Vaccine reaction? advice please

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by MPlayman

Layla is 8.5 months old. she is 3.6 pounds.

We wanted to wait until she was 4 pounds to have her spayed. She came into heat at 8 month. I called several vets to find one that did allot of spays on very small dogs. This one came highly recommended. Here they will not spay her unless she has a rabies vaccine. So they wanted to give her it when they spay her and I said no I wanted it split up.

We took her in Monday (last week). (This was not something I wanted but what choice do I have if I want her fixed?)

So Yes she is done "Puppy" shots.
They gave her the shot in the right shoulder/neck area. This is where the lump is also. She only had the one shot. (I do not like to vaccine and feel most are not needed)

From what I have read, dogs can have reactions months after the shot. We have been watching her very close for any reaction and thought we were good. But Saturday night she was just screaming when I picked her up.

It was heart breaking to here my baby scream and not know what was wrong.
The Vets are on a "wait a day or two and see".

I am scared to get her fixed now and scared not to.

anything is possible in medicine. the lump is most likely a reaction to the rabies vaccine then. It will most likely go away. I do not like giving vaccines either and don't give then to my pets anymore. When morgan was spayed she was about 3lbs and 6 months old. She got her rabies vaccine right after the surgery with no problems.

every dog is different and you have to do what you feel comfortable doing regarding vaccine protocol. there is lots of information here on YT about it.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

yes dogs can get fibrosarcoma from it too but its less common in dogs then it is in cats. i don't know anything about the titers.



Its given as far down the leg as possible so the leg can be amputated to prevent mets. From what i saw the leg was amputated and then chemo was done, but then again i worked in the surgical department so i cannot tell you about the chemo only patients. do you know what type of cancer your friends cocker has?

not sure but i will email her and ask her as felt so bad for her she has 4 cockers and this is the only one it has happened to but her vet vaccinates for everything even corona virus Not sure if he does yearly but i doubt he does and think he does every 3 years - i will post when she emails me back if she even knows lolll she just goes with what her vet says as he is a personal friend so she may not even know

[MPlayman]

Layla is playing with her brother (GSD) for the first time in days!!!! She needs a bath so bad but I think that will wait a few more days.

So happy to see her play!

Daddy has been home with her everyday.

Makes me love him even more to know he loves our fur kids!

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by MPlayman

Layla is playing with her brother (GSD) for the first time in days!!!! She needs a bath so bad but I think that will wait a few more days.

So happy to see her play!

Daddy has been home with her everyday.

Makes me love him even more to know he loves our fur kids!

so happy what a great dh

[MPlayman]

Layla seems better everyday. She is eating well and playing a bit more. Still wants to sleep allot. I have moved her spay back til Tuesday next week to give her more time to recover from reaction.

Called the vet again and insisted this be documented in her records.

Any advice on the spay thing.

Oh why can this not be easier?

[MPlayman]

Poor Angellayla sicky.jpg

[kalina82]

My only advice for the spay would be to make sure you do a full blood panel before hand just to be sure everything is ok. There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are a few things you can do and ask to make sure she's getting the best care. you can check out this thread in the library http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-protocol.html

[loveshay]

Okay am reading and soaking this all in.....Bella was a week late getting her last set of vac.s.....so vet wants to give booster at end of month....you think she needs that???

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by loveshay

Okay am reading and soaking this all in.....Bella was a week late getting her last set of vac.s.....so vet wants to give booster at end of month....you think she needs that???

check out this thread as i think it will be helpful in deciding

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...oing-them.html

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

yes dogs can get fibrosarcoma from it too but its less common in dogs then it is in cats. i don't know anything about the titers.



Its given as far down the leg as possible so the leg can be amputated to prevent mets. From what i saw the leg was amputated and then chemo was done, but then again i worked in the surgical department so i cannot tell you about the chemo only patients. do you know what type of cancer your friends cocker has?

ok finally got it the cancer was

Hemangiosarcoma

so what do you think?

i just read this sounds like it could be vaccine related to me?

There is no known cause of hemangiosarcoma in other locations. In humans, exposure to certain chemicals such as vinyl chloride has been implicated as a cause.

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by dwerten

ok finally got it the cancer was

Hemangiosarcoma

so what do you think?

i just read this sounds like it could be vaccine related to me?

There is no known cause of hemangiosarcoma in other locations. In humans, exposure to certain chemicals such as vinyl chloride has been implicated as a cause.

the first thing i think of when i hear Hemangio is the spleen. I'd see a lot of splenic masses that came back as hemangio. it was usually in older dogs (6-7 and up) and the mass was fairly large by the time the owners discovered it or the pt exhibited symptoms.

I don't know if dermal hemangio can be vaccine related. I've heard it could be sun related on white haired dogs but i'm not sure. I don't recall what types of cancer we removed from the skin besides mast cell. There were plenty of giant tumors on and under the skin that were quite nasty but i don't remember what kind they were.

Before chemo was done did the vet suggest removing the limb? sometimes with dermal hemangio the mass will come back after removal even with chemo. So the best course of action in some cases is amputation (limbs only obviously) and then chemo.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

the first thing i think of when i hear Hemangio is the spleen. I'd see a lot of splenic masses that came back as hemangio. it was usually in older dogs (6-7 and up) and the mass was fairly large by the time the owners discovered it or the pt exhibited symptoms.

I don't know if dermal hemangio can be vaccine related. I've heard it could be sun related on white haired dogs but i'm not sure. I don't recall what types of cancer we removed from the skin besides mast cell. There were plenty of giant tumors on and under the skin that were quite nasty but i don't remember what kind they were.

Before chemo was done did the vet suggest removing the limb? sometimes with dermal hemangio the mass will come back after removal even with chemo. So the best course of action in some cases is amputation (limbs only obviously) and then chemo.

not sure if he recommended limb removal

He removed it once then it came back as her groomer felt it under skin. Then they did the chemo not sure if he removed a second time though.

It was in the exact spot the rabies was given I believe

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by dwerten

not sure if he recommended limb removal

He removed it once then it came back as her groomer felt it under skin. Then they did the chemo not sure if he removed a second time though.

It was in the exact spot the rabies was given I believe

the location could be a coincidence.

i would think that the vet would have done a needle aspirate before the surgery to see if he could get any cells to evaluate. from the aspirate he might have been able to see if the lump was cancerous before he did the surgery. Then he could have recommended amputation. since we don't know all the details its hard to say what the right thing would have been or what its related to.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

the location could be a coincidence.

i would think that the vet would have done a needle aspirate before the surgery to see if he could get any cells to evaluate. from the aspirate he might have been able to see if the lump was cancerous before he did the surgery. Then he could have recommended amputation. since we don't know all the details its hard to say what the right thing would have been or what its related to.

he did do that before removing it as he knew it was cancer before removing and removed it then it came back a second time. She never said he recommended removing the limb though

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by dwerten

he did do that before removing it as he knew it was cancer before removing and removed it then it came back a second time. She never said he recommended removing the limb though

its odd if he didn't mention it as an option.