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Baron · 10-06-2005, 04:01 PM

Call your vet and ask what time the test will be. For the Bile acid test is is a 12 hour fast, draw the blood, then feed them and wait 2 hours before drawing the blood again. Her symptoms do sound like some of those that are known for Liver shunt, but then there are a lot of other problems that have the same symptoms too. I just hope that she does not keep having seziures and hurt herself before they find the problem. My prayers are with you, and Roxy over this.

Beachitmom · 10-06-2005, 04:12 PM

Thanks for your help. I will call the vet.
You think it sounds like she has a shunt? I hope not. I feel the same way as you though, I hope she doesn't hurt herself. It's the scariest thing. It feels like I am in a bad dream. I am so glad I have Yorkie Talk to vent to. People that aren't animal lovers don't understand the pain is the same as it is for a human that is sick. I am very thankful for all of the caring people here!
I will keep posting throught the night. It helps me keep it together.
Roxy's mom

Maria

Baron · 10-06-2005, 05:00 PM

I wouldn't venture to guess what it could be, there are so many things that have similar symptoms, and until the vet does the tests there is no way of knowing for sure.

yorkiegirl2 · 10-06-2005, 05:33 PM

Maria, I'm sorry to hear your going through this with your baby and I hope they find out what is causing them. The little dog scooter I had did the same thing and they are terrible to see. You feel so helpless and yes they go throught not knowing where they are at or who you are. His were so severe he was having them every hour to every two hours. I thought for sure he was going to die or be brain damaged but he wasn't. The only thing to watch out for is if they don't come out of the seizure, that can kill them. The vet start him on Phenobarbital that didn't stop them and he had to add Potassium bromide. I also changed his dog food from royal caine to puppy chow. His seizures stopped. I think you said you were feeing your the royal caine and it also make me wonder if this is some kind of reaction to the food as well. It took about 3-4 day after I stopped feeding the royal canie for the seizure to stop. The vet said scooters were unknown but he also said it could have been from the breeder, breeding a half brother/half sister together too. So, I never found out the cause. Here is a website that you may find quite a bit of information on seizures..there is a Dr.Dodd that is studying seizures you may want to see if you vet will get in touch with her.
INSTRUCTIONS FOR PREPARING AND SENDING SPECIMENS TO
DR. W. JEAN DODDS NON-PROFIT RESEARCH STUDY

To print this form click on file, then select print. Revised 2/11/05

THYROID PROFILE (D8T) 6-PANEL TEST
Collect 3 to 5 ml of blood. Add to red top-tube (or serum separator tube (SST), unless measuring drug levels). Allow to clot and centrifuge to separate serum. DO NOT SEND UN-SEPARATED BLOOD. Transfer serum to empty red-top or plastic tube (1.5 ml serum is required for the Thyroid Antibody test). NOTE: If your dog is already on thyroid medication the blood should be drawn 5 hours after giving the thyroid medication. This test includes T3, T4, Free T3, Free T4, T3 auto antibodies and T4 auto antibodies.
*NOTE: For Testing Purposes ONLY - Thyroid medication must be given 30 minutes before food.
$57.50
TgAA add on to D8T (for genetic screening) $25.00
PHENOBARBITAL PROFILE #5624
Blood sample should be drawn 4 to 6 hours after giving medication. 1.5 ml of serum is required. Please use red-top tube, not SST tube. $41.00
POTASSIUM BROMIDE PROFILE #16120
1.5 ml of serum is required. Please use red-top tube, not SST tube. $49.00
Serum Bile Acid Test - Pre and post eating
Collect 1 cc of separated serum for each sample. Fast 12 hours before first sample. Feed fatty meal such as 1/2 can of dog food and collect post sample 2 hours later. $40.00
Urine Bile Acid Test #85645
3ml of Urine collected 4 to 5 hours after eating $39.00
PROFILE #7200 CBC, DIFFERENTIAL, SUPERCHEM (includes liver enzymes) AND D8T THYROID
Send 1 ml whole blood in LLT (Lavender top tube or EDTA and 1.5 ml of separated serum as described for D8T thyroid. Include ice pack when shipping for whole blood, but do not freeze sample. $79.50
PROFILE #SA150 DISTEMPER VACCINE / PARVO VACCINE TITERS
Send 1 ml of separated serum $33.00
CBC, Differential & Superchem (includes Liver Enzymes) (SA020)
Send 1 mL whole blood in lavender-top tube (EDTA) AND 1.5 mL separated serum. Include ice pack when shipping for whole blood, but do not freeze sample. (SuperChem only (no CBC or Diff.) SA010 $45.00) $49.00
RABIES TITER #S16685
Send 1.5 ml of separated serum in red top or plastic tube
Note: 10 - 20 Days Processing Time $73.00
HEARTWORM TITER #T615
Send 0.5 ml of separated serum
If added to any tests above $8.50
OTHER VACCINE TITERS (Call Hemopet 714-891-2022 for information)
OTHER TESTS (Call Hemopet 714-891-2022 for information)

