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orlnurse · 04-10-2011, 09:20 AM

Just got back from seeing Max. He seemed to be in good spirits. He was happy to see us. He's still getting IVF for hydration. The phenobarb was started @ midnight; it was a loading dose which the vet explained was a high dose. He started pills today at noon. No more valium, that was given last night to help him settle after the seizure. He ate some of his food, I hope he keeps it down.

The next step is to do a BAT tomorrow before the phenobarb can affect the levels. I asked the vet about the liver shunt. He said that yes, he is too old for the congenital form, but he can have the acquired type..MVD? I will ask for a referral to the neurologist.

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I'm going to try to nap.

AllDogBoots · 04-10-2011, 09:23 AM

You are doing great with caring for him. You are taking all the right steps. I think the hardest part is not knowing a diagnosis. Hang in there. We are all here for you.

BaxtersMommy · 04-10-2011, 10:19 AM

Lesley,

I was so happy to hear he was in good spirits today. Continuing prayers for little Max.

Dana

roseslevi · 04-10-2011, 11:01 AM

Sending prayers and well wishes.

107barney · 04-10-2011, 12:21 PM

So glad Max was happy to see you and that he is becoming stable.
I still doubt liver shunt, but good to do BATs. I did not suspect shunt at all in my Teddy but we did the BATs first also. The neurologist will have wanted all other causes to be ruled out first. I am praying Max just has epilepsy.

As an aside, I am pretty sure that the use of valium and derivatives of diazepam in dogs with liver shunt and/or MVD can cause elevations of BATs as these dogs have trouble metabolizing this class of drugs. The fact that he had valium might throw off the BAT - I would ask about this to make sure that the BAT test will be reliable when conducted.

orlnurse · 04-10-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by manolos mom

I am so sorry. This sounds so much like Manolo. We had our vet do a BAT test and it came back slightly high. Then we did a urinalysis to check for any crystals. Came back neg. Next we went to a Radiologist and he suggested scintigraphy,Portal Scintigraphy in Veterinary Medicine, came back negative for Portal Shunt. While Manolo was under they did a clear cut biopsy and sent this to A&M labs and finally got a diagnosis of MVD. We control his protein levels, no more than 16% plus we supplement with white fish and sweet potato and others. HEPATIC LS | Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Manolo is doing fantastic. Please keep us updated..Lissette

How old was Manolo when he was diagnosed?

orlnurse · 04-10-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 107barney

So glad Max was happy to see you and that he is becoming stable.
I still doubt liver shunt, but good to do BATs. I did not suspect shunt at all in my Teddy but we did the BATs first also. The neurologist will have wanted all other causes to be ruled out first. I am praying Max just has epilepsy.

As an aside, I am pretty sure that the use of valium and derivatives of diazepam in dogs with liver shunt and/or MVD can cause elevations of BATs as these dogs have trouble metabolizing this class of drugs. The fact that he had valium might throw off the BAT - I would ask about this to make sure that the BAT test will be reliable when conducted.

Ok, I'll add this question to my list.

Cathy, you have been a tremendous help. Thank you

orlnurse · 04-10-2011, 06:26 PM

UPDATE:

I went to visit Max at 5pm and stayed about an hour. I got him to eat and drink....he was doing very well. Still in good spirits. Not long after I left, the nightshift vet that admitted him last night called after doing her rounds and said that she thought Max should go home. I could hear him whining and crying in the background; she said that she would prefer that he be at home resting where he wouldn't be so anxious and his brain activity needs to be at a low right now. She thought that he would be better off if he was comfortable and resting. I expressed my concern about the chances of a seizure occurring tonight. She explained that because he got a "higher" loading dose IV, that his levels should be ok and that the chances of that happening were slim. She sent us home with a dose of Valium just in case he has an episode tonight. He is sleeping in his favorite spot at the moment. I notice that he is a bit wobbly on his feet though.

