Does liver shunt always have symptons - YorkieTalk.com Forums

wiggles moma · 03-23-2011, 06:24 PM

Our 2 pound 3 year old female yorkie has had a severe seizure it was bad. Since that time she spent 2 days in hospital tested all blood work was within normal ranges. Our vet says he cant get a normal reading untill she is seizure free for 10 days. So we will schedule in two weeks, for a bile acid test. We do not belive it is liver shunt because she has none of the symptoms that we have seen our vet said today that it may be she is a true epileptic. If anyone has had anything like this happen, please help

kjc · 03-23-2011, 06:43 PM

Hi and Welcome to YT!

Many pups and dogs with Liver Shunt don't show any signs, some may show one or two symptoms, some many.. and it can come on at any age. I'm sure that helped alot...

wiggles moma · 03-23-2011, 06:58 PM

Thank you still praying she doent have it. This has been the saddest last few days of our lives.

my2boyz · 03-23-2011, 07:03 PM

Allergies can also cause seizures...along with lots of chemical house hold cleaners.

Good luck...I hope your baby is o.k.

EsmeeKimme · 03-23-2011, 07:08 PM

All I can offer are warm thoughts and wishes that your sweet baby is healthy and home soon. I am so sorry she is sick

kjc · 03-23-2011, 07:11 PM

Has she ever had any abdominal xrays done? Dogs with LS usually have a smaller than normal sized liver. As Xrays aren't too expensive, maybe see if your vet could do one while waiting for the BAT. With a 2 pound dog, it would end up being a full body xray anyway and the vet could also rule out anything else that would be really obvious on the xray....

Many times dogs with LS can have frequent Urinary Tract Infections... and may tend to have other symptoms within 30 minutes of eating a meal. They can show slow growth rates from a puppy, have a poor coat, and tend to be skinny and hard to put weight on bc many can be picky eaters. Some tend to be very hyperactive, others can be quiet to the point of being lethargic.

kjc · 03-23-2011, 07:57 PM

Your other thread stated that she continued to have seizures even with the meds so this makes me think more towards LS... Lactulose can stop seizures in LS dogs. I copied these posts from your first thread...

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Originally Posted by wiggles moma

Our baby may have liver shunt, it may be epilepsy. Atleast those are the only 2 things they say it can be. Has anyone had these symptoms? 4 nights ago, our 2 pound yorkie had a seizure, very bad one. Since then over the next 3 days even while in hospital for 2 days had continued having them often even on meds. she also has no other symptoms of liver shunt. However now today she is back to normal but she is still on valium and prednesone. If anyone has had this problem please let me know. Pray for epilepsy.

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Originally Posted by kjc

If the seizures are bc of Liver Shunt, Lactulose will help clear the toxins quickly from her system, and stop the seizures quicker than valium. Ask your vet about it, as it is prescription medication.

In a dog that is seizing due to toxins from LS, Lactulose can be administered rectally in an enema. The instructions are on the label. The worst side effect from Lactulose is diarrhea, and if your dog does not have LS, the Lactulose won't hurt her.

Also, prednisone can cause inaccurate results in a BAT (Bile Acid Test).

wiggles moma · 03-24-2011, 02:31 PM

She had another small seizure this morning, at least we think that is what it was. She was wobbly and couldnt walk right after her meds. Maybe it was just she was a little drunk from the meds. Cant seem to get the vet to help at all. Is it normal to wait 10 days to test the bile acid? He says she has to be normal before testing or the results wont be accurate. I am ready to switch vets. Not sure what to do. Thank you all for your prayers she is a rescue dog that no one wanted because she is crippled I will try and post her picture later. But thank you all for your prayers,

107barney · 03-24-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wiggles moma

She had another small seizure this morning, at least we think that is what it was. She was wobbly and couldnt walk right after her meds. Maybe it was just she was a little drunk from the meds. Cant seem to get the vet to help at all. Is it normal to wait 10 days to test the bile acid? He says she has to be normal before testing or the results wont be accurate. I am ready to switch vets. Not sure what to do. Thank you all for your prayers she is a rescue dog that no one wanted because she is crippled I will try and post her picture later. But thank you all for your prayers,

I'd be at a board certified internal medicine veterinarian personally. I am so sorry she is going through so much. I am not sure about waiting the 10 days for bile acids, but it may be because of the medicines used for the seizures and their impact on liver functioning.

03-23-2011, 06:24 PM	#1
wiggles moma Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: cobden, il usa Posts: 14	Does liver shunt always have symptons Our 2 pound 3 year old female yorkie has had a severe seizure it was bad. Since that time she spent 2 days in hospital tested all blood work was within normal ranges. Our vet says he cant get a normal reading untill she is seizure free for 10 days. So we will schedule in two weeks, for a bile acid test. We do not belive it is liver shunt because she has none of the symptoms that we have seen our vet said today that it may be she is a true epileptic. If anyone has had anything like this happen, please help

03-23-2011, 06:43 PM	#2
kjc I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 18,872	Hi and Welcome to YT! Many pups and dogs with Liver Shunt don't show any signs, some may show one or two symptoms, some many.. and it can come on at any age. I'm sure that helped alot... __________________ Kat Chloe Lizzy PeekABooTinkerbell SapphireInfinity

03-23-2011, 07:08 PM	#5
EsmeeKimme Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Rocky Mount, VA Posts: 229	All I can offer are warm thoughts and wishes that your sweet baby is healthy and home soon. I am so sorry she is sick __________________ Mommy to 3 human kids, 1 hedgehog, 1 spoiled cat and Riley

03-23-2011, 07:11 PM	#6
kjc I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny Donating Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 18,872	Has she ever had any abdominal xrays done? Dogs with LS usually have a smaller than normal sized liver. As Xrays aren't too expensive, maybe see if your vet could do one while waiting for the BAT. With a 2 pound dog, it would end up being a full body xray anyway and the vet could also rule out anything else that would be really obvious on the xray.... Many times dogs with LS can have frequent Urinary Tract Infections... and may tend to have other symptoms within 30 minutes of eating a meal. They can show slow growth rates from a puppy, have a poor coat, and tend to be skinny and hard to put weight on bc many can be picky eaters. Some tend to be very hyperactive, others can be quiet to the point of being lethargic. __________________ Kat Chloe Lizzy PeekABooTinkerbell SapphireInfinity

03-23-2011, 06:58 PM	#3
wiggles moma Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: cobden, il usa Posts: 14	Thank you still praying she doent have it. This has been the saddest last few days of our lives.

03-23-2011, 07:03 PM	#4
my2boyz Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my house :) Posts: 5,219	Allergies can also cause seizures...along with lots of chemical house hold cleaners. Good luck...I hope your baby is o.k.

03-24-2011, 02:31 PM	#8
wiggles moma Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: cobden, il usa Posts: 14	She had another small seizure this morning, at least we think that is what it was. She was wobbly and couldnt walk right after her meds. Maybe it was just she was a little drunk from the meds. Cant seem to get the vet to help at all. Is it normal to wait 10 days to test the bile acid? He says she has to be normal before testing or the results wont be accurate. I am ready to switch vets. Not sure what to do. Thank you all for your prayers she is a rescue dog that no one wanted because she is crippled I will try and post her picture later. But thank you all for your prayers,