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04-09-2011, 05:41 PM | #1 |
♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US
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| Max seizures or anxiety? This behavior started last weekend when I took Max to a dog festival...we were walking ( he was on a lead) when out of the blue he became frantic, yelping like he was hurt, trembling, and trying to run back to the car. He can be anxious at times, so I took him to a secluded area where he calmed down and then for the remainder of the day he was fine in the stroller with Lily. Later that day, I was going on a bike ride when he started acting like that again, except this time he lost control of his bladder. I thought he was anxious about me leaving, so I took him on the bike ride with me and that was the end of that. Now today, he was resting on the couch when again out of the blue he starts yelping and running around frantically, losing control of his bladder and bowel. He ran upstairs to my daughter's room knocking things over in the process and couldn't get in the corner fast enough. When he calmed down, I carried him back downstairs where he did it again immediately and ran back upstairs. I don't think he's in pain, he's been eating, peeing & pooing normally. He's done it 2 additional times..making it a total of 4 times today. I'm very worried although he seems ok now. He's sleeping.... Anyone experience this?
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04-09-2011, 05:50 PM | #2 |
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| If he was running, it most likely wasn't a seizure. It sounds like something scared him really bad. Are there any new noises in or around your house? I hope he gets better. |
04-09-2011, 05:57 PM | #3 |
♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US
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| Nothing new at all...I've been looking around and found that some dogs in the pre-ictal phase of a seizure experience this. What concerns me in the loss of both bladder and bowel control while this is happening
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04-09-2011, 05:58 PM | #4 |
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| Seizures can present as inappropriate mental behavior (like running around as you described) and can be accompanied by vocalizations as well as loss of bladder/bowel control. I think if this happened four times and it were my dog, I'd be at a vet. If these are seizures, four times in one day is not good and can be indicative of a real problem such as poisoning, idiopathic seizures or epilepsy, or something metabolic like shunt. Best to check this out ASAP with a vet, I don't like the sound of it AT ALL.
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04-09-2011, 06:08 PM | #5 |
♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US
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| I would be at the ER if I suspected poisoning, but what about seizures or shunt? Should I be at the ER?
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04-09-2011, 06:20 PM | #6 | |
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Poisonings can cause seizures is what I meant. Other things can also causes seizures like diseases such as shunt, lesions in the brain, or simply epilepsy. Seizures can break into cluster seizures when untreated that is why dogs with seizure disorders like my Teddy are medicated 24 hours a day. If this were my dog, I would be at the vet, and yes I would be at the ER vet. I would want to talk to a vet now, but that is my comfort level, so you have to do what is right for you. Running around mentally inappropriate bumping into things frantically as you describe, and loss of bowel and bladder, 4 times in one day in my mind = seizure = vet now. That's me, but better safe than sorry.
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04-09-2011, 06:26 PM | #7 | |
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04-09-2011, 06:35 PM | #8 |
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04-09-2011, 06:45 PM | #9 |
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| I'm sorry Max is having these problems. I agree that he needs to be seen by a vet asap. I hope they can find the problem and help him.
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04-09-2011, 06:48 PM | #10 |
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| Didn't your pups fall out of the stroller one day? If so, this could be a head injury. They can sneak up on you. I personally would be at a vet getting him checked out. Good luck!
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04-09-2011, 06:53 PM | #11 |
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| I just looked at your old posts and don't see it...must have been someone else. Irregardless, it sounds like Max needs to be seen. I will say a prayer for him.
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04-09-2011, 11:35 PM | #12 |
♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US
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| Your're right but I don't believe he hit his head. I do recall back in November we went to a doggie meetup that he acted strange like this. He started yelping and wanted to run to the car. I just chalked it up to him getting spooked because it didn't happen again since. Which doesn't add up with the stroller event because that happened in Jan I believe...
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04-09-2011, 11:37 PM | #13 |
♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US
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| Thank you everyone for your prayers and advice. Please keep praying for my boy. I am beside myself and scared.... Max is spending the night at the A.H. He had a seizure while the vet was in the room which makes a total of 6 today. He was sedated with valium, given phenobarb and propofol. She had hoped that it would sedate him but he was fighting it. Labs were drawn, electrolytes, CBC and liver enzymes were normal except for K+ was 0.2 pts low and his lipase was elevated 4x the norm probably from him digestive enzymes that I used for his IBD (I will stop that). She does not think the lipase is related to the seizures. He has IVF now with 20mEq of K+. He had his loading dose of phenobarb and if he does not have anymore seizures tonight, they will start phenobarb by mouth tomorrow. He might be able to come home later tomorrow, if not then Monday. She suggested doing BATs at my regular vet, since the labs she drew were normal (they didn't have the capability to run them there). Liver shunt can't be ruled out yet.
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04-10-2011, 12:05 AM | #14 |
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| I am so sorry about Max, Shelby's had a few seizures this last year, complications of her AAI post surgery. Will be rooting for Max to respond well with all meds on board, and keeping him in my prayers. Hope he gets to come home asap.
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04-10-2011, 12:12 AM | #15 |
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| Thank you..I appreciate it.
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