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LuvMySissy 08-08-2010 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3231968)
Don't know who she is and honestly I am not sure I want to know. I am sure her friends will attest to her being wonderful, but I have seen people speak up for others where pups were in deplorable conditions. We have all seen news reports of people being busted and their friends saying how wonderful they are.

Besides, conditions are only part of the whole picture.
I can only speak to what I have seen first-hand as a courier. Although you don't know me at all, I care deeply about these babies that I carry around and during the time they are with me, they are given just as much love as if they were going to be mine. And most importantly, I am a truthful person.

Most important here is that Max is getting the love and care he deserves and breeder has stepped up to the plate.

rik20101 08-08-2010 03:14 PM
I am SO sorry you have even more crap to deal with. I hope whoever is being so dang childish has a huge karma bus headed towards them. (And if your breeder is reading and inferring for herself then I hope she starts to see things in a different light)

Hugs to your family.

ladyjane 08-08-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LuvMySissy (Post 3231983)
I can only speak to what I have seen first-hand as a courier. Although you don't know me at all, I care deeply about these babies that I carry around and during the time they are with me, they are given just as much love as if they were going to be mine. And most importantly, I am a truthful person.

Most important here is that Max is getting the love and care he deserves and breeder has stepped up to the plate.

From what I have seen the breeder has not stepped up to anything....just giving half the purchase price...and then still badgering Karen because she is posting online? Come on. Clearly Karen needs support and I don't see that she has gotten that from anyone except the YT members.

But, I am not here to debate this.

Max will get the care he needs, not because of his breeder, but because of the person who purchased him. Time will tell what is wrong...but beside all of that, just the things this woman said to her is not in keeping with reputable in my book.

This has nothing to do with you.

JeanieK 08-08-2010 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3230280)
Exactly. There is something wrong with her behavior and my guess is that she is defensive because she has been through this before. Just my thoughts. Anyone who truly loved the pups they had bred simply would not act this way.

As a rescuer, I place dogs in homes and they are like my babies. If an adopter called me with a problem like this, I would be just as upset as them. I simply cannot imagine any animal lover behaving this way.

She sounds more like she is concerned with her livelihood imho. From the beginning, telling you to euthanize him if he had LS. What the heck. Not like it could not be fixed...and she knows that. So...clearly this is about money.
Respectfully. It is these type of posts that may hinder any hope of the breeder and owner of coming to terms, should that be necessary.

The OP has not blamed the breeder, but many others have and of course she is going to get defensive, since there is no proof that it is her fault..

I know that you mean well, But, The best thing that can be done for the OP is to be supportive and not bash the breeder. Just wait for the test results.

ladyjane 08-08-2010 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3232012)
Respectfully. It is these type of posts that may hinder any hope of the breeder and owner of coming to terms, should that be necessary.

The OP has not blamed the breeder, but many others have and of course she is going to get defensive, since there is no proof that it is her fault..

I know that you mean well, But, The best thing that can be done for the OP is to be supportive and not bash the breeder. Just wait for the test results.

It will never be my fault that someone is disreputable. Either she will do the right thing or not...will have nothing to do with me.

JeanieK 08-08-2010 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3232013)
It will never be my fault that someone is disreputable. Either she will do the right thing or not...will have nothing to do with me.
Why do you assume that it is the breeders fault? At this point nothing is point to the breeder.

JeanieK 08-08-2010 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3231994)
From what I have seen the breeder has not stepped up to anything....just giving half the purchase price...and then still badgering Karen because she is posting online? Come on. Clearly Karen needs support and I don't see that she has gotten that from anyone except the YT members.

But, I am not here to debate this.

Max will get the care he needs, not because of his breeder, but because of the person who purchased him. Time will tell what is wrong...but beside all of that, just the things this woman said to her is not in keeping with reputable in my book.

This has nothing to do with you.
There is nothing here that indicatres that there is anything for the breeder to step up to.

The OP is probably regretting ever having said anything about her conversation with the breeder.

People frequently say things when they are upset that they don't really mean. And when people are upset, they frequently hear things in a different way than what they were meant. perhaps it was not a statement but more of a question. We were not there, we do not know.

Let he, who is without sin, cast the first stone.

