RIMADYL side effect = death!?!?!

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Tramadol is for pain,...is not an anti-inflammatory.

Again, I think people need to consult with their vets about what is best for their pups...ask questions about the side effects...and the risk vs the benefit.

i am aware of that so if someone is concerned about pain give the tramadol. I would take some inflammation over the side effects of this drug

I will post the info from fda site- everyone giving this drug should read this and the vet is suppose to give out a client sheet for it as well which many do not

http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/.../ucm093573.htm

http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/.../ucm050105.htm

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

i am aware of that so if someone is concerned about pain give the tramadol. I would take some inflammation over the side effects of this drug

I will post the info from fda site- everyone giving this drug should read this and the vet is suppose to give out a client sheet for it as well which many do not

Veterinary Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDs)

Sometimes an anti-inflammatory is needed! All of this is carefully weighed by vets. They don't just give meds willy nilly in most cases. They know all of the pharmacology very well. Again....carefully asking questions is very important for people taking their pups to a vet. There is no blanket statement such as what you are saying....inflammation can be part of what is causing the pain and you would not be helping that...only putting a bandaid on the problem.

[dwerten]

What Veterinarians Should Tell Clients About Pain Control and Their Pets

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

What Veterinarians Should Tell Clients About Pain Control and Their Pets

and? I believe it pretty much sums up what I said. While you are googling....perhaps you can post a link to the FDA opinions on steroids.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Sometimes an anti-inflammatory is needed! All of this is carefully weighed by vets. They don't just give meds willy nilly in most cases. They know all of the pharmacology very well. Again....carefully asking questions is very important for people taking their pups to a vet. There is no blanket statement such as what you are saying....inflammation can be part of what is causing the pain and you would not be helping that...only putting a bandaid on the problem.

then why is this drug handed out like treats with no instruction or information to client like was in this case here - i doubt the vet discussed side effects, etc to owner just like the vet did not with me and this is a vet that teaches around the country as well that got my dog sick - he swore to me it was safe and it was NOT and my dog was very sick from this - i know you have a good vet but sadly not everyone does also when something goes wrong they are stumped. I disagree many times they listen to the pharmaceutical reps without doing their own research and many do not even hand out the client sheet which is what is suppose to happen.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

and? I believe it pretty much sums up what I said. While you are googling....perhaps you can post a link to the FDA opinions on steroids.

I am aware of steroids have used prednisone with horrible results and prednisolone now for 2 years no real issues so honestly in my experience steroids had much less issues than nsaids for me

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

and? I believe it pretty much sums up what I said. While you are googling....perhaps you can post a link to the FDA opinions on steroids.

so then why do vets not give it out to clients then? or are they not aware of this information?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I believe that was appropriate...first place to go is the vet!

yeah to make sure my dog with perfect blood work 3 days prior to nsaid has now damaged her kidneys and liver with this drug is what they were saying at the company as they are aware it does that obviously

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

then why is this drug handed out like treats with no instruction or information to client like was in this case here - i doubt the vet discussed side effects, etc to owner just like the vet did not with me and this is a vet that teaches around the country as well that got my dog sick - he swore to me it was safe and it was NOT and my dog was very sick from this - i know you have a good vet but sadly not everyone does also when something goes wrong they are stumped. I disagree many times they listen to the pharmaceutical reps without doing their own research and many do not even hand out the client sheet which is what is suppose to happen.

Handed out like treats? I find it extremely hard to believe you said that. I also seriously doubt that many vets would not discuss side effects.

You have one experience and that becomes your standard advice for everyone.??

Yes, I have a good vet....and I believe that most are good some better than others. There is bad in any profession. You just cannot say that they are all as bad as you infer. Well, you can, but I think it is sad that you feel that way.

Your dog had another issue...you finally found out...I really do not think it was from that one dose of Metacam that you continue to insist it was even though you did finally get a diagnosis. Anything is possible, but often things are just very unlikely.

