Help!!!

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Was it just DHPP or was it DHLPP or DHPP-C?

What happened during the reaction? Anaphylaxis?

Because this was only the second set, being unprotected for life is a concern. I'd titer in a few weeks, but if your pup really can't be vaccinated again and the titer isn't high, he will be at risk of contracting some serious things. Not sure why they are saying no rabies when that's not what caused the reaction. It sounds like he came out of it okay. Has he had a problem with any other drugs?

I agree. Your puppy's vaccinations were started too early, while he still had maternal antibodies from nursing. They block the effectiveness of early vaccines. At 12 weeks, he only has about a 60% chance of being fully immunized. Ideally, the last round of vaccinations are done around 16-18 weeks, then boosted at a year.

Giving vaccinations separately (like parvo only) can greatly reduce the risk of a reaction.

Make sure you get a bile acids test done on him when he reaches 16 weeks. Problems with vaccinations can be a symptom of a liver shunt.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Lucyana1129

I just got Bentley home. He is doing well. They said that with the type of reaction he had, giving him meds before hand wouldnt have helped much. They gave him SQ fluids and oxygen. It was his last set so thats good. I found out that they gave him DHPPCv. I am only familiar with DHPP and DHLPP. I know that lepto isnt common anymore because of all the reactions. Is that the same with the corona? The breeder had given him just DHPP twice and he was fine. So Im wondering if it was the corona that did it. Anyways, thank goodness he is okay. He is on benedryl for a few days just in case. He is next to me sleeping right now. Poor little man.

Corona is absolutely unnecessary....and can cause a reaction and more than likely what caused it.

You need to do a google on Dr Dodds Vaccination Protocol.........

[Ladymom]

Oh, dear. Corona is what probably caused the reaction. It is dangerous and completely unnecessary.

1. Dogs over eight weeks of age are not susceptible to canine corona virus disease. Disease produced by canine corona virus has never been demonstrated in adult dogs. Dogs over eight weeks of age that are immunized against canine parvovirus will not develop symptoms of canine corona virus disease. Addition of an unnecessary antigen to the vaccination protocol will result in a lesser immunity to the important diseases like parvovirus and distemper, and increase the risk of adverse reactions.

2. Immunologists doubt that Canine corona virus vaccine works, as it would require secretory mucosal IgA antibodies to protect against corona virus and a parenteral vaccine does not accomplish this very well. Twenty-two Schools of Veterinary Medicine including Texas A&M University do not recommend canine corona virus vaccine.

3. Gastroenteroligists at Schools of Veterinary Medicine including Dr Michael Willard at Texas A&M University have stated that they have only seen one case of corona virus disease in a dog in ten years.


Texas Vet sues due to over vaccination of dogs and cats

Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol has been adopted by the majority of vet schools in the US.

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

[Ellie May]

This is a good reminder about giving non-core vaccines though. If the DHPP would have been given alone and a reaction occurred, it wouldn't be right to do it again. But because C was added, now there is no way to know if the core or non-core part caused the reaction. So the corona vaccine could be the reason that this pup won't be protected from parvo and distemper for life. I agree. The liver should be checked in a few weeks.

I'm very surprised benadryl and steroids weren't given after the reaction.

[chandracz]

what is the corona virus vaccine? i've never heard of it!

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Oh, dear. Corona is what probably caused the reaction. It is dangerous and completely unnecessary.

1. Dogs over eight weeks of age are not susceptible to canine corona virus disease. Disease produced by canine corona virus has never been demonstrated in adult dogs. Dogs over eight weeks of age that are immunized against canine parvovirus will not develop symptoms of canine corona virus disease. Addition of an unnecessary antigen to the vaccination protocol will result in a lesser immunity to the important diseases like parvovirus and distemper, and increase the risk of adverse reactions.

2. Immunologists doubt that Canine corona virus vaccine works, as it would require secretory mucosal IgA antibodies to protect against corona virus and a parenteral vaccine does not accomplish this very well. Twenty-two Schools of Veterinary Medicine including Texas A&M University do not recommend canine corona virus vaccine.

3. Gastroenteroligists at Schools of Veterinary Medicine including Dr Michael Willard at Texas A&M University have stated that they have only seen one case of corona virus disease in a dog in ten years.


Texas Vet sues due to over vaccination of dogs and cats

Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol has been adopted by the majority of vet schools in the US.

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

[beautifulmamaa]

At the vet hospital I work at the Dr's recommend vaccines no earlier than 8 weeks of age due to the immunity provided by the mother. We give DHPP @ 8, 10 & 12 weeks of age then a final Parvo vaccine @ 16 weeks of age & a DHPP booster in 1 year. Rabies can also be given @ 16 weeks, but the Dr's prefer to wait until 6 months when most pups are spayed/neutered. I agree with the other ladies, you should get a titer done in a few weeks to check the level of immunity.

[kjc]

Coronavirus:

https://www.vetconnect.com.au/5min/data/04820483.htm

Dr Dodds recommends the DHPP and Rabies boosters to be given separately, at least 4 weeks apart. This allows the dog's system to produce more antibodies (protection) against the disease being vaccinated against. When both are given at the same time, the little dog's system is then busy making antibodies against all the diseases, and the body can't make as many antibodies againt the each of the diseases as it can when separated by 4 weeks.

