Left on the carpet today: What might the cause of this symptom be? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

gaijingirl · 06-20-2010, 12:32 PM

I'm sorry this is pretty gross and I apologize for the yuckiness of the below picture: A few minutes ago, my husband saw this on the carpet, after hearing our dog scratching (trying to "bury" it). We weren't even sure what end it came out of at first, but determined now that it's some kind of bowel movement. He had just been out to the bathroom about an hour or so before and everything had looked fine and good...no diarrhea or anything. Then all of the sudden, this, which we have never seen before since we've had him.

He did vomit late Friday morning, but it seemed like he was fine after a bit. His tummy may have been upset somewhat, because he refused to eat even a pea, which he usually loves as a treat, but after a nap, he was still running around like a crazy man and wanting to eat again by that evening.

He is still wanting to play now and is acting normal. I called the vet and asked them when I should bring him in (emergency Sunday vet today or wait until tomorrow) and they didn't seem to have an opinion either way. I kept a sample of what he left on the carpet, but they said that by tomorrow it wouldn't be worth having.

My puppy did have some health problems in April, I posted about here, (had 3 occasions where he ran fevers and then was fine after a run of Antibiotics but would get sick again with a fever and sometimes vomiting or diarrhea after being off the drugs for a few days). He had a full blood test done in Canada, the end of April where all the results were normal, except his white blood count, which was very high. We had him tested again about 2 weeks ago when we got back to TN and his white blood count was back to normal and the vet thought everything seemed fine.

So, anyone have any clue what this could be and if it's cause to run to the vet (again)? My husband thinks that we should wait and see if he gets worse, since he is acting fine. (In the past when he has been sick he has not wanted to do anything). We've had him to the vet a bunch of times in the past couple of months. He is on Orijen Reginal Red for food. I switched him over a month ago and we had been thinking that maybe this new food was helping him. (He was on Blue Buffalo before). I've transitioned him REALLY slowly and still add a tiny bit of the Blue Buffalo. He gets tiny, pin-head sized bits of cheese or peas if I am working on clicker training, a half of a bil-jac small dog training treat (less than a pea size) for going potty outside and occasionally my husband might give him a pea-sized bit of meat. I give him a tablespoon of yogurt about every day or two and also add a half of a capsule of fish oil on his food each day. My husband thinks we should cut out everything except his Orijen for several days or a week and see how he does and just watch him carefully to make sure he has no other symptoms or problems. I was so hopeful after his last blood test that he would be OK now after the month of illness. I love this little guy so much and it's emotionally draining and frustrating. He's a rescue, found as a stray wandering the streets of a rougher side of town, so I know nothing about his past. I've had him since February and estimate him to be just under a year old.

dwerten · 06-20-2010, 08:02 PM

This looks like a colitis poop to me. It seems yellow jelly with a tint of red blood in it. Am I correct? Has there been any stress recently? How long ago did you get back from Canada?

sometimes they do a normal poop then this comes out afterward in a second poop and looks like he walked while doing it so it was a string of it

It is not a worm right?

I would cut everything out but the food - use the food as a treat

Jacksmom052709 · 06-20-2010, 08:06 PM

Well, to me, it looks like blood and mucous - I am not a vet, but from what I have read on here, it seems like he may be having some intestinal sensitivity. It could be from food. We quit feeding Jack the moist Innova Evo Chicken because he was having very bad reaction and I figured it was the chicken. Since we have cut that out of his diet, he has been fine. When he was on that, he did have some bowel movements that looked mucousy and had some blood in them.

I hope your baby is fine and that's all it is just a little sensitivity.

dwerten · 06-20-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacksmom052709

Well, to me, it looks like blood and mucous - I am not a vet, but from what I have read on here, it seems like he may be having some intestinal sensitivity. It could be from food. We quit feeding Jack the moist Innova Evo Chicken because he was having very bad reaction and I figured it was the chicken. Since we have cut that out of his diet, he has been fine. When he was on that, he did have some bowel movements that looked mucousy and had some blood in them.

