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Old 02-15-2010, 06:55 PM   #1
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Ted had his after surgery check (nasal surgery). He is doing great; yet his reverse sneezing has increased and has a drippy left nostril; so they gave him 5mg prednisone to take every day...until further notice.

I just can't bring myself to give him a pill. So many scary stories. When he was on Temaril, he was dying of thirst, starving, peeing everywhere and panting, and from what I read this will be even more so with the prednisone. Ted already weighs 14 pounds and really can't afford to gain more weight on his little stick legs.

I just don't know. If I don't give it to him and another mass grows, I will never forgive myself (since they are not sure if carrot choking incident caused inflammation or something else). yet if I give it to him and he gets cushings or kidney problems....I just don't know what to do.

Anyone have a wee one on prednisone? Do they take 5mg every day?
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Ted had his after surgery check (nasal surgery). He is doing great; yet his reverse sneezing has increased and has a drippy left nostril; so they gave him 5mg prednisone to take every day...until further notice.

I just can't bring myself to give him a pill. So many scary stories. When he was on Temaril, he was dying of thirst, starving, peeing everywhere and panting, and from what I read this will be even more so with the prednisone. Ted already weighs 14 pounds and really can't afford to gain more weight on his little stick legs.

I just don't know. If I don't give it to him and another mass grows, I will never forgive myself (since they are not sure if carrot choking incident caused inflammation or something else). yet if I give it to him and he gets cushings or kidney problems....I just don't know what to do.

Anyone have a wee one on prednisone? Do they take 5mg every day?
thanx for any suggestions.
i would recommend prednisolone it is broken down pred so liver does not have to work as hard as with prednisone. I saw way more side effects to prednisone than prednisolone. My girl is on 1/2 temaril p every other day so can you start with a low dose and work your way up to see where symptoms stop as i prefer lower doses but i am told over and over dd is on a very low dose - temarilp is 2mg of prednisolone. How much was your dog on to have those side effects as mine has none but i portion feed not free feed
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Thank you Dwerten for responding. They had Ted on 1/2 tab a day when he first developed the nasal problem...then within a week increased it to 1/2 tab twice a day..then he wound up in ER; so stopped altogether; so he was only on it for a week.

Is the Temaril the prednisolone? Or is that totally different? Maybe I'll call specialist back and see if we can try him again on the Temaril P before we try the Prednisone. The Temaril doesn't say a miligram amount on it..just 1/2 tab once or twice a day, but the prednisone is 5mg, and it sounds like a lot.

Thanx for your help. Let me know if Temaril is Prednisolone (with the "L" or it that's totally different.) Thanx so much.
I hate to put him on anything cause he's a zillion times better than he was, but don't want to risk inflammation flaring up again. xo
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Thank you Dwerten for responding. They had Ted on 1/2 tab a day when he first developed the nasal problem...then within a week increased it to 1/2 tab twice a day..then he wound up in ER; so stopped altogether; so he was only on it for a week.

Is the Temaril the prednisolone? Or is that totally different? Maybe I'll call specialist back and see if we can try him again on the Temaril P before we try the Prednisone. The Temaril doesn't say a miligram amount on it..just 1/2 tab once or twice a day, but the prednisone is 5mg, and it sounds like a lot.

Thanx for your help. Let me know if Temaril is Prednisolone (with the "L" or it that's totally different.) Thanx so much.
I hate to put him on anything cause he's a zillion times better than he was, but don't want to risk inflammation flaring up again. xo
2mg of prednisolone is in the temarilp and it is mixed with tavist - why was he in ER from temarilp ? Yes the 5mg is alot - my girl was on 5mg a week of prednisone and she looked horrible after a few months. I would work my way up and go slowly up rather than the big whammy myself - some vets tend to go to high on meds i think

http://www.1800petmeds.com/Temaril+P-prod10406.html

http://www.1800petmeds.com/Prednisolone-prod238154.html

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Thanx, again. I will call specialty group in the morning and tell them I'm just not comfortable with 5mg prednisone.