We've all made mistakes and have all said things that we later regretted.

JeanieK 08-08-2010 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3231337)
I chatted online with the breeder last night and explained that I do not want to receive emails of blame and will not do the same to her. I have been offered another replacement puppy, but never any funds for either the initial purchase or help with vet bills. I will keep the breeder informed of tests as she stated last night that she cares about his well being.

Let's keep in mind that it COULD be something that happened while in my care. MAYBE it's the Sentinel. MAYBE he played too hard. MAYBE LS developed on Tuesday and no signs of his episodes ever happened in the breeder's care. It's too early to really know anything at this point. If indeed it is some kind health issue that may be hereditary I will then question if she can help me financially.

Let's deal with the breeder situation later.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Hopefully he will be fine and there will be nothing to deal with.
We're all pulling for him and you.

ladyjane 08-08-2010 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3232039)
Why do you assume that it is the breeders fault? At this point nothing is point to the breeder.
No where did I say she is at fault for his condition. I dont know who she is and hope I never do because her comments disgust me if they are true. We are talking about an unknown person...well at least on MY end. :)

If she suggested Karen euthanize Max she is not reputable in my book PERIOD

But for you to suggest it might be MY fault if the breeder does not do the right thing is ludicrous.

JeanieK 08-08-2010 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3232070)
No where did I say she is at fault for his condition. I dont know who she is and hope I never do because her comments disgust me if they are true. We are talking about an unknown person...well at least on MY end. :)

If she suggested Karen euthanize Max she is not reputable in my book PERIOD

But for you to suggest it might be MY fault if the breeder does not do the right thing is ludicrous.
Tsk Tsk Tsk. This is not about you.

143julz 08-08-2010 05:00 PM
Just popping in to let you know we are thinking of you...Hope you get good news this week;)

I hope this thread turns back into being ALL about MAX:D

AllDogBoots 08-08-2010 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 143julz (Post 3232095)
Just popping in to let you know we are thinking of you...Hope you get good news this week;)

I hope this thread turns back into being ALL about MAX:D
I hope so too. I'm going to talk to my vet tomorrow in detail about the BAT results, after he speaks with the lab. I'm going to then ask for a referral to LSU Hospital to see a neurologist. I think that sounds like the most logical next steps.

lexipoo 08-08-2010 05:18 PM
Just checking up on you and little Max. Keep you and your family in our thoughts and prayers. Hope you get some much needed answers soon on your little one.....hugs to you all Cheryl & Lexi

mscat 08-08-2010 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3232106)
I hope so too. I'm going to talk to my vet tomorrow in detail about the BAT results, after he speaks with the lab. I'm going to then ask for a referral to LSU Hospital to see a neurologist. I think that sounds like the most logical next steps.
I think you are doing all you can for little Max. Your a great Yorkie mom.

AllDogBoots 08-08-2010 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mscat (Post 3232119)
I think you are doing all you can for little Max. Your a great Yorkie mom.
Thanks, I appreciate it. It's hard enough managing a puppy without having the medical issues. I'm tired!

ladyjane 08-08-2010 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3232106)
I hope so too. I'm going to talk to my vet tomorrow in detail about the BAT results, after he speaks with the lab. I'm going to then ask for a referral to LSU Hospital to see a neurologist. I think that sounds like the most logical next steps.

Sounds like a good plan. I will keep you and Max in my thoughts and prayers. :)

ladyjane 08-08-2010 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3232122)
Thanks, I appreciate it. It's hard enough managing a puppy without having the medical issues. I'm tired!
Yes, puppies can be quite the handful! I have a 7 month old foster right now and he keeps me hopping! He has found my furniture to be quite tasty, so I have to have eyes in the back of my head. :D Perhaps that is a good thing that Max is a happy and active puppy! I surely hope so. :)

Ladymom 08-08-2010 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3232106)
I hope so too. I'm going to talk to my vet tomorrow in detail about the BAT results, after he speaks with the lab. I'm going to then ask for a referral to LSU Hospital to see a neurologist. I think that sounds like the most logical next steps.
:thumbup::thumbup: Sounds like a plan!

StacyDufner 08-08-2010 06:35 PM
Hey Karen, just wanted to stop in and send you and Max some love. We are praying for you guys.

