP doesn't have any reason to not come back that's not self implied.

I had my tushie handed to me after my first post on here-I still feel at no fault of my own-:rolleyes:- so I as others have termed it put my big girl panties on and started reading more (as in learning).