It's just a more effective way to vaccinate.

Also, dogs are more likely to experience a problem not on the first vaccine, but on the 2nd or 3rd. So just because a dog does well through one set of vaccines, there is no guarantee that he will not be adversely affected by subsequent vaccinations. I always stay in or near the hospital for an hour after my pups receive any vaccination, so they have immediate access to the vet and clinic for treatment, should it be necessary.

Each pup in any given litter will have a different amount of maternal antibodies present, depending on how well they feed initially. Pups may lose maternal protection anywhere from 6 -12 weeks of age. Any vaccine given when the puppy has active maternal antibodies will be killed outright, having no effect on the puppy's immunity. Pups really only need 2 sets of vaccines to become protected, as long as they are administered after the pup loses the maternal antibodies. So the later the vaccines are started, the better chance of them producing protection for the pup. They are given 3 sets, just in case the first set is rendered inactive by the maternal antibodies. To test each pup in the litter would be an expensive undertaking, so vets usually choose to vaccinate with 3 sets, thereby covering any lapses in protection, should a pup lose maternal antibodies early on.

[Rhetts_mama]

It could have been the corona vaccine, but it could have just as easily been any of the other components. It could even have been a reaction to the preservative or base in the vaccine (rare, but does happen) An allergic reaction can occur after a 1st exposure or 101st, so without them giving each component separately, there is no way of knowing for sure. That's why they are recommending no rabies vaccine, too.

Kudos to your vet for recognizing the problem and correcting it right away. And especially for providing you with the info that this pup should not have any more vaccines.

[Lucyana1129]

She did give him benedryl to come home with. And they gave him SQ fluids and oxygen. They worked fast to fix the problem and I am grateful. However, I called the breeder and she was very upset. She said he shouldnt have been given his next set for another week or so and that they could have killed him. I dont know the exact cause of the problem. I just know that I am thanking god he is okay now. I am a little wary of any more vaccines though. With good reason I think. But like I said, right now I am just SO thankful that he is okay.

[Ellie May]

My girl had a similar reaction. It was to the lepto though which makes things easier for us. She doesn't get DHPP anymore just because she doesn't need it. We do rabies still. If your vet isn't comfortable doing anymore, at least they care enough to stop. It's just going to be miserable trying to keep your doggie safe from all of these diseases for life. Hoping for high titers. There would be a lot less worries.

[Cherie6446]

If he has has three shots does he need more? My Zoey had three DHPP and that was it. Maybe he doesn't need any more. Rabies is a hard one too. My vet have me "Revolution" for flea control and that made Zoey sick too. I called the company's hot line but they were closed. I checked the product out online and found that her reactions were "sometimes reported". She doesn't have fleas and I'm not giving it to her again. These little ones just don't do well with shots and meds. I wish I could not have the rabies vaccine but I can't see any way out of it.
Cherie

[Cherie6446]

Could someone send me an e-mail and tell me what "titers" are.
Thanks,
Cherie

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

It could have been the corona vaccine, but it could have just as easily been any of the other components. It could even have been a reaction to the preservative or base in the vaccine (rare, but does happen) An allergic reaction can occur after a 1st exposure or 101st, so without them giving each component separately, there is no way of knowing for sure. That's why they are recommending no rabies vaccine, too.

Kudos to your vet for recognizing the problem and correcting it right away. And especially for providing you with the info that this pup should not have any more vaccines.

I agree. It's a shame though that she didn't see that the vaccine contained Coronavirus which he didn't need in the first place, and would eliminate alot of this uncertainty to begin with. So now we have a pup, who may or may not have sufficient immunity against these nasty diseases, and to try to keep him safe will in turn be risking his life, either way.

When I take my pups in for vaccines... I read the labels, or they don't get them. The techs are responsible for pulling and preping the vaccs for each visit. The vet looks at them , at which point I interupt and say, 'Can I see that? I really do not want my pups to get Corona, Lepto, or Lymes. Just DHPP now, and I'll come back in a month for the Rabies.' and then she administers them to the pups. I will walk out of the office and find a new vet if I am ever denied being allowed to double check the vaccines, with my own eyes.

[mom2dogs5]

Seventeen years ago, I owned a JRT that nearly died TWICE before I was told to never give shots of any kind again because of her reaction to them. And just two months ago I lost her.....to age and a lifetime of IBD. But those seventeen years were filled with a wonderful, smart, "thinking", "shotless" dog, so don't you worry about your baby! Dogs can live long and happy lives without vaccinations. Just be glad it's been pinpointed early and you have a vet that leveled with you. If you ever have any doubts about protection, you can always have titers done. I understand they have "in house" tests that can be done now by forward thinking vets.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Cherie6446

Could someone send me an e-mail and tell me what "titers" are.
Thanks,
Cherie

I'll tell you here, in case others don't know.

Having a titer done is to take a blood sample from the dog, and it is checked for antibodies created by the immune system to fight a specific disease that the dog was vaccinated against.

If the level of antibodies in the blood is determined to be adequate to fight off the disease if the dog is exposed to it, then the dog is considered protected against that disease.

If the level of antibodies is too low, then it will be recommended to booster that vaccination, which will cause the dog's immune system to produce more antibodies against the particular disease, and then be able to fight off an infection if he were to be exposed to it.