Melcakes 08-08-2010 07:33 PM
Karen, Max is sooo cute! Sorry all this is happening to your new little guy and you have to go through this with a new puppy. I know you'll find out how to make him better and what's going on with your baby in time. Max is very lucky to have you and he seems like a very happy little guy!

kjcmsw 08-08-2010 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3227378)
Thanks everyone. I'm so confused and would rather spend time with him then do research.

His episodes seem to be at random intervals.

The breeder will not take him back. After quite an argument over the phone just a while ago I told her she MUST work with me.

My moral dilemma is that I have had him for 5 days. Do I want to spend thousands of dollars on surgery for a dog that should have been bought healthy. But if she doesn't take him back what choice do i have?

i am just so sad and upset. i'm in shock. i don't want to read about Liver Shunts and do research on a dog that should be healthy.

Please pray that it's something different.
Don't know your location, however in the northwest...you can (legally) get all your money back and still keep the dog (judges won't break the bond you've created with the dog, especially if there are children in the house who have bonded with the dog)

MyBabyFynnlie 08-08-2010 10:43 PM
Just dropping by to check on Max and to see how you're holding up, Karen! I hope everything becomes clear, soon. I know you have to be exhausted.

You're a great momma! He's lucky to have you. :)

Micah my love 08-09-2010 05:31 AM
Karen i have no idea what is wrong with Max but i don't believe that it is LS
my reason for that is my Micah was BAT and his were much higher than Max they were in the high 50's

I took him to UT and he went through all of the test there including a liver biospy no shunt was found, he however does have MVD and is on a special food and seems to be doing fine, and has gained a little weight not sure but the weight maybe caused from being neutered.

I pray that Max will be fine hugs to you both

AllDogBoots 08-09-2010 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Micah my love (Post 3232588)
Karen i have no idea what is wrong with Max but i don't believe that it is LS
my reason for that is my Micah was BAT and his were much higher than Max they were in the high 50's

I took him to UT and he went through all of the test there including a liver biospy no shunt was found, he however does have MVD and is on a special food and seems to be doing fine, and has gained a little weight not sure but the weight maybe caused from being neutered.

I pray that Max will be fine hugs to you both
Thanks for the support. I woke up this morning in fear. I'm so afraid that if its not LS then the outlook will be worse being that it's a major neurological disorder. I know one step at a time. I'm reading about so many symptoms in neurological disorders that Max just doesn't have, including lethargy, not eating, pain, etc.

Max is gaining weight just fine.

jacquelinebabco 08-09-2010 05:44 AM
I've read all of the posts about Max and my heart just aches for you. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers and hope that this is all sorted out soon and Max will be ok.

musiccitymom 08-09-2010 05:45 AM
Hope you get some answers soon. So much easier to cope with something specific than the unknown. You have an amazing support system here!

ladyjane 08-09-2010 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AllDogBoots (Post 3232591)
Thanks for the support. I woke up this morning in fear. I'm so afraid that if its not LS then the outlook will be worse being that it's a major neurological disorder. I know one step at a time. I'm reading about so many symptoms in neurological disorders that Max just doesn't have, including lethargy, not eating, pain, etc.

Max is gaining weight just fine.

Karen, it may not be neurological, but a neuro vet will know. AND, even if it is neurological it does not have to be major.

Pray for faith to replace your fears. It works! :)

AllDogBoots 08-09-2010 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by musiccitymom (Post 3232604)
Hope you get some answers soon. So much easier to cope with something specific than the unknown. You have an amazing support system here!
I couldn't do it without YT. I'm going to need a therapist for me when we are done with figuring out Max.

Cooper has been the most incredible dog in the world. I take turns putting both Cooper and Max in the pen. It's really hard to keep Max contained and Cooper knows that when he goes in there that it's quiet time and independent play time for Max.

hugz4all4 08-09-2010 05:49 AM
i have continued to keep max and your family in my thoughts and prayers...((hugs))

AllDogBoots 08-09-2010 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3232606)
Karen, it may not be neurological, but a neuro vet will know. AND, even if it is neurological it does not have to be major.

Pray for faith to replace your fears. It works! :)
I like this. Thanks. I'm still banking on the Sentinel.


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