Reminder: These lab profiles are being offered as part of a collaborative research project on thyroid, metabolism, behavioral and seizure disorders. Special prices have been assigned to these tests. Your veterinarian will charge an additional amount to cover drawing blood, preparing the blood, record keeping and overhead. Please respect their needs.

Please prepare the specimen according to the directions for each test. Pack vial(s) in a small sturdy cardboard box with padding to cushion vial(s), and ship via Post Office Express mail or Federal Express next afternoon to:

W. Jean Dodds, DVM
Hemopet
11330 Markon Drive
Garden Grove, CA. 92841

Hemopet, a non-profit organization, will submit the samples to a qualified reference lab for analysis. Dr. Dodds will interpret the results and provide written interpretation and recommendations to your vet.

Dr. Dodds can be reached from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM Pacific Time, at the following numbers:

Day of Week
Phone Fax
Monday, Tuesday and Friday 310-828-4804 310-828-8251
Wednesday and Thursday 714-891-2022 714-891-2123

Here is the site to http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-...m/site_map.htm

I hope this help you...I be thinking of you and your baby...
Sherry

Beachitmom · 10-06-2005, 05:37 PM

Roxy had another seizure at 9:15pm. This is getting to be too much for me. I called the vet right before she had it at 8:30 and they said it would be OK to give her the valium before she was due at 10pm. I stopped feeding her then for her fast. I don't understand why the valium didn't help. I think I might call the emergency hospital. I just don't think I can afford it. Tommorws tests come to $250.00. I can't imagine how much an emergency hospital is. Plus, if God forbid, she needs liver shunt surgery. I have so many emotions going through me.
Roxy's Mom,
Maria

Beachitmom · 10-06-2005, 05:41 PM

Thank you, Sherry. Is scooter still around? Did the seizures stop altogether with the meds?
Maria

yorkiegirl2 · 10-06-2005, 05:58 PM

As far as I know he is seizure free. Scooter was 5 1/2 month old when I got him..I bought him for a breeder. I had him 2 month when the seizures started. I spent 500 to get him lined out and then placed him with a DR. and his wife who is a nurse. The royal canine food has me wondering, because that was what Scooter was on too. And the seizures stopped when I took him off it. I change him to puppy chow. So I don't know if it was the meds or stopping the food too that helped. The valium never seem to help or stop the seizure. His liver test came out fine no liver shunt...Sherry

Beachitmom · 10-06-2005, 06:18 PM

Roxy had her first seizures when she was four months old. She was staying with my sister in law. She was not eating Royal Canin at that time, so I do not think it is the food. Also, she has been eating that food for a while now and the first time I ever saw her have a seizure was last night. I will mention it to the vet tomorrow though. If there is any chance that the food causes it, I will change her food.

Beachitmom · 10-06-2005, 07:00 PM

Roxy had her 7th seizure at 10:40pm. Called the emergency hospital. No way I can afford to take her there and have the tests done tommorrow. I wish the seizures would just stop!

yorkieusa · 10-06-2005, 07:25 PM

I'm so sorry they have continued. It is awful to watch and feel totally helpless. I hope the rest of your night isn't as bad.

YorkieLady · 10-06-2005, 08:08 PM

I am so sorry to hear about your dog. My little chihuahua had one seizure a few weeks ago, and I'm still not over it. It totally freaked me out. I thought she was going to die.
I'll be keeping the both of you in my thoughts and prayers and hope you find out what's causing them. Bless your hearts.

HeatherW · 10-06-2005, 08:28 PM

I am so sorry about what you are going through...I will keep you both in my thoughts and prayers!

chechinmipo · 10-06-2005, 09:00 PM

OMG! What an ordeal. I hope this comes to an end soon for both you and your baby with the best possible outcome for you both.

YorkieShadow · 10-06-2005, 09:32 PM

Im so sorry to hear about your babie. It must be so hard on both of you. I will keep your babie in my prayers.

Breeze · 10-06-2005, 10:01 PM

My heart goes out to you and Roxy, sending healing vibes her way and hugs for you.