Let us just agree to disagree.

My advice is to consult with a licensed veterinarian about what meds your dog is prescribed and ask about side effects...also read the information on the web. Don't go by what one person says about a medication. Every single medication has side effects!

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

It was already shown that one dose did not do it. I honestly do not think that you will find any real documentation that one dose of an NSAID would do the kind of harm you tout. If it was that dangerous, it would not be used.

Every dog is different...every case is different. When my vet prescribes something I ask questions about why...and if there is something better. We all need to be our pups' advocates. We cannot cookie cutter every diagnosis and medication.

uh yeah it did one dose and vomitting occurred and she was sick for a month sorry i was there and had to take my dog to the specialty hospital after a month of vomitting and diarrhea and then blood in stool. Now granted it was because he mixed steroids with an nsaid BUT IT WAS ONE DOSE OF METACAM ONLY by the VET on and EMPTY STOMACH BY THE VET. So yes ONE DOSE did that much damage and my dog vomitted her kibble every time she ate it so i had to soak her kibble for a month to be able to eat

NSAIDS can perforate a human bowel a couple human pharmacists told me and it is never to be given on empty stomach so why did the vet do this if he is so knowledgeable about NSAIDS more so than a pharmacist and NSAIDS can lead to ulcers in the intestines per pharmacists. I did my homework on all this after my dog was so sick and spoke to several human pharmacists that go to school that only study medications

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

so then why do vets not give it out to clients then? or are they not aware of this information?

Are you serious? You believe a vet could get through vet school and not know basic pharmacology? Your disrespect for the profession astounds me.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

yeah to make sure my dog with perfect blood work 3 days prior to nsaid has now damaged her kidneys and liver with this drug is what they were saying at the company as they are aware it does that obviously

Does she have damaged kidneys and liver??? They were responding to your email or call I am assuming and just advised you in the best way they could without SEEING your dog. A vet needed to SEE your dog.

OK...I am out for the morning.

I have voiced my opinion on medications...and that is enough ... the OP can draw her own conclusions about what to do for her pupster!

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Are you serious? You believe a vet could get through vet school and not know basic pharmacology? Your disrespect for the profession astounds me.

yep i do believe that and i believe they trust pharmaceutical reps just like the medical profession does

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Handed out like treats? I find it extremely hard to believe you said that. I also seriously doubt that many vets would not discuss side effects.

You have one experience and that becomes your standard advice for everyone.??

Yes, I have a good vet....and I believe that most are good some better than others. There is bad in any profession. You just cannot say that they are all as bad as you infer. Well, you can, but I think it is sad that you feel that way.

Your dog had another issue...you finally found out...I really do not think it was from that one dose of Metacam that you continue to insist it was even though you did finally get a diagnosis. Anything is possible, but often things are just very unlikely.

Let us just agree to disagree.

My advice is to consult with a licensed veterinarian about what meds your dog is prescribed and ask about side effects...also read the information on the web. Don't go by what one person says about a medication. Every single medication has side effects!

wrong again -- the clostridium happened due to the antibiotic use after the use of antibiotics for staph and that was a year later so sorry you are incorrect - the metacam incident happened 2/2009 the clostridium happened 1/2010 hardly the same incident but due to damaged intestinal tract anything is possilbe since now she cannot be pilled since metacam with white potato anymore yet for 2 years she was able to get her pills with white potato which is an inflammatory food but after metacam she threw it up every time

[dwerten]

OP did your vet explain to you the side effects of this drug and did your vet give you the client sheet on this drug? I would be very interested to know if your vet did this? Mine did not

also the vet that spay dd and gave it did not and the vet that neutered dex that gave it did not so that is 3 vets that gave me nsaids neither said a word nor gave me any info - why was that ? I guess we can do a poll on here to see whose vet has done that giving out nsaids? I bet it is very small percentage would be my guess