I hope your baby is fine and that's all it is just a little sensitivity.

yeah ibd dogs should not have chicken - and this breed has real sensitive stomachs sadly

dwerten · 06-20-2010, 08:09 PM

this is colitis poop and it looks like he walked while it was coming out or it would look like this

DEE DEE POOP :: 2009-10452.jpg picture by dwerten - Photobucket

2Morkies · 06-20-2010, 08:09 PM

It looks a little like the what comes out of anal glands. My old dog sometimes had this when his anal glands needed to be squeezed....I don't know, just my opinion.

dwerten · 06-20-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Morkies

It looks a little like the what comes out of anal glands. My old dog sometimes had this when his anal glands needed to be squeezed....I don't know, just my opinion.

could be

op check both sides of anus and see if you feel any lumps as that is where the anal glands are to see if any impaction going on

orlnurse · 06-21-2010, 03:11 AM

Looks like what Lily experienced when she had Colitis. She was put on Flagyl for a few days and after one dose her stools looked better.

gaijingirl · 06-23-2010, 12:01 PM

Thank you all for your replies. This was helpful in giving me some things to think about and watch for. I did check his anal glands and they don't seem to be hard. We got back from Canada about 3.5 weeks ago. I don't think he has been under any stress recently. He's pretty wound up most of the time, but he is a Yorkie puppy, so I guess it's expected that he would be that way! I am home with him every day and he is not alone very often at all. He was actually fine up until last Friday. I took him to the vet right after we got back and he was great then. Blood test was normal.

I've been watching him really closely for the past few days and he seemed to be doing pretty well Monday and Tuesday. However, today, I think he has something wrong with him again as his tummy seems to be bothering him a lot. We had a nap and after we got up, I could hear his gut making a lot of gurgling type noises. I took him outside to go potty and he ran to the longest grass he could find and started chowing down as fast as he could. I could hardly get him to come in at all. He also pooped again for the second time today and normally he only goes twice a day and about 10 hours apart. This was about 3 hours later.

I don't know what to do for him. He is refusing food now and is taking water very, very sparingly. Is there something I could give him to help settle his stomach?

Is this typical for dogs if they were to have colitis? And is colitis related to IBS?

It seems like he is fine for days or even 2-3 weeks and then he will have an episode where he has some digestive thing happen (whether it be he vomits, has diarrhea, or something else like this gurgling tummy today). He might seem out of it for an hour or two and then be fine. As long as he doesn't have a fever, he's seems to get over it fairly quickly, if temporarily.

The only thing I've been giving him to eat is his Orijen and I've given him a few peas as treats when training. (I hoped the peas would be OK, since I noticed it's one of the top ingredients in Orijen...he really isn't a fan of dry dog food). I have been giving him about a tablespoon of yogurt/day, since my vet recommended that to me before and also add a little fish oil to his food once/day.

orlnurse · 06-23-2010, 12:27 PM

Maybe the fat content is too high for him in the Orijen, the cheese may be too much and I think peas are hard to digest. I've been having a similar problem with Max and I've been doing some reading. It could be some mild colitis or pancreatitis. The symptoms you are describing can be due to the stomach ache related to colitis. They may do some liver and pancreatic enzymes to form a diagnosis. Since these episodes are happening every 2-3 weeks, he should definitely be seen by the vet. Sounds like its becoming more a chronic than an acute problem.

By the way, I noticed that his last WBCs were elevated; that can be common with these problems.

dwerten · 06-23-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gaijingirl

Thank you all for your replies. This was helpful in giving me some things to think about and watch for. I did check his anal glands and they don't seem to be hard. We got back from Canada about 3.5 weeks ago. I don't think he has been under any stress recently. He's pretty wound up most of the time, but he is a Yorkie puppy, so I guess it's expected that he would be that way! I am home with him every day and he is not alone very often at all. He was actually fine up until last Friday. I took him to the vet right after we got back and he was great then. Blood test was normal.

I've been watching him really closely for the past few days and he seemed to be doing pretty well Monday and Tuesday. However, today, I think he has something wrong with him again as his tummy seems to be bothering him a lot. We had a nap and after we got up, I could hear his gut making a lot of gurgling type noises. I took him outside to go potty and he ran to the longest grass he could find and started chowing down as fast as he could. I could hardly get him to come in at all. He also pooped again for the second time today and normally he only goes twice a day and about 10 hours apart. This was about 3 hours later.