No, he wasn't in ER from the Tamaril. He wound up in ER cause after a month of screeching nose problems, three vet visits, antihistamines, antibiotics, and Temaril, his breathing just kept getting worse. Turned out he had a mast tumor in the back of his nose. He just had surgery three weeks ago to remove and today was his check-up and they want to put him on the steroid to see if it helps with his lingering nasal discharge and reverse sneezing.

Thanx so much for your help. You're always first in line to help all of us panicked mums. xo
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Thanx, again. I will call specialty group in the morning and tell them I'm just not comfortable with 5mg prednisone.

No, he wasn't in ER from the Tamaril. He wound up in ER cause after a month of screeching nose problems, three vet visits, antihistamines, antibiotics, and Temaril, his breathing just kept getting worse. Turned out he had a mast tumor in the back of his nose. He just had surgery three weeks ago to remove and today was his check-up and they want to put him on the steroid to see if it helps with his lingering nasal discharge and reverse sneezing.

Thanx so much for your help. You're always first in line to help all of us panicked mums. xo
ok as was going to be shocked about temarilp as steroids can trigger pancreatitis but it is rare and dd has been on temarilp for over 2 years now and fine and perfect blood work. I would think the temaril would be best if they think allergies are tied to it as it has an antihistamine in it

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Prednisone does have its uses and I would have a long talk with my vet about this. I am not crazy about giving pred, but if the vet can give me good reason to use it, then I am ok with it. Matter of fact, my allergy pup has been really having problems with allergies and a staph infection....it increased drastically starting yesterday so I had no problem when a pred injection was suggested today. He has been on Temaril P for years without any problem at all. Once in a while...maybe once or twice/year he gets out of control like this and needs extra pred.

Dogs can get Cushings from over administration of prednisone, but it is reversible if the pred is stopped.

Yes, steroids do have many side effects....it all comes down to a balancing act. You have to weigh everything....you really need to know exactly why the vet feels that this dosage for an unlimited period of time is necessary. Like you said, you will feel awful if you don't do it and something happens.

Long talk with vet is definitely in order. Good luck!
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if they are thinking temaril is not strong enough then go to prednisolone and ask about that as that is easier for liver to break down and then the strongest is prednisone