I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out what the hec happened. The events in the past I thought were anxiety or at least behavior brought on my anxiety. Dog park, dog festival last week, etc. What was different about yesterday...he was sleeping when they started. I bought CET chews because I heard they were so good..I look at the ingredients and there its plainly says ROSEMARY extract! I gave him one about 1 hour prior to the first seizure. I'm not suggesting that they caused his seizures because he had them prior to yesterday, but I believe he was prone to seizures and the chew just triggered the clusters yesterday.

Thank you everyone for all of the prayers and well wishes. Keep them coming....

YorkichonBella · 04-10-2011, 06:41 PM

My Prayers will continue for Max. I know it must be so hard to not know where this is all coming from. I was so touched that the night vet felt Max would be best to stay at his loving home to comfort him. I hope & pray that he has a restful night with you & that you both get some much needed rest. My thoughts are with you.

yorkieusa · 04-10-2011, 07:18 PM

I'm so glad he is home with you now. He'll be happy and calm there. I wish I could help you, but I can't. Please know that I'm thinking of you and Max and sending you my very best wishes.

orlnurse · 04-10-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella

My Prayers will continue for Max. I know it must be so hard to not know where this is all coming from. I was so touched that the night vet felt Max would be best to stay at his loving home to comfort him. I hope & pray that he has a restful night with you & that you both get some much needed rest. My thoughts are with you.

Thanks...BTW, I'm not sure if I told you already, Lily got her dress and it fits!

ladyjane · 04-10-2011, 07:34 PM

Prayers for Max. I have a feeling that while he may have a restful night, his mom may not. It is always so worrisome when they are ill.

orlnurse · 04-11-2011, 03:28 AM

He did well through the night. I kept waking up to check on him though. I"m waiting for the vet's office to open now

yorkietalkjilly · 04-11-2011, 03:47 AM

Hope Max is doing better today and will be checking for an update. I know you know YT'ers are praying for Max and that there are some answers and hope out there for him. Try not to worry so. Thinking of you and Max...........

yorkieusa · 04-11-2011, 04:13 AM

I'm glad he slept well last night. I knew you wouldn't sleep. I hope today goes well.

04-10-2011, 09:20 AM	#31
orlnurse ♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US Posts: 2,186	Just got back from seeing Max. He seemed to be in good spirits. He was happy to see us. He's still getting IVF for hydration. The phenobarb was started @ midnight; it was a loading dose which the vet explained was a high dose. He started pills today at noon. No more valium, that was given last night to help him settle after the seizure. He ate some of his food, I hope he keeps it down. The next step is to do a BAT tomorrow before the phenobarb can affect the levels. I asked the vet about the liver shunt. He said that yes, he is too old for the congenital form, but he can have the acquired type..MVD? I will ask for a referral to the neurologist. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. I'm going to try to nap. __________________ My little dog - a heartbeat at my feet. ~Edith Wharton Lesley, Maximilian & Lily Rae

04-10-2011, 09:23 AM	#32
AllDogBoots Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Delray Beach, FL Posts: 7,984	You are doing great with caring for him. You are taking all the right steps. I think the hardest part is not knowing a diagnosis. Hang in there. We are all here for you. __________________ I'm Karen - Devoted Mama to the Drama Boyz - Cooper & Max www.alldogboots.com

04-10-2011, 11:01 AM	#34
roseslevi Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: E. Falmouth, Mass Posts: 2,102	Sending prayers and well wishes. __________________ Rosemarie, Levi and Lily "The purity of a person's heart can be quickly measured by how they regard animals" ~ Anonymous

04-10-2011, 12:21 PM	#35
107barney T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England Posts: 9,816	So glad Max was happy to see you and that he is becoming stable. I still doubt liver shunt, but good to do BATs. I did not suspect shunt at all in my Teddy but we did the BATs first also. The neurologist will have wanted all other causes to be ruled out first. I am praying Max just has epilepsy. As an aside, I am pretty sure that the use of valium and derivatives of diazepam in dogs with liver shunt and/or MVD can cause elevations of BATs as these dogs have trouble metabolizing this class of drugs. The fact that he had valium might throw off the BAT - I would ask about this to make sure that the BAT test will be reliable when conducted. __________________ T. Bumpkins & Co. Washable Doggie Pee Pads (Save 10% Enter YTSAVE10 at checkout) Cathy, Teddy, Winston and Baby Clyde...RIP angels Barney and Daisy

