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mly 02-22-2010 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3013638)
how is she feeling the last few days any improvement?

Same, some days she seems to have more energy than other days. She's actually going up the stairs now though.

lillymae 02-22-2010 03:58 PM
Yep, I knew in my gut when I saw her pic that's what she had. I think she has it a bit worse then Sassy did. Sassy was 5 yrs when she was diagnosed and she did have good days and bad days. More good then bad though. It's kind of important to keep her stress level down as much as you can. And stress doesn't have to mean bad things. Going places even when she loves it can cause too much excitement for her and that is also a form of stress. I gotta go feed my kids I will be back after 5:00
. Also you need to baby gate the stairs and don't let her go up or down them by herself anymore as this jolts her skelital system.

dwerten 02-22-2010 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3013654)
Same, some days she seems to have more energy than other days. She's actually going up the stairs now though.
well that is a little improvement :) we will take any little improvement here :) seems like it is all affecting mostly her right side from what i am reading - how long did he say it would take for seeing more improvement

mly 02-22-2010 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3013730)
well that is a little improvement :) we will take any little improvement here :) seems like it is all affecting mostly her right side from what i am reading - how long did he say it would take for seeing more improvement

He said 7-10 days and it's been longer than that :confused:
So, I don't know what else to expect.

dwerten 02-22-2010 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3013722)
Yep, I knew in my gut when I saw her pic that's what she had. I think she has it a bit worse then Sassy did. Sassy was 5 yrs when she was diagnosed and she did have good days and bad days. More good then bad though. It's kind of important to keep her stress level down as much as you can. And stress doesn't have to mean bad things. Going places even when she loves it can cause too much excitement for her and that is also a form of stress. I gotta go feed my kids I will be back after 5:00
. Also you need to baby gate the stairs and don't let her go up or down them by herself anymore as this jolts her skelital system.
that makes sense about the stairs - if you want to relax her one thing we use as allergies release histamines so dh likes easy listening music it is wierd but it works it relaxes them and my cousin uses this for her dogs that get stressed from thunder and fire works so maybe try it out as well if you like it :)

I have to do the same with dex he stays home all the time as he gets too stressed pants, vomits, etc in car etc so I like to keep his stress level down so better to just keep him home

dwerten 02-22-2010 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3013733)
He said 7-10 days and it's been longer than that :confused:
So, I don't know what else to expect.
wasn't he trying to determine between gme and ne and he said meds would determine which it was so maybe give him a call after 10 days and give a report and see what his thoughts are on this. Does he take email or faxes of updates for the file as you may want to report weekly what is going on so he can see the trend

mly 02-22-2010 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3013737)
wasn't he trying to determine between gme and ne and he said meds would determine which it was so maybe give him a call after 10 days and give a report and see what his thoughts are on this. Does he take email or faxes of updates for the file as you may want to report weekly what is going on so he can see the trend
yeah but it's weird because i don't see either one of those in the medical notes unless there's also a different name for it. I have to call him back after tomorrow anyways since it's been 2 weeks since she's on her meds and i need to know if i should keep her on the dosage or not.

lilymae, did you see any changes in your little girl after awhile on her meds? was her head still tilted?

I'm not sure what to look for to tell if she's doing better or not. She's always been "lazy" and would sleep all day if i slept all day.

lillymae 02-22-2010 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3013766)
yeah but it's weird because i don't see either one of those in the medical notes unless there's also a different name for it. I have to call him back after tomorrow anyways since it's been 2 weeks since she's on her meds and i need to know if i should keep her on the dosage or not.

lilymae, did you see any changes in your little girl after awhile on her meds? was her head still tilted?