10-06-2005, 05:37 PM	#20
Beachitmom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 72	6th seizure Roxy had another seizure at 9:15pm. This is getting to be too much for me. I called the vet right before she had it at 8:30 and they said it would be OK to give her the valium before she was due at 10pm. I stopped feeding her then for her fast. I don't understand why the valium didn't help. I think I might call the emergency hospital. I just don't think I can afford it. Tommorws tests come to $250.00. I can't imagine how much an emergency hospital is. Plus, if God forbid, she needs liver shunt surgery. I have so many emotions going through me. Roxy's Mom, Maria

10-06-2005, 07:00 PM	#24
Beachitmom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 72	7th seizure Roxy had her 7th seizure at 10:40pm. Called the emergency hospital. No way I can afford to take her there and have the tests done tommorrow. I wish the seizures would just stop!

10-06-2005, 07:25 PM	#25
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10-06-2005, 08:28 PM	#27
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10-06-2005, 04:01 PM	#16
Baron Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 216	Call your vet and ask what time the test will be. For the Bile acid test is is a 12 hour fast, draw the blood, then feed them and wait 2 hours before drawing the blood again. Her symptoms do sound like some of those that are known for Liver shunt, but then there are a lot of other problems that have the same symptoms too. I just hope that she does not keep having seziures and hurt herself before they find the problem. My prayers are with you, and Roxy over this.

10-06-2005, 04:12 PM	#17
Beachitmom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 72	Thanks for your help. I will call the vet. You think it sounds like she has a shunt? I hope not. I feel the same way as you though, I hope she doesn't hurt herself. It's the scariest thing. It feels like I am in a bad dream. I am so glad I have Yorkie Talk to vent to. People that aren't animal lovers don't understand the pain is the same as it is for a human that is sick. I am very thankful for all of the caring people here! I will keep posting throught the night. It helps me keep it together. Roxy's mom Maria

10-06-2005, 05:00 PM	#18
Baron Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 216	I wouldn't venture to guess what it could be, there are so many things that have similar symptoms, and until the vet does the tests there is no way of knowing for sure.

