16 week puppy ate a pill...

[kjc]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

My vet is very current and is always doing continuing education. She does NOT recommend Lepto, flu or the dental vaccines!

One last point... It's not the vets that are money hungry... it's the pharmaceutical companies. All the vets do is offer it to us, as consumers. Since the law changed just in Maryland from 1 to 3 years on most vaccines, they basically lost 2/3 of their profits on vaccines alone. That's probably why they started to develope vaccines for everything... and when the H1N1 flu hit, they sure jumped on that bandwagon quick!

I had never heard of a dog getting the flu before that year.. and then I only heard of 2 in New York I think it was, that supposedly died from it. And as scared as they have people about the flu, not to minimize the severity of it at all as it can be very serious, I just think someone thought to market a flu vac for dogs, just to generate more income, knowing the fears people have about the flu to begin with.

When I'm sick, I don't let my dogs lick my face or hands, and I wash my hands almost constantly and use rubber exam gloves whenever I do eyes or teeth or butts, which usually wait till I'm feeling better anyway unless they can't see, chew or poop!

If I hear of something going around that is affecting the dog population in my area, I stop taking them to places where other dogs frequent until things blow over. They are fine with staying in their yard for a week or two. Or just riding around in the car!

Wow, am I slow or what! This only took me a few years to figure out!

[MicheleT]

This is very good information from Dr. Jean Dodds relayed to me from the director of a Yorkie Rescue agency. It has helped me immensely

So that you'll understand the importance of a recommendation from Dr. Dodds, she is not only a world-renowned veterinarian, she is also an immunologist. All 27 veterinary schools in the USA now teach & endorse her vaccine protocols. They are no longer advocating yearly vaccines for cats & dogs. She has presented vaccine information to Congress. Below is the latest vaccine recommendations from Dr. Dodds. Please note, there are vaccines that she recommends NOT be given to the animals. She & other holistic vets advise that 1/2 the normal dose be given to small animals. This is the dose we use when we must vaccinate our rescued small dogs. We also only give distemper, parvo & rabies....each done separately & at least 4 weeks apart.

Dr. W. Jean Dodds' Latest Recommendation Vaccination Schedule 2009 - Sunday, June 14, 2009 at 7:20am

Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs


DISTEMPER (MLV)
Initial (e.g. Intervet Progard Puppy) 9 weeks, 12 weeks, 16 - 20 weeks
1st Annual Booster At 1 year MLV Distemper/ Parvovirus only
Re-Administration Interval None needed.
Duration of immunity 7.5 / 15 years by studies. Probably lifetime. Longer studies pending.
Comments Can have numerous side effects if given too young (< 8 weeks).

PARVOVIRUS (MLV)
Initial (e.g. Intervet Progard Puppy) 9 weeks, 12 weeks, 16 - 20 weeks
1st Annual Booster At 1 year MLV Distemper/ Parvovirus only
Re-Administration Interval None needed.
Duration of immunity 7.5 years by studies. Probably lifetime. Longer studies pending.
Comments At 6 weeks of age, only 30% of puppies are protected but 100% are exposed to the virus at the vet clinic.

RABIES (killed)
Initial 24 weeks or older
1st Annual BoosterAt 1 year (give 3-4 weeks apart from Dist/Parvo booster) Killed 3 year rabies vaccine
Re-Administration Interval 3 yr. vaccine given as required by law in California (follow your state/provincial requirements)
Comments rabid animals may infect dogs.

VACCINES NOT RECOMMENDED FOR DOGS!

DISTEMPER AND PARVO @ 6 weeks or younger
Not recommended.
At this age, maternal antibodies form the mothers milk (colostrum) will neutralize the vaccine and only 30% for puppies will be protected. 100% will be exposed to the virus at the vet clinic.

CORONA
Not recommended.
1.) Disease only affects dogs <6 weeks of age.
2.) Rare disease: TAMU has seen only one case in seven years.
3.) Mild self-limiting disease.
4.) Efficacy of the vaccine is questionable.

LEPTOSPIROSIS
Not recommended
1) There are an average of 12 cases reported annually in California.
2) Side effects common.
3) Most commonly used vaccine contains the wrong serovars. (There is no cross-protection of serovars) There is a new vaccine with 2 new serovars. Two vaccinations twice per year would be required for protection.).
4) Risk outweighs benefits.

LYME
Not recommended
1) Low risk in California.
2) 85% of cases are in 9 New England states and Wisconsin.
3) Possible side effect of polyarthritis from whole cell bacterin.