I'm not sure what to look for to tell if she's doing better or not. She's always been "lazy" and would sleep all day if i slept all day.
Yes her head was still tilted after meds. After diagnosis we looked at every pic taken of her from puppy hood to that point and even her puppy pics she had a slight tilt to the left. We just thought she was doing it on purpose. You know how they turn their head as if to say " who me ". Unfortunately that was not the case. Also I'm wondering if her Omeprazole dose is high enough. It it used to slow down the spinal fluid so if the dose is correct it should have worked by now. I would ask about upping the dose on that. The laziness you talk about is all a part of it too. Does she lay with her head propped up on something often?

dwerten 02-22-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3013855)
Yes her head was still tilted after meds. After diagnosis we looked at every pic taken of her from puppy hood to that point and even her puppy pics she had a slight tilt to the left. We just thought she was doing it on purpose. You know how they turn their head as if to say " who me ". Unfortunately that was not the case. Also I'm wondering if her Omeprazole dose is high enough. It it used to slow down the spinal fluid so if the dose is correct it should have worked by now. I would ask about upping the dose on that. The laziness you talk about is all a part of it too. Does she lay with her head propped up on something often?
bummer so the meds do not stop the head tilt ? how sad :( poor baby

143julz 02-22-2010 05:57 PM
Just checking up on your baby, hope the meds kick in soon.
Looks like you have some support from lillymae's experience...
Good luck and keep us posted

lillymae 02-22-2010 06:01 PM
Everything looks basically the same except slightly more severe and bella is right and Sassy was left . She also should not be allowed to jump on and off the furniture ( Ever ) and when you have to go somewhere you need to confine her to a room with nothing she can jump on and off of. I lock mine in the kitchen always when I go places. I have a very large kitchen and I just put the beds in there and water is already in there. That's the safest thing for her. Sassy would sometimes stumble and I think most do so stairs are especially dangerous. and I know she's very low to the ground but elevate her food and water bowl so she doesn't have to stress her neck anymore then need be.

lillymae 02-22-2010 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3013860)
bummer so the meds do not stop the head tilt ? how sad :( poor baby
Well , they didn't in Sassy but every dog is diff as no 2 deformities are exactly alike. Only time will tell. Is Bella doing any better as far as what you were thinking in beginning was a sight problem ?

dwerten 02-22-2010 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3013880)
Everything looks basically the same except slightly more severe and bella is right and Sassy was left . She also should not be allowed to jump on and off the furniture ( Ever ) and when you have to go somewhere you need to confine her to a room with nothing she can jump on and off of. I lock mine in the kitchen always when I go places. I have a very large kitchen and I just put the beds in there and water is already in there. That's the safest thing for her. Sassy would sometimes stumble and I think most do so stairs are especially dangerous. and I know she's very low to the ground but elevate her food and water bowl so she doesn't have to stress her neck anymore then need be.
good idea

mly 02-22-2010 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3013855)
Yes her head was still tilted after meds. After diagnosis we looked at every pic taken of her from puppy hood to that point and even her puppy pics she had a slight tilt to the left. We just thought she was doing it on purpose. You know how they turn their head as if to say " who me ". Unfortunately that was not the case. Also I'm wondering if her Omeprazole dose is high enough. It it used to slow down the spinal fluid so if the dose is correct it should have worked by now. I would ask about upping the dose on that. The laziness you talk about is all a part of it too. Does she lay with her head propped up on something often?
it's funny you mentioned her head being propped up on something. she likes to have it that way or i just do it for her. if she's on my lap and my arm is down, she'll put her head on top of it. when she's on the floor, she'll lay down and sometimes on the bed she'll sleep without anything propping up her head but if the blanket is close to her she'll put her head on top of it. I'm not sure if she would prefer one or the other because most of the times, i'm the one putting something under her head. What would if mean anyways?

mly 02-22-2010 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3013880)
Everything looks basically the same except slightly more severe and bella is right and Sassy was left . She also should not be allowed to jump on and off the furniture ( Ever ) and when you have to go somewhere you need to confine her to a room with nothing she can jump on and off of. I lock mine in the kitchen always when I go places. I have a very large kitchen and I just put the beds in there and water is already in there. That's the safest thing for her. Sassy would sometimes stumble and I think most do so stairs are especially dangerous. and I know she's very low to the ground but elevate her food and water bowl so she doesn't have to stress her neck anymore then need be.
the neuro actually mentioned something about elevating her food bowl if we've noticed she's having any pain with her neck. We haven't done it yet but i guess it wouldn't hurt if we did.