I don't know what to do for him. He is refusing food now and is taking water very, very sparingly. Is there something I could give him to help settle his stomach?

Is this typical for dogs if they were to have colitis? And is colitis related to IBS?

It seems like he is fine for days or even 2-3 weeks and then he will have an episode where he has some digestive thing happen (whether it be he vomits, has diarrhea, or something else like this gurgling tummy today). He might seem out of it for an hour or two and then be fine. As long as he doesn't have a fever, he's seems to get over it fairly quickly, if temporarily.

The only thing I've been giving him to eat is his Orijen and I've given him a few peas as treats when training. (I hoped the peas would be OK, since I noticed it's one of the top ingredients in Orijen...he really isn't a fan of dry dog food). I have been giving him about a tablespoon of yogurt/day, since my vet recommended that to me before and also add a little fish oil to his food once/day.

no peas as peas in shell are hard to digest, no yogurt as many dogs are lactose intolerant and better to do probiotics.

can you link the food you are feeding so i can read ingredients. Sounds like if not colitis then ibd as blood work is fine. If vomitting the whole digest tract is inflamed. You need to go super basic just food but i want to see what this food has in it and what percentage of protein and fat as if not stress related then it sounds dietary to me.

orlnurse · 06-23-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dwerten

no peas as peas in shell are hard to digest, no yogurt as many dogs are lactose intolerant and better to do probiotics.

can you link the food you are feeding so i can read ingredients. Sounds like if not colitis then ibd as blood work is fine. If vomitting the whole digest tract is inflamed. You need to go super basic just food but i want to see what this food has in it and what percentage of protein and fat as if not stress related then it sounds dietary to me.

I think this is the one she's using:
Regional Red Analysis

dwerten · 06-23-2010, 12:47 PM

no fish oil either - you need to go super basic until you get this under control and fatty acids while rare can trigger pancreatitis in this breed so you have to be really careful when supplementing this breed

dwerten · 06-23-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by orlnurse

I think this is the one she's using:
Regional Red Analysis

WHOA too high in fat and too high in protein - this is the problem - this breed cannot tolerate high fat or high protein diets so I think this is your problem

I would transition over to natural balance venison and sweet potato as many dogs with intestinal issues do well on that

I have an IBD dog so have read up on alot of issues in this breed to do with intestinal issues and I almost lost him to pancreatitis so the fat content and then adding fatty acids can cause trouble with this breed

gaijingirl · 06-23-2010, 12:54 PM

Here is the link to the food he is currently on:

Orijen Reginal Red

You can click on all the information about the analysis, calories and ingredients on the left hand side.
He eats about a 1/2 cup per day...sometimes less. I mostly let him free feed.
He had actually been good on this food for about a month until he started getting bad.

Prior to this, I had him on Blue Buffalo Puppy Chicken and Brown Rice recipe.

He was also on this food for about a month before he started getting sick. Although when he was sick then, it was a reoccurring fever along with the vomiting and diarrhea and he was REALLY bad. (Initially the vet thought it was a virus and then parasites).

06-20-2010, 08:02 PM	#2
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	This looks like a colitis poop to me. It seems yellow jelly with a tint of red blood in it. Am I correct? Has there been any stress recently? How long ago did you get back from Canada? sometimes they do a normal poop then this comes out afterward in a second poop and looks like he walked while doing it so it was a string of it It is not a worm right? I would cut everything out but the food - use the food as a treat Last edited by dwerten; 06-20-2010 at 08:04 PM.

06-20-2010, 08:06 PM	#3
Jacksmom052709 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,044	Well, to me, it looks like blood and mucous - I am not a vet, but from what I have read on here, it seems like he may be having some intestinal sensitivity. It could be from food. We quit feeding Jack the moist Innova Evo Chicken because he was having very bad reaction and I figured it was the chicken. Since we have cut that out of his diet, he has been fine. When he was on that, he did have some bowel movements that looked mucousy and had some blood in them. I hope your baby is fine and that's all it is just a little sensitivity. __________________ ~Lori ~ Mom to fur babies Jack, Izzy & Jada & their kitty siblings, Mr. Poops, Milo, Pearl & barn kitty Nanny.