BORDATELLA
(Intranasal) (killed)
Only recommended 3 days prior to boarding when required.
Protects against 2 of the possible 8 causes of kennel cough.
Duration of immunity 6 months.

GIARDIA
Not recommended
Efficacy of vaccine unsubstantiated by independent studies

There are two types of vaccines currently available to veterinarians: modified-live vaccines and inactivated ("killed") vaccines.

Immunization Schedules

There is a great deal of controversy and confusion surrounding the appropriate immunization schedule, especially with the availability of modified-live vaccines and breeders who have experienced post vaccinal problems when using some of these vaccines. It is also important to not begin a vaccination program while maternal antibodies are still active and present in the puppy from the mother's colostrum. The maternal antibodies identify the vaccines as infectious organisms and destroy them before they can stimulate an immune response.

Many breeders and owners have sought a safer immunization program.

Modified Live Vaccines (MLV)

Modified-live vaccines contain a weakened strain of the disease causing agent. Weakening of the agent is typically accomplished by chemical means or by genetic engineering. These vaccines replicate within the host, thus increasing the amount of material available for provoking an immune response without inducing clinical illness. This provocation primes the immune system to mount a vigorous response if the disease causing agent is ever introduced to the animal. Further, the immunity provided by a modified-live vaccine develops rather swiftly and since they mimic infection with the actual disease agent, it provides the best immune response.

Inactivated Vaccines (Killed)

Inactivated vaccines contain killed disease causing agents. Since the agent is killed, it is much more stable and has a longer shelf life, there is no possibility that they will revert to a virulent form, and they never spread from the vaccinated host to other animals. They are also safe for use in pregnant animals (a developing fetus may be susceptible to damage by some of the disease agents, even though attenuated, present in modified-live vaccines). Although more than a single dose of vaccine is always required and the duration of immunity is generally shorter, inactivated vaccines are regaining importance in this age of retrovirus and herpesvirus infections and concern about the safety of genetically modified microorganisms. Inactivated vaccines available for use in dogs include rabies, canine parvovirus, canine coronavirus, etc.

W. Jean Dodds, DVM
HEMOPET
938 Stanford Street
Santa Monica, CA 90403
310/ 828-4804
fax: 310/ 828-8251

Note: This schedule is the one I recommend and should not be interpreted to mean that other protocols recommended by a veterinarian would be less satisfactory. It's a matter of professional judgment and choice. For breeds or families of dogs susceptible to or affected with immune dysfunction, immune-mediated disease, immune-reactions associated with vaccinations, or autoimmune endocrine disease (e.g., thyroiditis, Addison's or Cushing's disease, diabetes, etc.) the above protocol is recommended.

After 1 year, annually measure serum antibody titers against specific canine infectious agents such as distemper and parvovirus. This is especially recommended for animals previously experiencing adverse vaccine reactions or breeds at higher risk for such reactions (e.g., Weimaraner, Akita, American Eskimo, Great Dane).

Another alternative to booster vaccinations is homeopathic nosodes. This option is considered an unconventional treatment that has not been scientifically proven to be efficacious. One controlled parvovirus nosode study did not adequately protect puppies under challenged conditions. However, data from Europe and clinical experience in North America support its use. If veterinarians choose to use homeopathic nosodes, their clients should be provided with an appropriate disclaimer and written informed consent should be obtained.

I use only killed 3 year rabies vaccine for adults and give it separated from other vaccines by 3-4 weeks. In some states, they may be able to give titer test result in lieu of booster.

I do NOT use Bordatella, corona virus, leptospirosis or Lyme vaccines unless these diseases are endemic in the local area or specific kennel. Furthermore, the currently licensed leptospira bacterins do not contain the serovars causing the majority of clinical leptospirosis today.

I do NOT recommend vaccinating bitches during estrus, pregnancy or lactation.

W. Jean Dodds, DVM
HEMOPET

[ladyjane]

Always interesting to see a new member come along with information. Welcome to YT.

[kjc]

Hi and Welcome to YT!

Thanks for posting this. Great explanation!

[MyBabyFynnlie]

Thanks for posting this!

[ladyjane]

It has been posted before on YT along with the AAHA recommendations. I strongly urge people to read both and consult with their vets before making any decisions about vaccines for their pups.
Do your research!

[Teegy]

what does the hydrogen peroxide do?

[MyBabyFynnlie]

Originally Posted by Teegy

what does the hydrogen peroxide do?

It makes them throw up.