04-10-2011, 06:26 PM	#38
orlnurse ♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US Posts: 2,186	UPDATE: I went to visit Max at 5pm and stayed about an hour. I got him to eat and drink....he was doing very well. Still in good spirits. Not long after I left, the nightshift vet that admitted him last night called after doing her rounds and said that she thought Max should go home. I could hear him whining and crying in the background; she said that she would prefer that he be at home resting where he wouldn't be so anxious and his brain activity needs to be at a low right now. She thought that he would be better off if he was comfortable and resting. I expressed my concern about the chances of a seizure occurring tonight. She explained that because he got a "higher" loading dose IV, that his levels should be ok and that the chances of that happening were slim. She sent us home with a dose of Valium just in case he has an episode tonight. He is sleeping in his favorite spot at the moment. I notice that he is a bit wobbly on his feet though. I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out what the hec happened. The events in the past I thought were anxiety or at least behavior brought on my anxiety. Dog park, dog festival last week, etc. What was different about yesterday...he was sleeping when they started. I bought CET chews because I heard they were so good..I look at the ingredients and there its plainly says ROSEMARY extract! I gave him one about 1 hour prior to the first seizure. I'm not suggesting that they caused his seizures because he had them prior to yesterday, but I believe he was prone to seizures and the chew just triggered the clusters yesterday. Thank you everyone for all of the prayers and well wishes. Keep them coming.... __________________ My little dog - a heartbeat at my feet. ~Edith Wharton Lesley, Maximilian & Lily Rae

04-10-2011, 10:19 AM	#33
BaxtersMommy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,362 Blog Entries: 1	Lesley, I was so happy to hear he was in good spirits today. Continuing prayers for little Max. Dana

04-10-2011, 06:41 PM	#39
YorkichonBella My little Shadow Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NC Posts: 4,132 Blog Entries: 2	My Prayers will continue for Max. I know it must be so hard to not know where this is all coming from. I was so touched that the night vet felt Max would be best to stay at his loving home to comfort him. I hope & pray that he has a restful night with you & that you both get some much needed rest. My thoughts are with you. __________________ Bella Ganma-ma to ColeRIPNoahRIP

04-10-2011, 07:18 PM	#40
yorkieusa Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 21,173	I'm so glad he is home with you now. He'll be happy and calm there. I wish I could help you, but I can't. Please know that I'm thinking of you and Max and sending you my very best wishes. __________________ Karen Kacee Muffin 1991-2005 Rest in Peace My Little Angel

04-10-2011, 07:34 PM	#42
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	Prayers for Max. I have a feeling that while he may have a restful night, his mom may not. It is always so worrisome when they are ill. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

04-11-2011, 03:28 AM	#43
orlnurse ♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US Posts: 2,186	He did well through the night. I kept waking up to check on him though. I"m waiting for the vet's office to open now __________________ My little dog - a heartbeat at my feet. ~Edith Wharton Lesley, Maximilian & Lily Rae

04-11-2011, 03:47 AM	#44
yorkietalkjilly ♥ Love My Tibbe! ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: D/FW, Texas Posts: 22,140	Hope Max is doing better today and will be checking for an update. I know you know YT'ers are praying for Max and that there are some answers and hope out there for him. Try not to worry so. Thinking of you and Max........... __________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis

04-11-2011, 04:13 AM	#45
yorkieusa Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 21,173	I'm glad he slept well last night. I knew you wouldn't sleep. I hope today goes well. __________________ Karen Kacee Muffin 1991-2005 Rest in Peace My Little Angel