does your dog have any liver issues ?
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Thank you Dwerten and Lady Jane. I think the vet just decided to try this since Ted's nose problem was a mystery. No previous allergies. I had thought a choking incident caused it since it started shortly after he choked on carrot. I feel much better after hearing from both of you. I will ask if we can try the Temaril first; since he had only taken it for less than a week (with no relief, cause it can't cure a tumor mass). Naturally today Ted has not reversed sneezed once or had a drippy nostril all day. Hope both your doggies are doing well. I appreciate your help. luv corrinne
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Thank you Dwerten and Lady Jane. I think the vet just decided to try this since Ted's nose problem was a mystery. No previous allergies. I had thought a choking incident caused it since it started shortly after he choked on carrot. I feel much better after hearing from both of you. I will ask if we can try the Temaril first; since he had only taken it for less than a week (with no relief, cause it can't cure a tumor mass). Naturally today Ted has not reversed sneezed once or had a drippy nostril all day. Hope both your doggies are doing well. I appreciate your help. luv corrinne
so glad he is feeling better and hey i just noticed you live by me
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Hi, Dwerten. Where do you live? Looking for a new vet for Ted. Right now he's being seen at the Animal Specialty Group in glendale for his present condition but they are for specialty purposes only. Nervous to call them right now cause I know they're probably going to tell me to try him on these steroids first...though they have been so great throughout this whole ordeal. Your little ones are so cute. They must keep you so busy. Just dealing with this one incident with Ted has me worn to the bone. Anyway, nice to meet you. Nice to have a local to look to for advice. luv corrinne
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Hi, Dwerten. Where do you live? Looking for a new vet for Ted. Right now he's being seen at the Animal Specialty Group in glendale for his present condition but they are for specialty purposes only. Nervous to call them right now cause I know they're probably going to tell me to try him on these steroids first...though they have been so great throughout this whole ordeal. Your little ones are so cute. They must keep you so busy. Just dealing with this one incident with Ted has me worn to the bone. Anyway, nice to meet you. Nice to have a local to look to for advice. luv corrinne
actually i tend to deal more with specialists and my friend is going to where you are going for her gme dog and loves that place. What specialist are you seeing there is it a dermatologist for that or internal medicine? Mardelin who is on here lives in santa clarita and seems to like her vet so you may want to pm her as i am about 1 1/2 hrs from you
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Ted is seeing Dr. Winters and his surgeon was Dr. Bilbery. It really is a great facility and they are very thorough and attentive. He's seeing internal med doc. They said his case was rare and rather than going through his nose, they cut into the soft palate, but couldn't get the mass out; so then had to cut the hard too. Surgeon thought it would be better to go this route than to go through top of nose where all the sensitive nasal receptors are. Now the worry is what caused it to begin with and to prevent it from happening again. He was fine, then choked, then two days later all this started, and three vet visits later, and two ER visits we wound up at specialty group for CT and Rhinoscopy and they discovered a large mass at back of nose, but after all biopsy and fungal tests it is not diseased. There's a chance the infammation was caused by the choking, and that's what makes me reluctant to put him on steroids. SO CONFUSED. Thanks for caring. I appreciate your knowledge. xo
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Ted is seeing Dr. Winters and his surgeon was Dr. Bilbery. It really is a great facility and they are very thorough and attentive. He's seeing internal med doc. They said his case was rare and rather than going through his nose, they cut into the soft palate, but couldn't get the mass out; so then had to cut the hard too. Surgeon thought it would be better to go this route than to go through top of nose where all the sensitive nasal receptors are. Now the worry is what caused it to begin with and to prevent it from happening again. He was fine, then choked, then two days later all this started, and three vet visits later, and two ER visits we wound up at specialty group for CT and Rhinoscopy and they discovered a large mass at back of nose, but after all biopsy and fungal tests it is not diseased. There's a chance the infammation was caused by the choking, and that's what makes me reluctant to put him on steroids. SO CONFUSED. Thanks for caring. I appreciate your knowledge. xo
wow that is a tough one poor thing and you as well - i know how hard it is when you have a sick one - i just hope there is a light at end of tunnel for you guys quickly. I would not be afraid of the steroids though if it keeps the inflammation down.

How old is he? as a mass that is scary - i would stick with specialists with this condition since it is rare

also if they are great and you trust them that is half the battle just discuss everything with them until you feel 100% comfortable as i always discuss thoroughly and go with my gut feeling with mine

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Hi, Dwerten. Where do you live? Looking for a new vet for Ted. Right now he's being seen at the Animal Specialty Group in glendale for his present condition but they are for specialty purposes only. Nervous to call them right now cause I know they're probably going to tell me to try him on these steroids first...though they have been so great throughout this whole ordeal. Your little ones are so cute. They must keep you so busy. Just dealing with this one incident with Ted has me worn to the bone. Anyway, nice to meet you. Nice to have a local to look to for advice. luv corrinne

Corrine, if you are nervous about calling because you believe they are going to insist you try this, then I suggest you definitely call them. Most vets these days shy away from the use of steroids unless absolutely necessary.

You really need to speak with them about your concerns and find out EXACTLY why they are prescribing this medication. I am quite sure they do not intend to use it long term.

Just calling them does not mean you HAVE to follow their directions....I just think you should hear them out for Ted's sake.

You are letting fear get in the way here and it is not a good idea to NOT follow a vet's advice unless you KNOW it is bad advice. Listen closely to what they tell you and THEN make your decision. Don't let things you read on the internet make you shy away from something...share it with your vet and, as I said, make a well informed decision! It is good to read and learn, but you need to discuss with your veternarian!
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