06-20-2010, 08:09 PM	#6
2Morkies YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: USA Posts: 798	It looks a little like the what comes out of anal glands. My old dog sometimes had this when his anal glands needed to be squeezed....I don't know, just my opinion. __________________ MuffinBoomer

06-21-2010, 03:11 AM	#8
orlnurse ♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US Posts: 2,186	Looks like what Lily experienced when she had Colitis. She was put on Flagyl for a few days and after one dose her stools looked better. __________________ My little dog - a heartbeat at my feet. ~Edith Wharton Lesley, Maximilian & Lily Rae

06-23-2010, 12:27 PM	#10
orlnurse ♥Max & Lily♥ Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, US Posts: 2,186	Maybe the fat content is too high for him in the Orijen, the cheese may be too much and I think peas are hard to digest. I've been having a similar problem with Max and I've been doing some reading. It could be some mild colitis or pancreatitis. The symptoms you are describing can be due to the stomach ache related to colitis. They may do some liver and pancreatic enzymes to form a diagnosis. Since these episodes are happening every 2-3 weeks, he should definitely be seen by the vet. Sounds like its becoming more a chronic than an acute problem. By the way, I noticed that his last WBCs were elevated; that can be common with these problems. __________________ My little dog - a heartbeat at my feet. ~Edith Wharton Lesley, Maximilian & Lily Rae Last edited by orlnurse; 06-23-2010 at 12:29 PM.

06-23-2010, 12:01 PM	#9
gaijingirl YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 283	Thank you all for your replies. This was helpful in giving me some things to think about and watch for. I did check his anal glands and they don't seem to be hard. We got back from Canada about 3.5 weeks ago. I don't think he has been under any stress recently. He's pretty wound up most of the time, but he is a Yorkie puppy, so I guess it's expected that he would be that way! I am home with him every day and he is not alone very often at all. He was actually fine up until last Friday. I took him to the vet right after we got back and he was great then. Blood test was normal. I've been watching him really closely for the past few days and he seemed to be doing pretty well Monday and Tuesday. However, today, I think he has something wrong with him again as his tummy seems to be bothering him a lot. We had a nap and after we got up, I could hear his gut making a lot of gurgling type noises. I took him outside to go potty and he ran to the longest grass he could find and started chowing down as fast as he could. I could hardly get him to come in at all. He also pooped again for the second time today and normally he only goes twice a day and about 10 hours apart. This was about 3 hours later. I don't know what to do for him. He is refusing food now and is taking water very, very sparingly. Is there something I could give him to help settle his stomach? Is this typical for dogs if they were to have colitis? And is colitis related to IBS? It seems like he is fine for days or even 2-3 weeks and then he will have an episode where he has some digestive thing happen (whether it be he vomits, has diarrhea, or something else like this gurgling tummy today). He might seem out of it for an hour or two and then be fine. As long as he doesn't have a fever, he's seems to get over it fairly quickly, if temporarily. The only thing I've been giving him to eat is his Orijen and I've given him a few peas as treats when training. (I hoped the peas would be OK, since I noticed it's one of the top ingredients in Orijen...he really isn't a fan of dry dog food). I have been giving him about a tablespoon of yogurt/day, since my vet recommended that to me before and also add a little fish oil to his food once/day.

06-23-2010, 12:47 PM	#13
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	no fish oil either - you need to go super basic until you get this under control and fatty acids while rare can trigger pancreatitis in this breed so you have to be really careful when supplementing this breed

06-23-2010, 12:54 PM	#15
gaijingirl YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 283	Here is the link to the food he is currently on: Orijen Reginal Red You can click on all the information about the analysis, calories and ingredients on the left hand side. He eats about a 1/2 cup per day...sometimes less. I mostly let him free feed. He had actually been good on this food for about a month until he started getting bad. Prior to this, I had him on Blue Buffalo Puppy Chicken and Brown Rice recipe. He was also on this food for about a month before he started getting sick. Although when he was sick then, it was a reoccurring fever along with the vomiting and diarrhea and he was REALLY bad. (Initially the vet thought it was a virus and then parasites).