10-06-2005, 05:33 PM	#19
yorkiegirl2 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,394	Maria, I'm sorry to hear your going through this with your baby and I hope they find out what is causing them. The little dog scooter I had did the same thing and they are terrible to see. You feel so helpless and yes they go throught not knowing where they are at or who you are. His were so severe he was having them every hour to every two hours. I thought for sure he was going to die or be brain damaged but he wasn't. The only thing to watch out for is if they don't come out of the seizure, that can kill them. The vet start him on Phenobarbital that didn't stop them and he had to add Potassium bromide. I also changed his dog food from royal caine to puppy chow. His seizures stopped. I think you said you were feeing your the royal caine and it also make me wonder if this is some kind of reaction to the food as well. It took about 3-4 day after I stopped feeding the royal canie for the seizure to stop. The vet said scooters were unknown but he also said it could have been from the breeder, breeding a half brother/half sister together too. So, I never found out the cause. Here is a website that you may find quite a bit of information on seizures..there is a Dr.Dodd that is studying seizures you may want to see if you vet will get in touch with her. INSTRUCTIONS FOR PREPARING AND SENDING SPECIMENS TO DR. W. JEAN DODDS NON-PROFIT RESEARCH STUDY To print this form click on file, then select print. Revised 2/11/05 THYROID PROFILE (D8T) 6-PANEL TEST Collect 3 to 5 ml of blood. Add to red top-tube (or serum separator tube (SST), unless measuring drug levels). Allow to clot and centrifuge to separate serum. DO NOT SEND UN-SEPARATED BLOOD. Transfer serum to empty red-top or plastic tube (1.5 ml serum is required for the Thyroid Antibody test). NOTE: If your dog is already on thyroid medication the blood should be drawn 5 hours after giving the thyroid medication. This test includes T3, T4, Free T3, Free T4, T3 auto antibodies and T4 auto antibodies. *NOTE: For Testing Purposes ONLY - Thyroid medication must be given 30 minutes before food. $57.50 TgAA add on to D8T (for genetic screening) $25.00 PHENOBARBITAL PROFILE #5624 Blood sample should be drawn 4 to 6 hours after giving medication. 1.5 ml of serum is required. Please use red-top tube, not SST tube. $41.00 POTASSIUM BROMIDE PROFILE #16120 1.5 ml of serum is required. Please use red-top tube, not SST tube. $49.00 Serum Bile Acid Test - Pre and post eating Collect 1 cc of separated serum for each sample. Fast 12 hours before first sample. Feed fatty meal such as 1/2 can of dog food and collect post sample 2 hours later. $40.00 Urine Bile Acid Test #85645 3ml of Urine collected 4 to 5 hours after eating $39.00 PROFILE #7200 CBC, DIFFERENTIAL, SUPERCHEM (includes liver enzymes) AND D8T THYROID Send 1 ml whole blood in LLT (Lavender top tube or EDTA and 1.5 ml of separated serum as described for D8T thyroid. Include ice pack when shipping for whole blood, but do not freeze sample. $79.50 PROFILE #SA150 DISTEMPER VACCINE / PARVO VACCINE TITERS Send 1 ml of separated serum $33.00 CBC, Differential & Superchem (includes Liver Enzymes) (SA020) Send 1 mL whole blood in lavender-top tube (EDTA) AND 1.5 mL separated serum. Include ice pack when shipping for whole blood, but do not freeze sample. (SuperChem only (no CBC or Diff.) SA010 $45.00) $49.00 RABIES TITER #S16685 Send 1.5 ml of separated serum in red top or plastic tube Note: 10 - 20 Days Processing Time $73.00 HEARTWORM TITER #T615 Send 0.5 ml of separated serum If added to any tests above $8.50 OTHER VACCINE TITERS (Call Hemopet 714-891-2022 for information) OTHER TESTS (Call Hemopet 714-891-2022 for information) Reminder: These lab profiles are being offered as part of a collaborative research project on thyroid, metabolism, behavioral and seizure disorders. Special prices have been assigned to these tests. Your veterinarian will charge an additional amount to cover drawing blood, preparing the blood, record keeping and overhead. Please respect their needs. Please prepare the specimen according to the directions for each test. Pack vial(s) in a small sturdy cardboard box with padding to cushion vial(s), and ship via Post Office Express mail or Federal Express next afternoon to: W. Jean Dodds, DVM Hemopet 11330 Markon Drive Garden Grove, CA. 92841 Hemopet, a non-profit organization, will submit the samples to a qualified reference lab for analysis. Dr. Dodds will interpret the results and provide written interpretation and recommendations to your vet. Dr. Dodds can be reached from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM Pacific Time, at the following numbers: Day of Week Phone Fax Monday, Tuesday and Friday 310-828-4804 310-828-8251 Wednesday and Thursday 714-891-2022 714-891-2123 Here is the site to http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-...m/site_map.htm I hope this help you...I be thinking of you and your baby... Sherry

10-06-2005, 05:41 PM	#21
Beachitmom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 72	Thank you, Sherry. Is scooter still around? Did the seizures stop altogether with the meds? Maria

10-06-2005, 05:58 PM	#22
yorkiegirl2 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,394	As far as I know he is seizure free. Scooter was 5 1/2 month old when I got him..I bought him for a breeder. I had him 2 month when the seizures started. I spent 500 to get him lined out and then placed him with a DR. and his wife who is a nurse. The royal canine food has me wondering, because that was what Scooter was on too. And the seizures stopped when I took him off it. I change him to puppy chow. So I don't know if it was the meds or stopping the food too that helped. The valium never seem to help or stop the seizure. His liver test came out fine no liver shunt...Sherry

10-06-2005, 06:18 PM	#23
Beachitmom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern NJ Posts: 72	Roxy had her first seizures when she was four months old. She was staying with my sister in law. She was not eating Royal Canin at that time, so I do not think it is the food. Also, she has been eating that food for a while now and the first time I ever saw her have a seizure was last night. I will mention it to the vet tomorrow though. If there is any chance that the food causes it, I will change her food.

10-06-2005, 08:08 PM	#26
YorkieLady BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Muscle Shoals Posts: 361	I am so sorry to hear about your dog. My little chihuahua had one seizure a few weeks ago, and I'm still not over it. It totally freaked me out. I thought she was going to die. I'll be keeping the both of you in my thoughts and prayers and hope you find out what's causing them. Bless your hearts.

10-06-2005, 09:00 PM	#28
chechinmipo No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 2,260	OMG! What an ordeal. I hope this comes to an end soon for both you and your baby with the best possible outcome for you both.

10-06-2005, 09:32 PM	#29
YorkieShadow BANNED! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 9,999	Im so sorry to hear about your babie. It must be so hard on both of you. I will keep your babie in my prayers.

10-06-2005, 10:01 PM	#30
Breeze Puppy Luv Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,678	My heart goes out to you and Roxy, sending healing vibes her way and hugs for you.