lillymae 02-22-2010 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3014145)
it's funny you mentioned her head being propped up on something. she likes to have it that way or i just do it for her. if she's on my lap and my arm is down, she'll put her head on top of it. when she's on the floor, she'll lay down and sometimes on the bed she'll sleep without anything propping up her head but if the blanket is close to her she'll put her head on top of it. I'm not sure if she would prefer one or the other because most of the times, i'm the one putting something under her head. What would if mean anyways?
It's just something lots of them do to take pressure off the neck. Sassy always did this.

lillymae 02-22-2010 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3014150)
the neuro actually mentioned something about elevating her food bowl if we've noticed she's having any pain with her neck. We haven't done it yet but i guess it wouldn't hurt if we did.
Yes you should elevate , remember there is a herniation in there.

mly 02-22-2010 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3010250)
Also my dog had some wheezing and am pretty sure that's what the Theophylline was for. And I know what Deb means by Rude. That's how they are at WSU when you call but when you get there it's a whole diff story. And I think I figured out why you have a say so in who treats your pet at WSU also. Because they are only place here to get an MRI and lots of other things. Maybe that's the reason for getting to choose.
Bella had some wheezing also but since i'm pregnant, i get hot at night so i leave the window open and i thought she might have gotten sick from that. She would be wheezing then use both side of her arms to rub her face/nose (?) and sometimes would also do it on the floor. I remember mentioning this before and also thought it would be normal dog behavior...like what she would do after a bath except with her arms to her face also.

lillymae 02-22-2010 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3014170)
Bella had some wheezing also but since i'm pregnant, i get hot at night so i leave the window open and i thought she might have gotten sick from that. She would be wheezing then use both side of her arms to rub her face/nose (?) and sometimes would also do it on the floor. I remember mentioning this before and also thought it would be normal dog behavior...like what she would do after a bath except with her arms to her face also.
Wheezing can ba a part of it . Sassy had severe wheezing is Bellas severe.

mly 02-22-2010 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3014179)
Wheezing can ba a part of it . Sassy had severe wheezing is Bellas severe.
I haven't noticed it for maybe a week or so.

Another thing..I've noticed Bella's been loosing hair on top of her head. I was thinking maybe she might have a thyroid problem as well but while going through her med notes, it says nothing was found. Did yours loose hair? I will try to take some photos tomorrow to show you what i mean. Sometimes I'll find a chunk of hair here and there. I've noticed it's only her head also and no where else.

lillymae 02-22-2010 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3014206)
I haven't noticed it for maybe a week or so.

Another thing..I've noticed Bella's been loosing hair on top of her head. I was thinking maybe she might have a thyroid problem as well but while going through her med notes, it says nothing was found. Did yours loose hair? I will try to take some photos tomorrow to show you what i mean. Sometimes I'll find a chunk of hair here and there. I've noticed it's only her head also and no where else.
No she never had hair loss and if her wheezing is not severe then she should not need meds for it.. Has she been rubbing at the top of her head?

mly 02-22-2010 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3014218)
No she never had hair loss and if her wheezing is not severe then she should not need meds for it.. Has she been rubbing at the top of her head?
Not that i've noticed. she lost alot of hair by her ears and the side of her head.

lillymae 02-22-2010 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3014220)
Not that i've noticed. she lost alot of hair by her ears and the side of her head.
Hmmm, is it on her bad side ? if so it could be lack of circulation.
I deff think you need to talk with the vet about upping her Omeprizole as she weighs more then Sassy did at onset and Sassy was on a much higher dose all along. I'm thinking she took 1/4 tab 2X a day. I will call the vet tomorrow and ask for sure. The hair loss could be side effect of her meds also.

mly 02-22-2010 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3014234)
Hmmm, is it on her bad side ? if so it could be lack of circulation.
I deff think you need to talk with the vet about upping her Omeprizole as she weighs more then Sassy did at onset and Sassy was on a much higher dose all along. I'm thinking she took 1/4 tab 2X a day. I will call the vet tomorrow and ask for sure. The hair loss could be side effect of her meds also.
No it's on both sides and I've noticed it before she started any meds. She's only on the omeprizole once a day. Since sassy was on the tablet, instead of liquid...can you find out how much mg was in the tablet. I remembered you saying you got it at walmart so it must be 10mg or higher which is alot more than what i'm giving Bella.

AbbysMom08 02-22-2010 10:37 PM
Lillymae, I am so glad that mly has found someone (you) on this site that knows what her little Bella is going through and can help her and answer her questions. This just goes to prove what I have said all along. There are so many caring, knowledgeable, and supportive people on Yorkie Talk.
Thank you for being one of them:)

lillymae 02-22-2010 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AbbysMom08 (Post 3014241)
Lillymae, I am so glad that mly has found someone (you) on this site that knows what her little Bella is going through and can help her and answer her questions. This just goes to prove what I have said all along. There are so many caring, knowledgeable, and supportive people on Yorkie Talk.
Thank you for being one of them:)
Yes, and unfortunately this becoming more common in yorkies.

lillymae 02-22-2010 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3014240)
No it's on both sides and I've noticed it before she started any meds. She's only on the omeprizole once a day. Since sassy was on the tablet, instead of liquid...can you find out how much mg was in the tablet. I remembered you saying you got it at walmart so it must be 10mg or higher which is alot more than what i'm giving Bella.
The tabs are 20 mg so if she took 1 dose a day she took 5 mg a day if she took 2 doses a day she took 10 mg a day as they were quartered. I just can't remember for sure if it was 1 dose or 2. I will deff call the vet tomorrow and find out for sure.
Even if it was only 1 dose a day that's more then Bella is on now. I truly believe the proper doses of her meds is why she lived so long.

mly 02-22-2010 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3014246)
The tabs are 20 mg so if she took 1 dose a day she took 5 mg a day if she took 2 doses a day she took 10 mg a day as they were quartered. I just can't remember for sure if it was 1 dose or 2. I will deff call the vet tomorrow and find out for sure.
Even if it was only 1 dose a day that's more then Bella is on now. I truly believe the proper doses of her meds is why she lived so long.
Wow! that is such a big difference. I was looking at a website which tells you the dosage for a dog and it says .25-.5mg/pound every 24 hours. i figured the neuro is starting with the lowest dosage because bella is taking 1.25mg/day and that would make sense. I was thinking about asking the neuro to up the dosage but 10mg is alot since it should only be 2.5mg for a 5 lb dog. Here's the website

The Use of Omeprazole (Prilosec) in Dogs and Cats

lillymae 02-22-2010 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mly (Post 3014249)
Wow! that is such a big difference. I was looking at a website which tells you the dosage for a dog and it says .25-.5mg/pound every 24 hours. i figured the neuro is starting with the lowest dosage because bella is taking 1.25mg/day and that would make sense. I was thinking about asking the neuro to up the dosage but 10mg is alot since it should only be 2.5mg for a 5 lb dog. Here's the website

The Use of Omeprazole (Prilosec) in Dogs and Cats
Yes , but we are talking about slowing spinal fliud so that chart probably does not pertain to this. Sassys dose was the same always even in the beginning. I will check out the chart then I'm off to bed. I will call vet and post as soon as I can in the A.M.

mly 02-22-2010 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lillymae (Post 3014253)
Yes , but we are talking about slowing spinal fliud so that chart probably does not pertain to this. Sassys dose was the same always even in the beginning. I will check out the chart then I'm off to bed. I will call vet and post as soon as I can in the A.M.
Thanks, I will ask the neuro as well. I'm off to bed also.


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